Feb. 2, 1895. 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
93 
Bronx River Gun Club- 
West Farms, 1ST. Y., Jan. 26.— The Bronx River Gun Club 
held its regular monthly shoot at targets this afternoon. The 
class A medal was. won by B. G. Loomis; in class B, H. Fen- 
sterer and W. L. Hall tied with 12 each, Fensterer winning on 
the shoot off; M. Lipps won the medal in class C. The next club 
shoot takes place Feb. 9, at live birds. 
Club Shoot for Medals, 25 Targets per Man. 
Loomis, B. G. 1101111111011110011111001—19 
White, C 001 0011000] 001 011 11101111— 14 
Adams, Dr. J. P 0110111001100110001111101-15 
Brown, W. S 11 000001001 11000100111110-12 
Dnane, Jas 0001 110101101100011100000—11 
Fensterer, H 1101011000010110011001001—12 
Hall, W. L 0011011001100001011100101—12 
Dittamr, C. H 0000100100010000101000000— 5 
Cathcart, H 0110010111101000001000001—10 
Lipps, Martin 1010111100110010011001001— 13 
Cruger, Bertram OOOllOlllOOOOlOOOlOOOOOOO— 7 
The following live bird sweeps, 5 birds, $3, were also decided: 
No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. 
Loomis, B. G 11111— 5 21101—4 20013—4 
White, C 20021—3 11 200— 3 11110-4 
Hall, W. L . .22101--4 121 11— 5 21120—3 
Pero, R. ft 21002—3 00121—3 20210—3 
Knapp, A. D 01201—3 10221—4 12002-2 
Kendall. C.S 10210—3 01010—3 
Cathcart, H 11002—3 
John T. Murphy, Secretary. 
Union Gun Club's Tournament. 
Tbe Union Gun Club, of Springfield, N. J., held a two days' 
tournament January 22 and 23 at its grounds near Springfield. 
Various causes militated against a large entry list, but those 
present had a good time. On the second clay the wind blew 
almost a gale, making the targets at times very erratic in flight. 
Scores of both davs ! 
FIRST DAY. 
No. 1, 10 Empires, $1.00: Sigler 7, Miller 8, Thomas 6, Hoff- 
man 7, Drake 9 Hebbard 9, Jackson 7. 
No. 2, 10 Empires, -11,00: Sigler 8, Miller 10, Thomas 7, Hoff- 
man 9, Drake 10, Hibbard 8, Jackson 8. 
No 3, 15 Empires. $1.50: 
Sigler 111111111 11U11— 15 Hebbard ,..111010011101111—11 
Miller 111111011111111—14 Drake 111111111111100—13 
Thomas 110011111101110—11 Jackson .... 1 11111110110101— 12 
Hoffman. . ..101011010111111— 11 
No. 4, 10 Empires, unknown angles, $1.00: Thomas 7, Drake 8, 
Hoffmau 10, Lindsley 6, Vandyke 7, Sigler 7, Miller 9, Jack- 
son 5 Chase 5. 
No. 5. 20 Empires. $2,00 : 
Vandyke ! . . .11111111111111111011—18 
Drake 11111111110011111110—17 
Hoffman 11 Lll 110011111111111— 18 
Sigler 11111111110111111111—19 
Miller. 11 11101111111111 1111—19 
Hebbard 11110011011011111111—16 
Jackson ; 11011111110011011111—16 
No. 6, 15 empires, unknown angles, SI. 50: 
Van Dyke.. 11111111 1111111— 15 Miller 111010110101111—11 
Drake 111101111111111-14 Thomas ... .010111110111011 -11 
Hoffman. ...011011111101111—12 Lindsley ... 110011001111111— 11 
Sigler 111111111101100—12 Jackson ... .011111011111111— 13 
No. 7, 15 Empires, §1.50: Vandyke 13, Drake 14, Seigler 13, 
Lindsley 9, Miller 12, Hoffman 13, Jackson 9, Hibbard in, 
Thomas 9. 
No. 8, 15 Empires, unknown angles, $1.50: Van Dyke 13, 
Sigler 10, Drake 13, Miller 14, Hoffman 14, Hibbard 9, Jack- 
son 13. Lindsley 12, Thomas 11. 
No. 9, 20 Empires, $2.00: 
Sigler ..' 11111111111111111111—20 
Miller 01111011111111111110—17 
■ Drake 11111 HID 1111101111—19 
Hoffman 11111110011111111111-18 
Van Dyke 111111111 11111110111—19 
Lindsley 1111111111010111111.1—18 
Jackson , 11111101011111101111—17 
Thomas . .11010111011011100111—14 
No. 10, 10 Empires $1.00: Sigler 9, Miller 8, Drake 10, Hoff- 
man 10, Van Dyke 10, Liudslev 7, Jackson 9. 
Match, Van Dyke vs. Hoffman, 25 targets, $2.00 a side; loser 
to pay for targets. 
Van Dyke 1111111101100111111111111—22 
Hoffman 1111111111111111111111101-24 
SECOND DAY . 
No. 1, 10 Empires, $1,00: Hoffman 10. JacKson 7, Drake 6, 
Miller 8, E. Sickley 5. 
No. 2, 10 Empires, $1.00: ^Hoffman 9, Jackson 8, Drake 8, 
Mil ler 8, E. Sickley 8. ' 
No. 3, 15 Empires, unknown angles, $1.50: Hoffman 15, Jack- 
son 11, Drake 12, Miller 14, Sickley 13. 
No. 4 10 Empires, unknown angles, $1.00: Hoffman 10, Jack- 
son 10, Drake 6, Miller 10, Sickley 8. 
No. 5, 20 Empires, $2,00: 
£P,L er 11111111111111111111-20 
Hoffman 11111111011111111100—17 
Jackson 00111111111001111111—16 
Drake . 11111111101011111010—16 
Wi Uiams 11111100110011101011—14 
Woodruff lOOHH 1111111 110001-15 
^ a e er ■ • iiiiiiiioiioioioiin-16 
E. Sickley 01110101111111011101—15 
No. u 15 Empn-es, unknown angles, $1.50; Miller 13, Hoffman 
14, Jackson 13, Drake 13, Williams 11, Woodruff 10, Ea«-er 5, 
Sickley 14. ° ' 
No. 7, 25 Empires, uukuowu augles, $2.50: 
*f » 1 l er 1 011 11111111 11111111110101-22 
Hoffman 1111 0111111001 111110111111— 22 
'/a c k S0Q 01111010101111111111101101—20 
£j"?£ e 01111111111111101110111111-22 
W idiams 01111111111001111100111111—21 
Woodruff 1001111100111110010111] 100-17 
No 8, 15 Empires, unknown angles, $1.50: Miller 14, Hoffman 
12, Jackson 12, Drake 13, Williams 8,. Woodruff 11, Eaeer 8 
Sickley 12. ' & ' 
No. 9, 20 Empires, unknown angles, $2.00: 
filter 11101110111111111111—18 
Hoffman • 11111111101111111111—19 
Jackson 111001011111 11001110-14 
Drake 01111111100111100011—14 
William 11100111110010011011-14 
Woodruff 10110101011001110110—12 
E. a gf r 01101100001110001001— 9 
w e ?A \ - .V^' ■ ' •• 00111011111111001111-15 
No. 10, 10 Empires, unknown angles, $1.00: Miller 7, Hoff- 
man 9, Jackson fi, Drake 8, Wdliams 9. Woodruff 7, Eao-er 4 
Sickley 7. ° 1 
Some Suggestions Worth Noting. 
Massillojt, O., Jan. 12.— Editor Ftivest and Stream- With 
the last issue of Forest and Stream, I see that a long cherished 
dream is about to be realized. War has been declared I The 
enemy, Pooler, Dropper, Kicker Boor, etal., are already trem- 
bhng in their shoes. The call to arms, bearing the signatures 
ot honest, ardent sportsmen is the opening gun and the battle 
will be short and decisive. If the shooting public are what they 
ought to be, they will rally to the support of these gentlemen 
at once and help them to accomplish the desired end. There is 
something good to come out of the year 1895 after all. We are 
about to place trap shooting on its proper level, with kindred 
American sports. With the call for a convention of trap- 
shooters, such as you have just published, having such a com- 
mendable object in view, and backed by the signatures of 
men whose honesty of purpose is unquestioned, every trap- 
shooter in Amreica who has a drop of true honest blood in his 
heart, should offer up a benediction of thanks to Forest and 
Stream for its good work in bringing this about, and should do 
everything within his power to aid and assist the movement. 
I regret exceedingly that the meeting could not have been 
held at a point nearer the geographical centre of the trapshoot- 
ing world, for it is highly important in organizing bodies of a 
national character that all parts of the country should be well 
represented in order that unanimity of opinion maybe reached. 
I also join you in your expressed regret that the call does not 
contain the names of some of our well-known Western 
shooters, but while I, like many others, will find it impossible 
to be with you in person at the convention, I feel sure that the 
Western element is thoroughly in accord with the Eastern and 
Southern geutlemen who have signed the call, and are satisfied 
to await the final outcome of the meeting, safe iu the assurance 
that the undertaking is iu excellent hands. 
While you are about it, gentlemen, do not stop at a simple 
house-cleaning of the sport, which will do away with dirty 
work at the traps, but go farther and establish a national 
organization of trap shooters which will give us a clean fra- 
ternal organization which gentlemen will be glad to join. I 
would respectfully urge upon the meeting the desirability or 
considering a plan of organization somewhat similar to that of 
the American Wheelmen, as suggested by "National League," 
in a recent issue of this paper. I have been a member of that 
body for many years, during which time I have held a number of 
its important offices, amoug them chairman of its racing board, 
and am somewhat familiar with the work of the organization 
and its most excellent results. It is to-day the largest amateur 
athletic body in the world, and its growth and popularity is 
phenomenal, which fact proves conclusively that its rules and 
their rigid enforcement are sound in every particular, and 
while, of course, it will be necessary to make many changes in 
the constitution aud by-laws, in order to make it fit trapshoot- 
ing, I think a careful examination of its general make-up will 
reveal many important ideas which will be of great benefit to 
the proposed trap-shooter's league. Especial consideration 
should be given to the rules of the L. A. W. racing board. 
Through this board the cycle racing of the entire country is 
• controlled. Iu their hand lies the fate of any man who is 
guilty of violation of the rules aud the prompt manner in which 
these rules are enforced has made bicycle racing one of the 
cleanest and most successful sports in the world, and it is to-day 
eutirely free from foul play, underhand, ungentlemanly 
attributes. Trap-shooting can be made as clean, and the new 
organization intends to make it so. 
There is no doubt in my mind about the fact that consider- 
able questionable work is done at most of our tournaments, but 
it strikes me Mi-. Hough's ideas of the sport are very 
largely overdrawn. If we have been associating at tourna- 
ments all these years with touts, cutthroats, ringers, confidence 
men, etc., etc, etc., as he claims, it is a wonder that we have 
not all been contaminated, and that we are allowed to live in 
decent communities. If our wives ever get a peep at his article, 
we will all have to sell our guns, or confine ourselves to field 
shooting. I sincerely hope that the meeting will be well 
attended, and that by this time next month the new organiza- 
tion will be an established fact. 
Geo. S. Atwater, Tuscarora G. C. 
be completely enthralled with her part. The last scene in 
which she appears with her trained horse and a small pack of 
fox hounds, is vary effective." In addition to appearing on the 
stage in Hereford, Miss Oakley has been giving the Britishers a 
taste of what she can do behind a flying pack of hounds over 
the stiff country that is met with in Herefordshire. 
Kelley Gun Club's Tournament 
Des Moines, la., January 17.— Enclosed please find scores made 
3^esterday at the tournament of the Kelley, Iowa, Gun Club. 
The weather was cold and blustery, the scores, in consequence 
of the weather and lack of practice, being by no means good 
ones. Among those present were Grubben, Peterson and 
Hamaker, of Randall; Hicks, Milner, Kirshaw, Whitney and 
Budd, of Des Moines. Scores: 
No. 1, 10 targets. $1.00: Hamaker 6, Williams 9, Gray 3, 
Swede 10, Freese 8, Gubben 7. 
No. 2, 15 targets, $1.50: Gubben 13, Hamaker 12, Williams 13, 
Freese 12, Sweede 12. 
No. 3. 10 targets, $1,25: Hamaker 8, Milner '7, Williams 5, 
Grubben 8, Budd 6, Hicks 8, Sweede 8, Freese 8, Kirsher 8. 
No. 4, 5 pairs, $1.50: 
Milner 11 11 11 10 10— 8 Freese 11 11 10 11 10— 8 
Bndd 11 11 11 10 10— 8 Grubben ... .11 11 11 11 11—10 
Hamaker. . . .00 11 00 10 10— 4 Hicks 11 10 10 11 10— 7 
No. 5, 15 targets, $1.50 
Budd 111011111101101 12 Williams.. .011100111101101 10 
Freese 111111110111111 14 Kirsher 111100101010111 10 
Milner 011111101111111 13 Hicks 001111110110110 10 
Hamaker. ..111101011010111 11 Grubben. ...001111111111111 13 
S weed 110011011101111 11 
No. 6, 8 live birds, $5: 
Budd 21221222—8 Milner 20122220—6 
Grubben 20122222—7 Hicks 21202222—7 
Kirsher 11121010—6 Freese 02202020-4 
Williams 00021200—3 
No. 7, 10 targets, §1.25: Budd 9, Freese 6, Miller 10, Hamaker 
10, Grubben S, Williams 7, Hicks 6, Kirsher 8, Sweede 9. 
No. 8, 7 singles and 4 pairs, $125: 
Budd 1101111 11 11 11 10—13 
Freese 1111111 11 11 10 11—14 
Hamaker 1010100 11 11 11 11—11 
Grubben 1111011 11 11 11 11—14 
Milner 1110101 11 10 10 11—11 
Kirsher 0011111 11,10 11 11—12 
No. 9, 15 targetSj expert rules : 
Freese 111111101011110—12 Grubben. ...111111101111011—13 
Hamaker... 110111110001010— 9 Kirsher. ...000200000001100— 5 
Budd 101011110111011—11 Milner...... 111101101011010 -10 
No. 10, 10 live birds, $5: 
Budd 2102102221—7 Williams 0222020220—6 
Kirsher 2221011112—9 Milner 0222222202—8 
Freese 2022202022—8 Hamaker 1202000202—5 
Gubben 0221222122—9 Hicks 2022020111—7 
No. 11, 10 targets, $1.00: Freese 9, Hicks 7, Alfred 7, Hamaker 
7, Milner 6, Budd 7, Kirsher 9, Martin 3, Grubben 8, Sweede 10. 
No.12. 12 targets, §1.25: Freese 12, HamaKer 8, Budd 11, Milner 
11, Grubben 11, Hicks 9, Martin 5, Sweede 7 Kirsher 10. 
No. 13, 15 targets, §1.50: Freese 14, Hamaker 11, Milner 15, 
Budd 13, Grubben 14, Williams 10, Alfred 11, Kirsher 14, 
Sweede 10. 
No. 14, 10 targets, $1.00: Freese 9, Hicks 7, Budd 10, Martin 
3, Hamaker 6, Grubben 9, Milner 9. Kirsher 10, Williams 7. 
No. 15, 15 targets, $1.25: Freese 11, Budd 13, Grubben 14, Mil- 
ner 14, Grey 10, Kirsher, 11. C. W. BUDD 
Cos Cob Gets Even. 
Rye, N. Y., Jan. 19. — The postponed shoot of the Cos Cob and 
Rye gun clubs was shot at Cos Cob January 17. About twenty 
five friends of the Rye Club attended to witness the sad def ea" 
of our boys by the score of 128 to 79. The unusually poor shoott 
ing of the members cannot be accounted for, or excuses given 
as the grounds, traps, targets, etc., were all that could be desired 
The shooting, in general, was far from the club's average,, 
Mr. Bulkley being the only local shooter to make a favorable 
score. The "boys" are not discouraged, but take their defeat 
kindly, and are auxiously awaiting the third shoot of this series. 
This will occur on the Rye Club's grounds during the latter part 
of January. They will then endeavor to "load up" once more. 
Team race. 9 men teams, 25 targets each. 
Cos Cob Gun Club. 
Wood 0111111101001111101111011—19 
Chard ..001100U1101 1011001010000 -12 
Beck 011011 101011 0101111010000—14 
Kalb 10101010010100111010101.01—13 
Lockwood 0100111010111111110001101—16 
Cummings 1111101101000000110101010—13 
W. Sanger 01000111100010010011110100113 
Hotfiugton 000011010101001 1 101010000—10 
W. C. Sanger 1111100111100100101111111—18 
128 
Rye Gun Club. 
Raymond 0011001000100010001000110— 8 
Racer ; 0000001011001001010010100— 8 
Mooney 1001000100001000000000UOO— 4 
Ferguson 0000010101011001100010001— 9 
Gedney 0010010010100111100111000—11 
Moller 1101011000101000000010000— 8 
Bulkley 1110010111111111101010110—18 
Graham 0100010100001001000000000- 5 
Budd 0010000000100010111100001— 8 
79 
E. J. POPE, Secretary. 
The Question of Handicapping. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
I have been watching your columns with additional interest 
since the crusade against modern methods of trap-shooting has 
opened, and have read all the various trains of thought sug- 
gested by various gentlemen, all interested in the assassination 
of the "combines ' and "droppers" and other malodorous at- 
tachments to a tournament of the day, and the possible but ex- 
tremely improbable equalization of two unequal things — i.e., the 
expert aud the so-called amateur. 
The extinction of the gambling element seems to me an easy 
task at all large tournaments if the management get down to 
business aud stick. No man of a dozen I know will shoot crooked 
so long as every one else goes straight; but it is against numan 
nature to have the ability .to place one's self where there is most 
money and not do it, where it is the rule and not the exception 
for every one to do the same thing. 
The result of the Memphis and Knoxville tournaments will be 
looked for by hundreds who long for genuine sport at the traps. 
Agreeing that such drawbacks can be removed, there remains 
what, to me, seems an insuperable obstacle, viz., equalizing two 
opposing elements in a tournament— the expert and the ama- 
teur. By expert we mean the man who goes from one tourna- 
ment to another either as the accredited representative of some 
firm or sufficiently expert to render it a means of at least win- 
ning expenses; by amateur we mean the man who shoots in a 
desultory sort of way, perhaps once a week, certainlynot oftener 
than twice; he is used to a quiei shoot, the pools, if any, are 
small, the competition not great, and his scores range up in the 
nineties. 
This man goes out to a tournament where the conditions are 
totally different to any he is acquainted with, and he is a loser. 
He kicks then, and wants the expert handicapped to his class. 
Why? To make the expert a loser and himself a winner. 
Now, I am an amateur myself , and yet, honestly, I cannot see 
why any man who, by reason of ability or practice, becomes an 
expert should be handicapped to place him on a level with others 
who are unable to get into his class. But how is it possible, 
without being unfair to the expert, to adopt a method where each 
will be able to shoot on a plane of equality? To me it seems like 
trying to mix oil and water. Any one of a dozen schemes to 
thus handicap the expert seem to be plausible ; but is it a fair 
thing to do? 
It seems to me that the plan of hiring an expert to show off 
sporting goods and entering him in the events of a tournament 
on the same level as the man who puts up his own money is not 
fair to the amateur. It seems to me that these paid experts 
would be just as larged-sized advertising cards if they were 
present at the tournament as exhibition shooters and not as 
competitors, especially as the manulacturers are themselves not 
only profiting by the enormous sales of guns and ammunition 
stimulated by tournaments. They are not only reaping the har- 
vest from their sales, but getting their expenses of advertising 
back from the winnings of their paid expert advertisers. 
The general equality of amateurs is more nearly equal ; few 
of the many who attend our tournaments have more advantages 
for practice than others, hence it seems to me that this question 
hinges upon the admission as competitors in the pools of paid 
experts, and a proper method of handicapping amateurs. 
If men tell the truth, all they want to do at a tournament is 
to come out square; if this is true, winners of first money in 
any one event have no business in the class in which they 
woa, certainly until they fail to win either first, second or 
third in another class, but placing them up with experts whose 
whole time and sole business it is to win handicaps them too 
severely. 
The fact is that just so long as money is the attraction to 
our tournaments, just so long the losers will be calling for h an- 
dicaps. It has been my experience that no winner has ever 
been heard to want anything better than the game at which he 
wins, and until some scheme is evolved wherein the entrance 
money cuts but a small figure in the possible amount a man 
can win just so long will trap-shooters be anxiously looking 
for a plan whereby a 60 per cent, man can win from a 90 per- 
cent. Sam'l J. Foet, M.D. 
Ellicott City, Md. 
Annie Oakley On the Stage. 
Miss Annie Oakley, who is now starring in "Miss Rora," in 
all the principal cities and towns of Great Britain, is making 
quite a hit according to reports received from her. The follow- 
ing is clipped from a long notice which she received in a Here- 
ford (England) daily: "Miss Annie Oakley's abilities as a shot 
are equally well-known in England and America, and in the 
first act she entertains the audience with a remarkable per- 
formance in this direction, proving herself to possess almost 
dexterous aud unswerving aim. She is also a lithesome actress, 
and sustains the role of Rora with much vivacity, seeming to 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
A new gun club has been organized under ti e title of the Hol- 
ley (N. -Y. ) Gun Club. Its officers are: President, B. B. At- 
kins; Vice-President, C. Frank Bennett; Secretary, A. G. South- 
worth; Treasurer. Floyd Storms: Shooting Master, Dayton F. 
Groves; Executive Committee, B. B. Atkins, A. G. Southworth 
and Edward Peck. 
The officers of the Pittsburg (Pa.) Gun Club for 1895 are: 
President, George B.. Painter; Vice President, Samuel Shaner; 
Secretary-Treasurer, E. E. Shaner; E. E. Shaner; "Old Hoss' 
and "Jim Crow" form the Board of Directors. 
The Kensington Gun Club, of Philadelphia, Pa., has elected 
its officers for 1895 as follows: President, J. F. SchaufEele; Vice- 
President, J. Link; Secretary, R. Walters; Treasurer, C. Bau- 
niann; Field Captain, T. Doell; Official Scorer, F. Guenther. 
