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FOREST AND STREAM. 
March 30, 1895. 
lmwer§ io (^orrespandqnte* 
J. S., Stevens Point, Wis.— What is the difference, if any, in the 
shooting qualities of ten and twelve gauge guns, and which will 
have the most powerful effect?— Aus.: The ten guage shoots 
a heavier charge than the twelve, and other things being equal, 
has a larger killing circle. Ten gauges also, as a general thing, 
make better patterns with large sizes of shot than twelve gauges. 
There is little, if any, difference in penetration, however 
between the bores, 
J. B. S., Chestnut Hill. Pa.— Could you inform me in your col- 
umns, 1. If, according to Stoddard's map of the Adirondac.ks (1S94) 
there is a road coming out of Nehasane Park on its northern 
boundary 3 1-2 mi. air line W. from Mud Lake and running N. W. 
through Township 15, State Park, St. Lawrence Co., south of 
Benson Mines, twice crossing the headwaters of the Oswegatchie 
River before the latter reaches Cranberry Lake? 2. If this river 
(Oswegatchie) is navigable in the least extent for a light canoe 
between these two points of crossing? 3. Where I can find a map 
(survey or otherwise) showing the northern boundary of Nehasane 
Park from Mud Lake westward, also the country immediately to 
the north— map to be on a larger scale and more minute informa- 
tion than Stoddard's? 4. The address of any of the owners of the 
new Connell Preserve, immediately north of Nehasane, as shown 
in your issue of Dec. 22, 1894, but not marked in Stoddard's last 
publ cation? Ans.: 1. There is an unimproved road or trail 
marked on the map substantially as described. 2. There are falls 
on the river, and while we have no exact information, we hardly 
thiuk you would find it navigable between the points named. 
Write to the New York Forestry Commission for their large may 
4. The tract is owned by Mr. D. C. Connell, of New York City. 
Time to Think About It. 
What you and I had better do, after this very unsatisfactory 
winter moping around home here, is to go down, or tip, to Vir- 
ginia and West Virginia, and have a real, bona fide outing. I 
think I can find that old sportsman. He is not so old but he has 
full knowledge of all the new-fangled fishing-tackle and shooting- 
irons that we use nowadays. He knows all about Virginia and 
West Virginia. The hills and gorges and defiles are rilled with 
game this vear more than ever before. So I hear. Partridge, 
wild turkey, grouse, pheasant, wild pigeon, quail, rabbit and 
squirrel are so plenty that they are running and flying all over 
one another in the narrow passes. Then, if we want real, live 
sport, w r e can go back thirty or forty miles from the railroad 
track and hunt deer and b'ar. 
But we must keep out of trouble with the game laws. Every 
true sportsman does that, of cour.se; not for fear of the law, but 
on the ground that game is entitled to a chance to increase and 
multiply on the face of the earth, same as— well— never mind 
that. What I was going to say is that I have precise directions 
about all that, in Virginia and West Virginia. My friend. Charles 
O. Scull, chief of the Passenger Department of the Baltimore and 
Ohio Railroad, Baltimore. Md., has just sent me a neat little leaflet 
telling how to get there— all about the close seasons for game and 
fish. Write and tell him that you want one— that vou feel run 
down, aching for a sight at something, want to see how the fish 
bite down there. Mr. Scull will see you get one. 
But. wait! I forgot about the fish. The South Branch of the 
Potomac has the best black bass in America, and thev bite harder 
than Hamlet's shrewd and nipping air. The Cheat, Youghiogheny, 
Potomac and Monongahela are all great fishing streams. And 
they are all convenient to Baltimore and Ohio Railroad stations- 
some of them right there, guides waiting for a job at one dollar 
and a half a day, and "found." Write Mr. Scull. It is time to 
think about it.— Adv. 
FIXTURES. 
AH ties divided unless otherwise reported. 
Send notice of yotir shoot like the fojlowinff: 
April 3-5.— Willard Park, Paterson, N. J.— Interstate Manu- 
facturers' and Dealers' Association's third annual Grand Ameri- 
can Handicap at live birds, at New York; §1,000 guaranteed, all 
surplus added. All ties in Grand American Handicap must be 
shot off; three moneys, three high guns. 
April 3.— Astob House, New York.— Trapshooters' Convention, 
adjourned meeting; 8:30 P. M. 
April 9-11.— Burlington. la.— Tournament of the Big Four Gun 
Club. 
April 9-11.— Wellington, Mass. Three days tournament of 
the Boston Shooting Association; targets. O. R. Dickey, Manager 
April 9-12.— London, Oni.— Three days' live-bird and target 
tournament; §100 guaranteed: experts handicapped by distance 
and unknown angles. John Parker, Detroit, Mich., manager. 
April 11. — Maplewood, N. J.— All day shoot of the Maplewood 
Gun Club, in connection'with the April tournament of the New 
Jersey Trapshooters' League. O. L. Yeoman, Sec. Orange, N. J. 
April 12.— Hartford, Conn.— All day shoot of the Hartford 
Gun Club; targets. D. S. Wadsworth. Sec. 
April 15.— Philadelphia, Pa — All day shoot of the Forest Gui 
Club at its grounds, 27th and Lehigh avenue; targets.- William 
Morison, Sec, 1943 Ridge avenue, Philadelphia. Pa. 
Anril 15.— Baltimore, Md.— All da v . . i of the Standard Gun 
Club at Point Breeze. W.F.Clements < \ , 
April 15-18.— Atchison, Kas.— Twelfth annual i i, anient of 
the Atchison Gun Club. Lou Erhardt Sec. and Manager. 
April 16-18.— Pittsburg, Pa.— Tournament of the Interstate 
Association, at Pittsburg, Pa , under the auspices of the Pittsburg 
Gun Club, $200 added money. 
April 17, 18.— Auburn, N.Y.— Two days' tournament of the 
Auburn Gun Club; open to all. C. E, Goodrich, Secretary. 
April 17-i 9.— Canton, 111.— Annual spring tournament of the 
Canton Shooting Club. 
April 23, 24— Battle Creek, Mich— Annual tournament of the 
Michigan State Trap-Shooters' League. Annual meeting and 
election of officers on the evening of the first day. W. H. Willard, 
Secretary. 
April 22-27.— Kansas City, Mo.— Eighteenth annual tournament 
of the Missouri State Game and Fish Protective Association. W 
V. Rieger, Sec 
April 23-24.— Elizabeth, N. J— Third bi-monthly tournament 
of the Elizabeth Gun Club; first day. targets; second day, live 
birds; events open to all. Robt. E. Chetwood, Pres. 
April 23-20.— Galesburg, 111.— Tournament of the Galesbur<* 
Shooting Club. 
April 24-26.— Peekskill, N. Y.— Annual tournament of the 
Peekskill Gun Club: first two days, targets; third day live birds. 
Orrin J. Loder, Sec. 
May 2.— Elizabeth, N. J.— All day tournament of the Elizabeth 
Gun Club; New Jersey Trap Shooters' League events commence 
at 2 P. M. Rob't. E. Chetwood, Prest. 
May 7-10.— Cincinnati, Ohio.— Dupont tournament at Cincin- 
nati. Liberal cash prizes added to the purses. R. S. Waddell, 
agent. 
May 9-10— Wilmington, N. C— Tournament of the Interstate 
Association, under the auspices of the Eastern Dog and Game 
Protective Association. 
May 9-11.— Newbcrg, N. Y.— West Newburg G. and P. Asso- 
ciation tournament. W. C. Gibb, Sec. 
May 10.— Weir City, Kan.— Ninth annual owl shoot of the Ama- 
teur Trap-Shooters' Association of Missouri and Kansas; §300 in 
cash added. W. W. Mcllhany, Sec 
May 14-16.— Dayton, O.— Ohio Trap-Shooters' League annual 
meeting and tournament, under the auspices of the Buckeye (4un 
Club, of Dayton, O.; $200 added money. Ed. Taylor, Sec, '» West 
Third street. Cincinnati. 
May 17-18.-Lynohburg, Va— Tournament of the Interstate 
Association, under the auspices of the Lynchburg Gun Club, $200 
added money. 
May 21-23.— Kansas City, Kan— Annual tournament of the 
Kansas Slate Sportsmen's Association. A. W. Peck, Sec, Kansas 
City. 
■ May 21-24— Knoxytlle. Tenn., Gun Club's fourteenth annual 
tournament; 551,500 added to the purses. 
May 27-30— Little Rock, Ark— Fifth annual tournament and 
meeting or the Arkansas State Sportsmen's Association For 
programmes address Paul R. Litzke, Little Rock , Ark 
May 29-30— CanAjohahie, N. Y.— Eastern New York Trap- 
Shooters' League, under the management of the Canajoharie Gun 
Club; targets. Chas. Weeks, Sec. 
May 30.— Mountville, Pa.— Tournament of the Mountville Gun 
Club; targets. 
May 30.— East McKeesport, Pa.— Tournament of the. Wilmerd- 
ing Gun Club. A. A. Mackert. Sec. 
May 30- June 1.— Grand Rapids. Mich.— Valley City Gun Club's 
annual tournament under the auspices of the Interstate Associa- 
tion; targets; SiOOJadded money. C. F. Rood, Sec. 
June 3-8 —Chicago, 111.— Illinois State Sportsmen's Association 
annual tournament. Convention at Sherman House, June 4. 
June 11-14— Memphis, Tenn.— Memphis Gun Club's annual 
tournament; $2,000 added money. 
June 13-14.— Fargo,N.D.— First annual tournament of the North 
Dakota Stat« Sportsmen's Association: targets. Programmes 
ready May 15. W. W. Smith Sec'y. 
June 13-15— Omaha, Neb— Annual tournament of the Nebraska 
Ftate Sportsmen's Association: $500 added ruonev. F. S. Parmelee 
Sec. 
June 19-21.— Cleveland. O.— Chamberlain Cartridge and Tar- 
get Company's second annual tournament; 31,200 in cash added. 
June 24-28.— Saratoga, N. Y.— Annual tournament of the New 
York State Sportsmen's Association, under the auspices of the 
Saratoga Gun Club. H. M. Levengston, Sec. 
July 11-12.— Altoona, Pa.— Third annual tournament of the 
Altoona Rod aoid Gun Club at Wopsononock; targets. W. G. 
Clark, Sec 
Aug. 20-24.— Holmesburg, Pa.— Pennsylvania State Sports- 
men's fifth annual tournament, under the auspices of the Key- 
stone Shooting League, of Philadelphia. John C. Shallcioss, Sec, 
Frankford, Pa. 
Aug. 29-31.— Hot Springs , S. D. — Hot Springs Gun Club's sec- 
ond annual tournament. 
Oct. 9-11. — Newburg, N. Y.— West Newburg G. and R. Asso- 
ciation tournament. W. C. Gibb, Sec. 
Control of Trap-Shooting. 
Owing to unavoidable delay on the part of the attorney who 
was requested to pass upon the proposed by-laws for a 
national association, the approved copies of the same were 
nob received until Tuesday morning of this week, too late for 
insertion in this issue. Printed copies of the same, however, 
will be ready for distribution at the meeting of April 8. 
This is the last opportunity that Forest and Stream will have 
of advocating the organization of a governing or regulating 
body for trapshooting, prior to the adjourned meeting set for 
the above date. That such an association will be not only 
beneficial to the sport, but is necessary to its welfare, is our 
firm conviction. An immense body of sportsmen, like the 
trapshooters of this country, divided up into a vast number of 
gun clubs aud kindred organizations, are merely units waen it 
comes to promoting the welfare of bhe sport they follow. Weld 
them into a homogeneous whole by the organization of a 
national body, and you then have a power that will command 
recognition whenever necessary, and that can make laws (and 
enforce them) that will further the interests of the sport by 
purifying it from the evils that now rob it of the good name 
which it should possess. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
In the contest for the Miller medals, which took place on 
March 9, at West Farms, N. Y., the following scores were 
made, each man shooting at 10 live birds: M. Herriugtou, 9; H. 
Cathcart and H. Fensterer, 8; W. L. Hall and C. White, 7: 
Wm. Fisher aud C. H. Dittmar, 3. 
The letter signed "Dropper," which appears elsewhere is 
rather a peculiar epistle. It will be read with peculiar interest, 
as it is the first time one of the class has written to Forest and 
Stream. I think 1 know the note in Forest and Stream of 
March 16 that brought forth the letter. "Dropper" is quite 
right aboub the system also mentioned in that issue. 
The Easter Monday shoot of the Standard Gun Club, of Bal- 
timore, Md., will be an interesting affair, particularly the team 
race. The officers of the club are: President, C. E. Bonday; 
Vice-President, G. H. Gent ; Secretary -Tre ■ surer, W. T. 
Clements: Captain, John Devall; Directors, Dr. H. E. Lupus, 
W. E. Buckbee and L. C. Bice. 
Jack Brewer's shooting at Zwirlein's grounds on March 21 
was as good as any he has ever done; he did not look much like 
a back number. 
The programme for the Pittsburg Gun Club's Interstate As- 
sociation shnot, April 10-18, is gotten up in the attractive style 
that characterizes all publications that emanate from that 
quarter. 
The members of the Iroquois Rifle Club, of Pittsburg, Pa., 
have decided to send in the*club's application for membership 
in the Pennsylvania State Sportsmen's Association. 
The present officers of the newly re-organized St. Hubert's 
Gun Club, of Ottawa, Can., are: President, W. H. Shaw; Vice- 
Presidents, H. Wooton and T. J. Ccursolle; Secretary, L. H. 
Filteau; Treasurer and Captain, John Des Lauriers. 
Miss Annie Oakley is receiving excellent press notices for tier 
work in "Miss Rora" in England; her shooting and horseback 
riding has caught the popular fancy in particular. Regarding 
her rifle shooting, Miss Oakley, in a letter to the TJ. M. C. Co., 
pays a very high tribute to that company's 32-20 cartridges 
loaded with nitro powder. 
The West Newburtrh Gun and Rifle Association, of New- 
burgh. N. Y., is in a flourishing condition iu every respect; its 
financial department is unembarrassed and its roster shows 150 
members. The officers for the ensuing year are: President 
David Brown; Vice-President, Harry C. Higgiuson; Treasuierj 
John A. Wood; Secretary, William C. Gibb; Captain, George 
H. Taggart; Directors, Joseph A. Snead, "Easy" Kissatn and 
John J. E. Harrison. 
A new Gun Club, entitled the Florists' Gun Club, has been 
organized in Philadelphia, Pa. Mr. John Burton is President, 
A. B. Cartledge being Secretary and Treasurer. 
Secretary-Treasurer J. A. H. Dressel is smiling just now at 
the thought of all the cash he'll be handing out to the winners 
of the Grand American Handicap in a little more than a week 
from the issue of this paper. 
The Easb Side Mutual Gun Club, of Newark, N. J., has 
changed its name, being known now as the East Side Gun 
Club. Beside the above change of name, it has also moved its 
quarters from Wiedenmayer's Park to Harry Henry's, 670 
East Ferry street, grounds that can be very easily reached by 
the Court House or South Orange avenue cars. A large club 
house, etc., will grace the new grounds. 
The Auburn, N. Y., Gun Club will hold a two day's shoot 
on April 17, 18, open to all comers. 
The members of the Colt Gun Club, of Hartford, Conn., made 
the following scores in a 25 target race on March 9: Goodwin, 
Williamson, Risley and Green, 34; Browning and Alger 38; 
Cook, 32; Pitkin, 20; Nichols, 19; Tucker and Olmstead 17 : 
Sexton, It!; Treat aud Bailey, 15; Peard, 14; Colt, 13; Atwood, 
9. J. M. Browning, of Browning Bros., Utah, shot as a guest 
of the club. 
Mr. C. F. Rood, Secretary of the Valley City Gun Club, of 
Grand Rapids, Mich., writes under date of March 19 as follows: 
"The annual meeting of the Valley City Gun Club was held on 
the 15th inst, and the following officers elected: President, 
Col. E. Crofton Fox; Vice-President, R. C. Wharton; Secre- 
tary, C. F. Rood; Treasurer, W. S. Coleman. These gentle- 
men, with three others to be elected by them, constitute the 
Board of Directors. The club is stronger than ever, both 
numerically and financially, a considerable debt carried over 
from 1893 having been paid and a balance on the right side of 
the cash book winding up the business of 189-1. It was decided 
to add $500 in cash to the tournament purses, and to make it a 
three days' shoot instead of two, May 30-31, June 1." 
The second shoot of the New Jersey Trapshooter's League 
took place on Wednesday, March 27. Scores of the shoot will 
appear in the next issue of Forest and Stream. 
In connection with the holding of the Arkansas State Sports- 
men's Association at Little Rock, Ark., instead of at Hot 
Springs, Mr. Paul R. Litzke, of Little Rock, writes: "As 
announced in your last issue, the Arkansas State Sportsmen's 
Association will hold its annual tournament on the grounds of 
the Little Rock Gun Club. Mr. Sumpter's letter fully explains 
the reason for such change. The first and third annual meet- 
ings were held at Little Rock, and they were the most success- 
ful ever given by the association. Every effort will be made 
to sustain the reputation already established, and if possible 
make this tournament even more successful than its predeces- 
sors. Col. J. A. Woodson, John W. Dickinson and Paul R. 
Litzke will compose the tournament committee. We hope to 
be able to announce the added money in a few days, which we 
confidently expect will not be more than §300." Programmes 
will be out about April 20, and can be had by addressing Mr. 
Litzke. 
Don't forget that regular entries for the Grand American 
Handicap must bo made to the Secretary of the Interstate 
Association, Ml-. J. A. Dressel, 313 Broadway, New York city, 
not later than March 30. 
A sudden blossoming into print by pretty nearly all the 
"champion" live bird shots has occurred during the past week. 
If matches are desired, so mdch newspapar talk, save for ad- 
vertising purposes, is entirely unnecessary. 
The New Utrecht Gun Club, of Woodlawn, L. I., sent a team 
to Riverton, N. J., on Wednesday of this week, to shoot a team 
representing the Riverton Gun Club. Each team consisted of 
10 men, each man shooting at 15 birds. 
In the Dayton-Freehold-New Brunswick 'shoot, which took 
place at New Bruswick, N. J., on Saturday, March 23, Dayton 
came out on top, the teams finishing in the above order. 
After the 25 bird race at Zwirlein's grounds on March 21, 
Brewer shot at 40 picked birds for practice. He shot a 10 
guage gun, 26 yards rise, 50 yards boundary, use of one barrel, 
gun below the elbow, and scored 38 out of 40. 
The April shoot of the New Jersej' Trapshooters' Leauge will 
be held at the Maplewood Gun Club's grounds, Maplewood, N. 
J., on April 11. 
A copy of the new shooting rules, for target and live birds, 
of the New York State Sportsmen's Association has been 
received from Mr. H. L. Gates, of Utica, N. Y. Owing to the 
pressure on the trap columns this week, these rules have been 
held over until our next issue. EDWARD BANKS. 
Brewer— Elliott— Carver— Class— Cockburn. 
The above head includes the names of about all the noted 
trapshots in this country, together with that of a Canadian, 
who is willing to shoot anybody under Old Dominion rules. 
The four first named are a strong combination at the traps, 
while Brewer, Elliott and Carver can all hold their end up 
when it comes to talking matches and writing challenges. The 
general public are generally pretty tired of newspaper talk 
about what these champions will and will not do. As, how- 
ever, some of them have been attracting attention in the 
vicinity of New York, by a letter or two in the New York Sun, 
it is perhaps just as well to state the positions of these shooters, 
that is, as they stand at present. 
Brewer writes as follows: "I will bet $600 to $500, or $1,200 to 
$1,000, that I can beat aDy man in the world at 200 first-class 
pigeons, thirty yards rise, from five ground traps, otherwise 
Hurlingham rules to govern. I will also bet $500 to $1,000 that 
I can beat any man in the world at 100 selected pigeons, Long 
Island rules to govern. Again, I will bet 8100 that Elliott will 
not meet me m a pigeon shooting contest under any of the con- 
ditions that I have named, with first-class birds, the match to 
take place within the next twenty days at Frank Class' 
grounds, as 1 feel confident that Mr. Class will provide first- 
class birds." In regard to this challenge, it is only proper to 
add that Brewer will not go to Kansas to shoot Elliott, but will 
shoot him "anywhere in New York State." He told Elliott so 
at Yardville, N. J., on March 21. Elliott offered to shoot him 
five matches, $100 a match, loser to pay for the birds, and 
winner to take all the gate receipts; two matches to be shot in 
the East (the Marion, N. J., grounds barred for private 
reasons), two at Kansas City, and the fifth at Pittsburg, Pa.,, 
or some other intermediate point. Brewer wouldn't go West 
and said so. 
Frank Class' backer is willing to back Class against any 
shooter, Elliott preferred, naming Marion, N. J., as the scene 
of the conflict. Elliott and Class, however, came together at 
Yardville, N. J., on the above date, the result being that it 
was all but decided that these two men should shoot a race at 
100 live birds, the match to take place at Morristown, N, J. 
Class' own grounds, on Monday, March 31. This match was to 
be made, and the money put up, at the Newark Gun Club's 
shoot at Erb's grounds on Thursday of this week. 
On Monday, March 24, we received a clipping from the 
Canadian Sporting News, of Toronto, Can., containing a 
lengthy letter from C. Cockburn, of Toronto. Cockburn 
recibes in this letter his views on the match shot with Brewer at 
Hamilton. Out., on Jan. 18 of this year, stating that not only 
was he not to blame in regard to the outcome of the match, but 
that he can prove all his statements to the satisfaction of auy 
doubters. He concludes as follows: "In order to disprove any 
lingering suspicion that may remain after my offer has been 
made that bheie was any cause on my part for collusion, I will 
go further and will shoot a match against Captain Brewer, J 
A. R Elliott of Kansas City, E. D. Fulford, FredErb. or any 
other man in the United States or Canada, at 100 live birds, 26 
yards rise, for $250 a side, 80 yards boundary, old Dominion 
rules to govern in all except the matter of the rise, the principal 
requiremeu ts being single barrel gun below the elbow till 
the bird is on the wing, and 1 1-4 ounce shot. As J. A. R. 
Elliott was foremost among my slanderers, I much prefer that 
he should take the challenge up. If he or any other man will 
come to Toronto and shoot ine a match under the terms pro- 
posed I will guarantee him his expenses. My business necessi- 
ties, will not, I regret to say, allow me to leave Canada at 
present, or I would beard my traducers in their own den. For 
the same reason I cannot consent to keep this offer open in- 
definitely. I will therefore limit the time for acceptance to 
three weeks, the match to be shot from within one nionth of 
the date on which is covered the deposit of fifty dollars which I 
have now made with Mr. II. J. P. Good, editor of the Canadian 
Sporting News, as au evidence of my bona fides. With the 
assurance that if Mr. Elliotb, Mr. Erb, Capt. Brewer Mr. 
Fulford, or auy other man accept this offer, they will not find 
me dimcult to please in the matter of officials and prelimin- 
aries." 
It is too early to guees what will be the outcome of this chal- 
lenge on the part of Cockburn, At the same time it is unlikely 
that any match will be made, although Brewer may take it 
into his head to go North and tackle the Canadian. 
Carver talks of coming East this spring, but says that 
depends in a great measure upon the amount of money in sight 
If the "Evil Spirit of the Plains" comes East, he will find 
