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"Forest and Stream" Snap Shots. 
During the match between George Work and J. P. Knapp, which 
was shot on April 24 at the Westminster Kennel Club's grounds, 
Babylon, L. L. and details of which were given in last weeks's issue of 
tbis'paper, Forest and Stream's camera got in its fine work, secur- 
ing photos of the principals while at the score. George Work's photo 
shows plainly how the wind was blowing; the camera was snapped an 
instant before he fired. In Knapp's case many of his fellow club 
members will regret that he has seen fit to place on the shelf the old 
gray felt slouch hat which was so conspicuous an object at most of 
the important club shoots during the past winter, and which has so 
ably performed its share of the work. The camera was snapped un- 
fortunately just as he fired his first barrel at a quick rising bird; 
hence the effects of the recoil on that portion of the photo where the 
gun should be. Fred G. Moore's attitude will be recognizad readily by 
all who have seen him shoot; his photograph was snapped off during 
the sweep that followed the match above referred to. The other cut- 
is an excellent likeness of George 8. Mott, Superintendent of the 
Westminster Kennel Club's grounds. Mott's reputation for providing 
fast birds is very high, and, as a matter of fact, he won't own a poor 
bird. 
The League's Problem. 
The American Trap-Shooters' League, which was organized on the 
night of April 3, at the Astor House, New York city, may seem to 
some to have what is vulgarly termed "a hard row to hoe." It will 
certainly, in the earlier portions of its career at least, meet with soma 
opposition. That is the lot of everybody who sets out to alter and 
improve any existing condition of affairs, even when that condition is 
acknowledged to ha in nead of improvement. The Association, there- 
fore, instead of being discouraged, will naturally consider the source 
whence such opposition springs, and just go right ahead with its 
work. 
The purification of trap-shooting, and the placing of that sport upon 
the plane to which it rightly belongs, is not a difficult matter after all. 
At least it does not seem so to us. The drawing up of new sets of 
rules to govern inanimate, or target, shooting and pigeon shooting, 
making these rules as full as possible and dealing with no ambiguities, 
is what is needed in the first place. In the second place the Association 
should father and recommend for adoption some more equitable sys- 
tem of division of purses than that now practiced. Cla°s shooting is 
good enough in its way, but any system whereby a man can win more 
by purposely missing a bird or a target than if he killed that bird or 
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broke that target, is an anomaly that ii not permitted in any other 
sport, and is only an inducement to men to "drop for place," pool or 
combine their winnings, and in a general way to shoot in an unsports- 
manlike manner. Class shooting undoubtedly encourages the poorer 
shots, the 75 par cent, men, and for that reason it would bi well to 
maintain that principle when any new system is proposed. The "j ack- 
rabbit" system is one of the best and fairest methods of dividing 
purses devised up to date; but its very cumbersomeness, and the fact 
that no one, shoot as well as he may, can break more than even after 
deducting shells, expenses, etc., have dashed its popularity. For club 
shoots it has not altogether lost its favor. 
The system copyrighted by Mr. Rose, which has been referred to 
several times in Forest and Stream, seems to filltha bill more nearly 
than any other that has been called to our notice. So far as we can 
see, it prevents dropping for place entirely; it puts an end to combin- 
ing and pooling, and it rewards every man according to his merits, so 
long as he gets a place. The difference between Rose's system, 
"straight-out," as it has been called, and the "jack-rabbit" is that 
whereas in the latter everybody who breaks a target or kills a bird 
gets back something, in the former it is class shooting pure and 
simple, without any of the pernicious features that are part and 
parcel of the system of division of purses now in vogue. 
If the Association starts in by framing soma set of rules that will 
be adopted as a standard in this country, and alio obtains the 
adoption of some system of division of purses (whether it be Rose's 
or not), that will do away with all chance of unsportsmanlike conduct 
at the traps, by removing the opportunity for practising the same; in 
that case, we think, it will have removed about all the thorns that are 
likely to prove any serious obstacle to its further progress. 
An Invitation to Americans. 
The British Inanimate Bird Shooting Association, 224 Piccadilly, 
London, W , April 9.— Editor Forest and Stream: I am instructed by 
the governing body of the Inanimate Bird Shooting Association to in- 
form you that at the annual meeting of the Association, held at Ander- 
ton's Hotel, Fleet street, London, on the 20th of March list, Mr. J. D. 
Dougall in the chair, the following resolution was moved by the chair- 
man, seconded by Mr. A. H. Gale, and carried unanimously, viz : 
"That all members of Australian, Canadian or American clubs duly 
accredited as amateurs be invited to shoot at the Association's annual 
meeting at Wembley Park, on June G, 7 and 8 next, in all competitions 
except that for the championship." 
The Association will be obliged if you will kindly give publicity to 
the communication in your columns, and hopes that it may have the 
pleasure of welcoming any of your countrymen who may then be in 
England. E. G. Mackenzie, Sec'y I. B. S. A. 
Mechanicville Rod and Gun Club. 
Mechanicville, Pa., April 26 —The regular fortnightly shoot of the 
Mechanicville Rod and Gun Club was held to-day, the following scores 
being; made, each member shooting at 25 targets, unknown angles: 
a b Orcutt ooiHiiiiimiooooomimi -is 
C Brouthers lOlOllOlinilOl 1110111111— 20 
S J Moore 1110111011100011111111110—19 
Fred Baker 0010100011111110110100100-13 
F Davenport 0000001000001000001000001— 4 
F HHayner 1011111101111111011111111—22 
W L Howland , 0111011111110101110101111—19 
N T Bryan 0111101101111000111110110—17 
A J Hawey 1111010110001000101110000—12 
W. L. Howland, Seo'y. 
Knoxville's Great Shoot. 
During the past few days the programmes of the great tournament 
which will be held at Knoxville, Tenn., on May 21-24, have been scat- 
tered broadcast throughout the country. Although the advance 
notices that have appeared from time to time in these columns have 
prepared shooters for the general outline of this tournament, yet these 
programmes have been eagerly scanned and considerable figuring 
done. This has been done by hundreds "Who won't, beat Knoxville, 
$3,000 added money being a large amount to give away in four days, 
even if there are 100 shooters all anxious to get a slice. Four years 
ago, when the Knoxville Gun Club added $500 to the purses, its action 
GEORGE WORE. 
was looked upon as something extraordinary, and so it was— some- 
thing out of the ordinary. But the enterprise of the club in adding 
that amount of hard cash had its reward. Without a doubt the ad- 
ding of $1,500 by the club, and another $1,500 raised as stated later, 
will have its reward too. The Knoxville shoot will he a corker, and 
ihe Knoxville Gun Club t\ ill move up another big notch. 
With 100 shooters to handle, the daily averages will need some figur- 
ing; the six highest averages on each day will receive the following 
premiums; $18, $16, $14, $12, $10 and $8 respectively, a total of $73 a 
day for four days. That accounts for $312. There will also he six 
four-day averages wh'ch will receive respectively; $20, £18, $16 $14, 
$10 and $10, a total of $88. The programme of events for each day con- 
sists of eight events, six 20 target events, $3 entrance, and two 25-tar- 
get events, $5 entrance. It requires an outlay of $28 per day to entnr 
through the programme, a total of $112 for the whole shoot. Each 
day's programme calls for 170 targets. Thereare, therefore, 24 20-tar- 
get events and eight 25-target events programmed for the four days' 
tournament. To the purse in each 20-target event is added $75. a total 
of $1,800; to the purse in each 25-target event is added $100, a total of 
$800, Take these totals and add them together: daily averages, $112; 
four days' averages, $88; 20-target events, $1,800; 25-target events, 
$800. That's the way the Knoxville club's programme committee has 
divided up the $3,000. Simple, but effective. 
Shooting begins each day at 8:30 A. M. To reach the grounds on 
t me, shooters are to take the 7:30 electric car, "Lake Ottosee," which 
passes the door of the Imperial Hotel, the headquarters for shooters 
during the tournament. The "rules and regulations" governing the 
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FRED G. MOORE, 
shoot are worth mentioning, as many of them will be pointers for 
other tournament committees to go by, although many of them will 
not do for ordinary tournaments. They run as follows: 
"Shooting will be known traps, unknown angles, 16yds rise, rapid 
Jlre system, under latest revised A. S. A. rules to govern wii rt few 
exceptions. Three sets of five bluerock expert traps, North's latest 
electric pulls will be used. 10 and 12-gauge guns shoot under same 
rules. Unknown angles, any angle outside base line of the traps, 6ft. 
high, any distance in flight. No contestant can shoot who does not 
make an all-day entry; cashier, upon due notice, will refund any 
entrance not contested. A contestant will be given squad card and 
position in squad and there shoot all day, or any squad can shoot all 
the meeting through in same positions. The secretary will be at 
Hotel Imperial at 7 P. M. on evening before the shoot to take special 
squad or individual place entries, otherwise they will be placed as they 
are entered on the grounds. The purse will be gross amount en- 
trance and added money, less target money, three cents each, divided 
into 30, 25, 20, 12^j, 12>S. All ties divide, class shooting. A contest 
ant, on going to th« score, may have his load challenged. Any con- 
testant 1 found using more than l^oz shot— struck measure of 1106 
Dixon shot measure— shall be debarred all rights and privileges of this 
meeting and forfeit all entrance money. Upon a challenge being 
issued, the secretary will take any shell from the shooter's pocket and 
measure it in the presence of the shooter and the executive committee. 
Shooters will take due notice and see that their shells are loaded 
properly, as this rule is going to be strictly enforced and no excuse 8 
granted. No greater number than three extra shells can be taken to 
the score than any event to be shot calls for, under same penalty aa 
section 9. All disputes or contentions shall be decided by the execu- 
tive committee. All contestants, by their entry, signify their accept- 
ance to abide by the rules and regulations and all other means neces- 
sary to insure harmony and success of this meeting." 
A point well worth noting, because of its being nearly always left 
out in the makiDg up of a programme, is the instruction to shooters 
to send their shells in ' care of George Brown, Knoxville, Tenn , who 
will keep them at his store until notified of their disposal." Grourd* 
will he open for practice on Mordsy, May 20, at 9 A. M. Shooters wilt 
also do well to pay attention to the following, as it may save tit 111 
some money: "Shooters will pay one full fare to Knoxville and fet 
return one-third rate, provided they obtain from their local railro d 
agent a certificate and present it to the club secretary for propi r 
indorsement." 
Such is the Knoxville programme. Unpretentious in its make-up 
it is full of matters that interest shooters, and that's probably what .8 
wanted nowadays. 
The Hollywood Futurity. 
The handicaps for the Hollywood Futurity handicap, to be shot at 
the Hollywood (N. J.) Gun Club grounds on Faturaay, July 6, bav« 
been made public by referee and tiandicapper John S. Hoey. The' e 
are 50 entries thus far, and the handicaps range from 25 to 31yds. The 
contestants, together with their handicaps, are as follows: 
Thirty-one yards: Fred. Hoey. 
Thirty yards: George Work, J. P. Knapp, L. 8. Thompson. 
Twenty-nine yards: R A. Welch, Capt. Money, L. T. Duryea, E. G. 
Murphy, Chas. McAlester. 
Twenty-eight yards: Fred. G. Moore, J. Seaver Page, W. Wynne. 
W. G. Brokaw, H. Gilbert, C. O. Iselin, Jim Jones, W. F Sykes, C A. 
Sykes, C. Furgueson, Jr., F. L Train, Eckert, Smith, Jordan L. Mott, 
Jr., Seabright. 
Twenty-seven yards: E. L. Post, W. S. Edey, J. O'H. Denny, P. 
Daly, Jr., Hoyt, Ellison, N. E. Money, Wolstencroft, L. Finletter, Kit- 
redge, W. P. Thomson, jr., W. G. Murphy, Zellner. 
Twenty-six yards: Watrous, W C. Downing, Gould, W. H Mead, 
Edwards, Sullivan, Gilder, Harned, W. H. Stafford, E. C. Potter, C. 
Dolan. 
Twenty-five yards: Bacon. 
The conditions of the handicap are as follows: Twenty-five birds 
each, ties to be shot at 5 birds, $25 to be paid in on entering, which is 
forfeited if the subscriber is not present up to 11:30 on the morning 
of the contest, $25 additional for all contestants. Post entries will be 
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received up to close of second round on payment of $75. Fifty per 
cent, and cup to the winner, 25 per cent, to the second, 10 per cent, to 
the third, 5 per cent, to the fourth, with 10 per cent, to the club. 
Paducah Gun Club. 
Paducah, Ky., April 30,— At the last meeting of the Paducah Gun 
Club it was decided to furnish Forest and Stream with the scores of 
its shoots, and to ask you to be kind enough to publish it. 
We are using five of North's traps, with electric pull attachment. 
The club was recently organized with the following officers: Fred 
Hoyer, president; W. D. Thompson, vice president; I.'Young. captain; 
Janus M. Lang, vice-captain; W. E. Cochran, treasurer; T. J. Moore, 
secretary. 
Enclosed please find scores made over five traps, rapid firing. No. 
1, 25 bluerocks each man, known traps and known angles; No. 2, 25 
bluerocks each man, known traps and unknown angles. National 
Shooting Association rules. 
Vice-president Thompson will attend next Saturday a meeting at 
Memphis, Tenn., to shoot with the Memphis Gun Club for four L. C 
Smith guns which have been presented to the club. Scores: 
No. 1, 25 targets, known angles: 
H E Craft 1101111110101111101100111—19 
CT Hinkle 1110100111110101111111111—20 
J C Piper 0110111011011111110100111—18 
R A Brudas 1011011111111111011111111-22 
C L Robertson 0 1 1 1 001 1 1 01 01 1 011 011 011 01— 1 6 
Fred Holley 1001111111011101110111110—19—114 
J M Lang... 1101111110111011111010110—19 
W D Thompson 1111111111011111111111110—33 
G H Robertson OlOOllllOllOOlllliniliOO— 17 
Thos Pitt 1111011011010111110111001—18 
Milt Ingram 1 1 1100111 1 01 01 1 11 0101 1 101— 1 8 
Tom Boswtll 1111011010111001111001111—18—113 
No. 2, 25 targets, unknown argles; 
H E Craft 0101101111010110011111110-17 
C T Hinkle 1011001110111110110110111— 18 
J C Piper 1011111001011111010011011—1? 
R A Brudas 0101111100110111001110101—18 ~ 
J H Costello 0101110110101100011100111—15—83 
J M Lang 110<il00111011101101111110— 17 
W D Thompson .1111111111111111111111111—25 
G H Robertson lillimiiillOlOllllllOll— 21 
Milt Ingram 1100101110101011100110101—15 
Tom Boswell , lOOlllllllllllllllnooill— 21-99 
T. J. Moore, Sec'y, 
Boiling Springs Gun Club, 
Rutherford, N. J., May 4.— Following are the scores made at the 
monthly shoot of the Boiling Springs Gun Club this afternoon, each 
man firing at 25 empires, unknown angles: 
Paul , noioioiiioiioroioionoii— ie 
Holiister 1110111110111111111010101—80 
Huck 0111111101011111111111111—22 
•Tames 1111101101110101101110011—18 
Simpson 0011101111000111011101111—17 
Frank 1111110000111111110011110—18 
Collins 1111011111111111001111100-20 
Jeanqerette 1100101111011011111011101—18 
.W. H. Huck. 
