March 16, 1895. 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
219 
There should be no difficulty in understanding and applying 
this formula to any case." 
The formula, and the woreing of it, is extremely easy to get 
at. The only point that appai - ently needs any further explana- 
tion is how to arrive at the relative number of points for each 
prize. Tnis is just as simple as the rest of it and is as follows: 
Where there are two moneys under the present system, the 
proportions are 60 and 40 per cent; under the "straight out" 
system the points are 6 to each man in first money and 4 
to each man in second money. Three moneys: Preseut system, 
50, 30 and 30 per cent; "Straight out" system, relative number 
of points are 5 to each man in first money, 3 to each man in 
second, and 2 to each man in third. The same principle applies 
to four- moneys, or any number of moneys you choose to 
divide the purse into. 
The following examples will show where the "straight out" 
system comes in, ana where it is so powerful an agent in keep- 
ing shooters from dropping: 1. First sweep at Elizabeth, N. J., 
tournament, Feb. 28, 1895; 7 birds, $5, birds included, 50, 30 
and 20 per cent., 5 entries: three men kill 7, one kills 6 and one 
kills 4. Under the present system, the three first men divide 
$7.75— $2.58. 1-3 each; second man scoops in $4.65 because he 
was the only one who missed one bird, while third money, 
$3.10, i. e., 51 2-3 cents more than each of the first men received, 
goes to a man who couldn't kill 60 per cent. ! 
Undet the suggested system, the shooters would receive as 
follows: Straight scores pay $3.85 each; second men get $2.34; 
third men, $1.56. 2. Second event, same day; 10 birds, $5, 
birds included, 11 entries, 3 moneys in same proportion. The 
result shows four straights, one 9 and four eights. Under pres- 
ent system the straights received $3.15 eacb; the 9 got $7.55, 
while the four men in the third money split up $5.05, about 
$1.26 each. "Straight out" system: Straights paid $4.05 each; 
9 was worth $2.43, while the men with 8 each received $1.62. 
Suppose (as was actually the case) that the last man to shoot 
had nine straight when he went to the score for his last bird, 
and that the score showed three straights and only one nine! 
Quite a temptation to miss the last bird under the present sys- 
tem? Had he missed that bird his proportion of the purse 
would have been nearly 20 per cent, greater than if he had 
killed outright. A drop of the 10th bird under the "Straight 
out" system would have resulted in a 35 per cent, decrease in 
his share of the pot! Is any further argument or any further 
example needed? Take copies of Forest and Stream and work 
out similiar cases. In the above two cases the purses were un- 
usually small; the difference in the two systems will be found 
much more marked of course in target races with a large 
number of entries, and in live bird races where birds are extra 
and entrance moneys are proportionate. 
There is, so far as we can judge, not a shadow of a doubt as 
to the efficiency of the "straight out" system to put an end to 
dropping. It is said that there are exceptions to every rule; 
but the opportunity occurs so seldom that it can be brushed on 
one side. The only case which we can find at present is the 
following suppositious case: A 15 target race is being shot and 
there are two men straight up to the end of the 14th round; the 
nearest man to them cannot make better than 13 if he breaks 
his last target. Under the "straight out" system there is a 
solid money consideration for each man in favor of breaking 
15, unless these two are "pooling" or combining. This com- 
bination of circumstances would be of so rare an occurrence 
that it really needs no attention. It must be remembered that 
both poolers would have to "keep tab" while the event was 
actually being shot, with themselves as members of the squad 
perhaps; in order to reap the benefit that would accrue from 
his dropping his last target. 
Tuis system, "Straight out" or whatever you choose to call it, 
is therefore suggested as one well worth looking into. It may 
have been propounded before, but if so we have no recollection 
of it, and can find no record of it Will not some gun club try 
the system at its club shoots, and let Forest and Stream readers 
know what they think of the system from actual experience? 
There is one point which should be touched upon before quitting 
the subject: It has been objected to by one shooter that the 
"Straight out" system does away with all chance of a man 
making a scoop by happening to hit first, second or 
third place alone. The very fact that it does do away 
with this chance is, in our opinion, its strongest point, as it 
thereby does away with all inducements for "dropping for 
place." 
Trap-Shooting in Iowa. 
Davenport, Iowa, Feb. 22. — The fourteenth annual tourna- 
ment of the Forester Gun Club closed to-day. The attendance 
was not as large as usual, but those who were on hand had a 
very pleasant time, the weather being warm. Among those 
in attendance were: C. M. Grimm, Clear Lake; H. J. Wilson, 
Emmettsburg; S. A. Tucker, Davenport; Tom Marshall, John 
Read, Omaha; Huckins, of Kewanee; W. "Tramp" Irwin and 
Gas Walpert, of Peoria, 
On Wedneesday, W. T. Irwin and R. B. Cook shot a match 
at 100 targets from five unknown traps for a purse of $50 a side, 
Cook winning by 4 targets, scoring 80 to Irwin's 76. On Friday 
Dr. Carver and C. A. Budd shot the third match of their series, 
Dr. Carver winning quite easily. The score was S9-77 in favor 
of Carver. Budd was in poor form and out of luck in drawing 
biids. On Wednesday evening Mr. Cook entertained a number 
of the visiting sportsmen at his home, the evening being much 
enjoyed by all present. The programme stated that dropping 
for place would not be tolerated, and during the three days this 
rule was not broken; not a target or bird was dropped inten- 
tionally. The targets were shot from five traps,, walk around, 
known traps and unknown angles. All ties were divided, with 
one or two exceptions. The following tables give the results of 
the programme events during the three days of the tourna- 
ment: 
No. Events: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 
No. targets: 10 15 15 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 20 10 10 15 10 20 
Cook 7 14 13 9 . . 7 . . 7 6 . . 8 16 8 4 10 7 13 
Read 4 11 3 5 3 
Huckins.... 4 8 11.. 7.. 5 8 7.. 7.. 
Wilson 8 11 12 9 7 ... . 8 3..., 8 
W Bolten'rn 7 14 10 13 
Budd 8 9 10 10 10 ... . 6 5 9 4 13 
Walpert.... 4 5 10.. 8.. 8.. 5 7.. 8 
Gilbert 7 13 10 11 
Tramp 8 11 6 9 .... 10 .. 12 
V Bolten'rn 8 11 11 
Samuelson .. 8 
H Adams. .. 5.. .. 5 5 
Shado 8 
Cosey 6 
Lewis 7 
Davis 
Grimm 
W Clark .... 
Marshall 11 
Smith 
3 
9 
7 7 8 
7 .. .. 
5 5 14 
8 14 
5 .. 
6 13 
6 14 
5 8 
9 
v 
3 
12 1L 
7 9 
12 13 
.. 7 
8 9 6 
7 
16 
5 ... 
.. 6 
8 11 
. 12 
8 16 
10 is "8 16 
0 16 
8 . . 7 7 9 
... 5 6 3.. 9 
... 7 7 9 5 7 
.... .... jji! ... ... :/;*5» 
Hawkins 13 10 7 11 
H Bolten'rn 4 5 .. .. 
Miller 6 
Mudd 4 10 .. .. 
Conrad 11 7 9 
"Williams 9 4 . . 
Booth .. 6 5 ,. 
Borcherdt 6 . . 
Maser. 6 
Stone 8 
1 2 
7 10 
5 
8 
8 
3 
4 5 
6 8 
8 9 
5 15 
4 1 
Nos. 1 to 11 were shot during first day's programme; Nos. 12, 
13 and 14 on the second day, and Nos. 15, 16 and 17 on the third 
day. 
The following are the scores in the live bird events: 
No. of Events: 
No. of Live birds J 
Cook 6 10 
Read 7 
Wilson 7 
Boltenstern 7 
Budd 7 
Walpert 7 
Lewis 6 
V Boltenstern 5 
Samuelson 6 
Grimm 5 10 
Gilbert 7 10 
Huckins 
Davis 
Clark... 
Marshall , 10 5 
Gilman 7 5 
Shado 6 
Irwin 4 
Hawkins 
Carver 
Conrad 
Murphy 
Mudd ;., 
Events 1-5 were shot on the first day; 6-8 on the second day, 
and No. 9 on the third day. Entrance moneys as follows: Nos. 
1 and 9, $5 No. 2, $7; No. 3, $4; No. 4, miss and out, $2, 13 
entries; No. 5 and 7, $5; No. 6, $6; No. 8, $3. C. W. BUDD. 
8 
8 
7 
9 
6 
6 
5 
5 
6 
4 
6 
3 
5 
5 
5 
4 
2 
1 
3 
2 
1 
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10 
2 
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7 
7 
8 
8 
8 
7 
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6 
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New York County Gun Club. 
The first March shoot of the New York County Gun Club 
was held at Rockaway Park,- L. I., on March 4, Only a few 
members were present, the weather in the ea'-ly part of the 
day being decidedly uninviting. Altogether 1,055 targets were 
thrown from the three trap*, the scores beinp- given in the table 
below. The percentages are surprizingly low, but then the 
New York County men throw targets at very acute angles, and 
as far as possible, making the shooting extremely difficult, and 
straights something unusual. Schorty led with 76 per cent • 
Wash, 73; Scott, 69; Place, 67, and Edwards, 55. The varied 
nature of the programme may be judged from the note which 
follows the table of scores. 
No. of events: 12 3 4 
No. of targets: 
6 7 8 9 10 11 
4 
3 
7 
8 
7 
10 15 15 20 15 25 30 20 25 10 10 
Schorty 7 13 13 12 13 18 21 18 22 
Scofct 7 12 12 13 13 17 19 14 17 
Edwards 6 7 8 12 10 15 14 11 13 
Wash 5 10 12 13 10 22 25 13 18 
Place ,. 8 13 11 14 9 14 14 15 19 
Kelly 6 1 5 .. 
Heyer 4 . . , 
Stoney 10 8 .. .. " .'. \' t '9 " .] 
Tiernan 21 '4. 
Nos.l, 2 and 3 were known angles; No. 4, 10 pairs; Nos. 5 and 
6, expert rules; No. 7, 10 at known angles, 10 at expert rules, 
aud 5 pau-s; No. 8, 10 known angles and 10 at expert rules; No. 
9, 15 known and 10 expert; Nos. 10 and 11, walking matches, 
use of both barrels. SHAD ROE 
Keystone Gun Club. 
Buffalo, N. Y., March 4.— The scores given below were made 
by the members of the Keystone Gun Club, of this city, on the 
club's Grounds at South Side. No. 1 was the regular club 
shoot at 15 singles and 5 pairs. Scores: 
No. 1: 
m es r? ond 1111111111111111111101111-24 
W Sully 1101111111111111101111101—22 
f Kinney 1111111101111100111101110-20 
M Duggan 1011111111111110111100111—21 
S Duley 1111110111011110101111111—21 
J Carlough 0111110111111110101101001-18 
J McBo wall 0101111111101110 1110 10100—17 
G Sulley 0000000111111100111111111—16 
J Parker 11011111111111111111111110— 23 
E Inderbitzer , 11111111111001101110010011—18 
J $™ r Y ...01111111110110110110110110—18 
O V Samson 11101111111111111010101010—19 
M Joyce 01111111111111101100110110—19 
A Robbins 11110111011111110111110100—19 
J Duggan 11111111111111111010110100—20 
No. 2, 10 targets: 
W Sully . .1111111101— 9 
Daley 1011101110— 7 
Kinney 1011111110— 8 
Duggan 1100111010- 6 
Inderbitzen 0101011111— 7 
Avery 1000111001— 5 
Quinn 1100101111— 7 
Parker 1011111111— 9 
E Esmond 1111111111—10 
Samson 1100111111— 8 
F. D. KINNEY, Sec'y. 
Nebraska Trap Notes. 
Omaha, Neb., March 2.— There was an interesting live bird 
team shoot on the Bemis Park Club grounds this afternoon be- 
tween Parmelee Blake and Smead on one side, and Read 
Loomis and Peters on the other, 15 birds to the man, 33 yards 
rise, 50 boundary, for the price of the birds. The weather was 
beautiful, but the shooting was poor. Score: 
Blake 21222112*222*1*2201121011—20 
Smead 01*1*0111001221110222200—15 
Parmelee 1211111212120101202122222-22—57 
Peters 01*00110101210112111 21122—18 
Loomis .12*1112012102221020211220-19 
R ead **2000101021 1022101211020— 14-51 
SANDY GRISWOLD. 
Lynchburg Gun Club- 
Lynchburg, Va., March 7.— Some time ago, Uncle Watt (W. 
L. Moorman), one of the heavy weights of the gun club con- 
ceived the idea of determining which of the club's No. l'team 
was the best man. His idea was brought to a focus to-day. 
The old man furnished the ammunition and umpired the shoot 
to his and everybody's entire satisfaction. The shells were all 
loaded exactly alike, he having taken a notion that it was 
altogether the shells and the loading that did the work, the 
man and gun being a secondary consideration. From the way 
the boys shot out the experiment leads one to believe Uncle 
Watt's idea was not far out of the way in this particular 
event, the six men making an average of 82 per cent. Paul 
North was in town and joined the boys in the shooc. Below 
find scores : 
No. 1, 25 targets, unknown angles: 
Nelson 1111111101111111111110111—23 
Jerry 1011110111111111111111111—23 
Dornin 1111111111111111101111011—24 
Cleland 1001011000111011101111011—16 
Empie 1111111111111111111111111—25 
Scott moil 1111111110011111111—22 
No. 2, same: 
Nelson 1111111111110111101110101—21 
Terry .1010111011111111011110111— 20 
Dornin 1111111111110111111111 111—24 
Cleland 1101011101111101110100011—17 
Empie 1111111111110111111111111 -24 
Scott 1101101011100010111101111—18 
No. 3, same : 
Nelson , 1111101111011010100111111—19 
Terry 1100111111111111111011111—22 
Dornin 0011111011100001010001111—15 
Cleland 0110011110101101 111101 101—18 
Empie 1111101111101001111111101—21 
Scott 1011111011101110111111010-19 
Paul North 1111011011101111110100011—18 
Moorman 1111110001001 1010011100111— 16 
No. 4, same: 
Nelson 1 110110000111001111111111—19 
Terry - .1111101111111101111111110-22 
Dornin 1111110111111110111111111—23 
Cleland 000011011 1001111111111111—19 
Empie , 0111110011110111111111110—20 
Scott 0011111110011111111011101—18 
Paul North 1111010101101111111110111—20 
Moorman 0111011111001000101111111—17 
No. 5, same: 
Paul North 1111110111101111110111111—22 
Nelson 1111110010101111111110011—19 
Moorman 1101000111001110111111110-17 
Cleland .0010101011110111000011101—14 
Berry 1000010001000000010011000— 6 
Dornin 1111111101111010111111111—21 
No. 6, 25 targets, unknown angles : 
North 1111011111110111111111101—22 
Dornin , 1111111111111111111111111—25 
Empie. 0010011011111111111111111—19 
Nelson 10U110001101111101110011— 17 
Scott 1100010111001011110101011—15 
No. 7, 10 targets, expert rules: North, Terry and Dornin, 7- 
Nelso and Empie, 3; Scott, 2. F. M. D. ' 
Emerald Gun Club. 
The Emerald Gun Club, of New York, held its annual meet- 
ing at 9 Madison street, this city, on the evening of March 7. 
The reports of the various officers and committees were very 
satisfactory, the club being found to be in excellent standing 
The membership list, limited to 50. is full, there being no 
vacancies. The following are the officers for the ensuing year- 
President, T. F. Russell; Vice-President, Gus Nowak; second 
Vice-President, N. Maesel ; Secretary, John Woelfel ; Re- 
cording Secretary, H. P Fessenden; Treasurer, J. H. MoDre. 
Col. J. H. Vo«s and Dr. G, V. Hudson were appointed members 
of the Executive Committee. 
The doings of the club during the past year were mentioned 
in the reports of the officers The committee which had charge 
of the big tournament last year made a report, showing that 
$275 had been netted by that tournament; 9,000 targets were 
thrown during the two days on which target events were shot. 
It will be remembered that the Empire City Handicap, 25 live 
birds per man, was one of the largest events of its kind held 
during the year, there being no less than 51 entries. In the 11 
club contests, shot between March '94 and March '95. 2.930 live 
birds were trapped; 2,161 were killed, showing a club average 
of nearly 74 per cent., an increase of about 5 per cent, over the 
previous year. The club's grounds are at Dexter Park, L I., 
where the first shoot of the '95 season will be held on March 19. 
The following table, compiled from the records of two or more 
shoots shows the standing of the members : 
Handicap. Birds. Birds. Per- Total 
Name and Class. Points, in yds. shot at. killed, cent. Points 
*F W Place, B 
J H Moore, B 
R. Regan, B 
S P Leveredge, A. . . 
M Herrington,' AA. , 
G V Hudson, M.D., 
E Doeinck, A A 
N Maesel, B 
T Cody, A 
G Nowak, A . . 
F Walters, AA 
O Bowen, A 
C Maesel, ] 
P Butz, A. 
.5 
25 
110 
91 
.827 
36 
.6 
25 
110 
91 
.827 
25 
25 
90 
72 
.800 
24 
28 
110 
86 
.782 
22 
25 
110 
67 
.609 
20 
..6 
30 
110 
93 
.845 
16 
30 
110 
93 
.845 
16 
6 
28 
100 
74 
.740 
16. 
..7 
30 
110 
92 
.836 
15 
M. 
28 
100 
77 
.770 
14>i 
.7 
30 
110 
90 
.818 
14 
6 
25 
110 
77 
.700 
14 
28 
110 
74 
.673 
14 
..7 
30 
60 
55 
.916 
13 
28 
100 
77 
.770 
ia« 
7 
28 
110 
83 
.755 
10 
7 
28 
90 
72 " 
.800 
10 
7 
28 
80 
63 
.788 
9 
.6 
28 
100 
59 
.590 
8 : 
.7 
30 
50 
39 
.780 
7 
7 
28 
40 
33 
.825 
7 
-5 
25 
70 
45 
.643 
7 
•M 
28 
60 
46 
.760 
? 
25 
TO 
33 
.550 
6 
28 
80 
58 
.725 
5 
25 
30 
23 
.767 
5 
30 
40 
32 
.800 
4 
.5)4 
25 J 
70 
37 
.536 
4 
28 
100 
57 
.570 
3^ 
7 
30 
40 
29 
.725 
3 
.5>5 
28 
50 
25 
.500 
3 
28 
30 
23 
.767 
3 
.7 
30 
20 
16 
.800 
2 
28 
20 
16 
.800 
2 
M F Lindsley. AA. . 
J H Richmond, A . . . 
* Place won the club's gold badge, set with emeralds and dia- 
monds; Moore won second prize— repeating gun; third prize, 
gold badge with emerald setting, R. Regan; fourth prize, gold 
locket, H. Thaw; fifth prize, silver berry dish, presented by Col, 
J. H. Voss, J. Woelfel; Col. Vbss, L. H. Schortmeier and S. P. 
Leveredge divided 6th, 7th and Sth prizes. HALF SHELL. 
Bronx River Gun Club. 
. West Farms, N. Y., Feb. 22.— To-day, Washington's Birth- 
day, the members of the Bronx River Gun Club held a shoot at 
their grounds at West Farms. Events at live birds and targets 
made up the programme for the day. Scores: 
WL 
A D Knapp . 
RRPero... 
S King 
H J C 
CH 
T J 
No. 5 was practically a match at 5 live birds, $3 entr 
tween u. White and "H. J. C," the latter winning by 
No. 1. 
No. 2. 
No. 3. 
No. 4. 
,11221—5 
11011—4 
02120-3 
22121—5 
.12222-5 
01010—2 
00202—2 
22212 -5 
.22200—3 
21000—2 
.00000—0 
01102—3 
11101—4 
22111—5 
.20212—4 
11210 -4 
.ion 1—4 
11010—3 
.02100—2 
20000—1 
20220—3 
21212—5 
.10001-2 
02210—3 
01220— 3_ 
00200—1 
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12220—4 
22012—4 
02022—3 
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.20112-4 
02201—3 
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.01100—2 
of 5-3. 
ance, be- 
winning by the score 
