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Trap-Shooting In Chicago. 
OALUMBT HHUHHTS OUK OLUB. 
June S7.— In the trophy oonteat of the Calumet Heights Gun Club 
held to-day Patterson won in Class A, MarBhall in Class B and Cham- 
berlain in Class C. The attendance was small owing to the near ap- 
proach of July. Weather conditions to-day were clear atmosphere 
with a north wind blowing. Begular programme arranged for the 
Fourth of July. Scores to-day were: 
Trophy contest: 
Class A, 
Patterson ........... mmiOUlllOllllllllOll— 82 
Booth 1111011111001000110010111—36 
Hall 0010101001001111101111100-14 
Class B. 
Marshall , 0111110111110111111011111—21 
Greeley llOllOUlOOOOnillOllllll— 18 
Norcum 0111111111110011011001010—17 
C1&6B C 
Chamberlain ". . . .0011110111011000111000111—15 
Harlan , 0100001011100011100010000— 9 
Sw-eeps were shot as follows: 
Events: 
Targets: 
18 3 
is 10 10 
Harlan 5 8 6 
Chamberlain..,,,,,. _7 6 7 
Norcum 9 3 7 
Marshall 11 7 9 
Booth 11 10 7 
J Hall 9 3 9 
4 5 Events: 13 3 4 5 
10 so Targets: 15 10 10 10 ZO 
5 9 Patterson 14 7 4 7 16 
4 McCracken , , , 1 '. 
13 Greeley 7 7 8 
11 Knowles 3 6 
15 Carlisle.... 8 6 
Turtle , 17 
Nos. 1 and 2 were at unknown angles; No 3 was "snipe" shooting; 
No. 4, "snipe" shooting at 5 pairs; No. 5 also "snipe" shooting at 10 
singles and 5 pairs. 
EDBKKA GUN CLTTB. 
June 27.— The Eureka Gun Club held its regular shoot this afternoon 
at Auburn Park. The trophy contest and the E. C. cup shoot were 
the main events on the programme. The conditions of the trophy 
contest were 25 targets, unknown angles. Steck was the winner in 
Class A., Glover in Class B, and Dr. Morton in Class C. Scores: 
CJflSS A.t 
steck *. , . .1111011111101111111111101-22 
Htannard .,,..1011001111111111011011111—20 
Adams.., OllinillOOllOlllllOllOll-19 
Goodrich , ,.. ..,,,,.10111]l]0111011110nil001— 19 
Patterson.... .,...1001111011101011010101000—14 
Dr Carson . . . , ^ .000101 1000010101101011 010 -11 
Glover 1111101111111111101111111—33 
Buck , 1111101011011111111101110-20 
Spregne ; 0011101101000011110010011—13 
C1&6S 0 
Dr Morton .'....1001011001100111100111101—15 
Whitman 1 11010011000101 Oil 1 1 001 1 1—15 
Carson. lOUOlOllOOOlllOlOOl 11001-14 
Jones 1001100111100101100100011-13 
Morgan OOOOOOOOOOOOllOlOOOOOOOlO— 4 
Two events of 25 targets each, unknown angles, were also decided: 
Stannard.... 1111111111111111111111111-25 llllllJllOlOlllOOlllllOll-20 
Adams 1111111111111010111110101—21 
Patterson. . .0011011011110111011111111— 19 
C W Car8on.0010011101000111110101110-14 
R B Carson.. 0001011000001110001001010 — 9 
Spregne lOOOOlOllOlllOOOHOOllllO-13 
Morgan 0001 01010001 001 OllOOOl 100— 9 
Goodrich... .0101001011111111110011111— 18 
Jones 1010100000000011000110010 - 8 
Bisbee .0000100100001110001000000— 6 
Buck 
Steck. , 
The E. C. challenge cup contest was a handicap afifair. Shooters 
are divided into classes A, B and C. Class A stands at 20yds., Class B 
at 18yds,, and Class Oat 16yds. A strong wind quartering from the 
right behind the targets made their flight low and the shooting hard. 
Deering won the cup, which he holds subject to challenge. Scores: 
Ol&ss A . 
.Adams 101011111001100000111101011000 
10 10 10 01 11 10 10 11 10 10-28 
Steck , 111001100110111011111000110111 
10 00 01 10 10 10 10 10 00 1 0—28 
Patterson OlllOlllOlllllOllOOOOOlllOlOlO 
00 11 00 00 00 10 10 11 10 10—26 
Stannard llOOlOlOlllllOlllOlOOOOOlllOlO 
00 10 10 00 11 11 00 01 00 00 -24 
Deering 0001 111 1 1 0011101 1 1 11 101 1001001 
11 00 11 11 01 01 11 11 00 10—32 
Buck 10011011010010001001 1 101011 001 
11 11 10 10 11 11 00 11 10 10-24 
Glover lOOlOlllOOlOOOlOOOOOlOllOOllOO 
01 11 00 10 10 10 11 11 10 01—24 
Goodrich 100011110110100010101100001010 
10 10 10 10 01 01 10 10 00 10-28 
Whitman , lOlOOOllOOlllllOOOlOOOlOlllOlO 
Withdrew. —15 
Spregne 000010011001000001000101010110 
Withdrew. —10 
Class C. 
Morton 
1111111101111111111011100-21 
1011001111110011101001010-15 
0101011011100001000010001—10 
1000000000011011110001011— 9 
1011101010001000001110111—13 
1111010100101110000100101—13 
0100111100111011111111101-18 
lOOOlOOOOOlllOlOOOlOOOlOl— 9 
llOOOOlOlOlOOOOOOOaOOlOlO— 7 
1001111111110011111111011-20 
0111111111101110110111111—21 
Morgan , 
W A Jones. 
R B Carson. 
loiioniiiiiooooiiiioooioioolo 
01 10 00 00 01 10 11 10 10 00—25 
lOOOOOlOOOllOl 1 11000000100001 1 
00 00 11 11 10 10 01 00 00 00—18 
101000000000000000001100000110 
01 10 10 10 10 10 10 00 11 10-16 
000100011 1 00000001 000000010000 
00 00 00 10 00 00 00 01 00 00— 8 
The Rose System Explained. 
It is a remarkable thing that the unjust system of dividing purses 
in irap-shooting sweepstakes at present generally observed should 
have been permitted to exist even for a short period of time. The 
idea that a man could get a larger share of the purse by losing a bird 
or target than by killing or breaking the same is absurd, not to say 
unjust. It sapped the very principles of a just competition; that is 
to say, one in which the competition was to determine the superiority 
of the contestants, and the rewards which were to go to those who 
were truly the best. It had the fatal failing that honest cDmpetitlve 
work and greater skill often resulted in direct loss. The system be- 
came the father of the dropper and the pooler, two gentlemen who 
have done much to keep shooters away from the traps and to harass 
those who participated. 
That the faults in this system were fully imderstood a long time 
ago is proved by the promulgation and trial of several other systems, 
such as the Pumphrey, the McMurchy, "Jack Rabbit," etc. Eich of 
these syHtems had its merits, and we look upon the "Jack Rabbit" 
system as barrted only owmg to the amount of work it entails upon 
tne cashier's dept-rtment. It was not until the Rose system was 
brought to our notice that we felt at all satigflad that the right theory 
and practice bad been hit upon. 
Some eighteen months ago a New England correspondent sent us a 
system of dividing purses in trap-shooting sweepstakes that seemed 
to fill the bill exactly. It absolutely did away with all cause for 
dropping for place— the more a man broke, the more cash he re- 
ceived—paying a man according to his deserts. The system also did 
away with the injustice and anomalies of class shooting wnicb were 
inyepirably a part of the old system, making it impossible for one 
man to receive less for a higher score than another received for a 
lower score. 
The system pleased us so well that we described it at length in these 
columns, calling it the "straight-out" system, a name which still sticks 
to it in certain localities. Within two weeks of the pubUcation of that 
description we received from Jdr. A. R. Rose, of Salida, Col , a letter 
in which he informed us that the system we mentioned had been de- 
vised by himself many months prior to that date, adding that he had 
copyrighted some score blanks on which appeared a full explanation 
of hl3 system and its workings. He inclosed us some blanks which 
showed that he had gone very fully and carefully into the matter. 
Our hat was off at once to Mr. Rose, and we gladly accorded him the 
honor of discovery of a system which we believed, and still do believe, 
would do much to increase the popularity of trap-shooting were it 
generally adopted. 
As with all new ideas it has had to make its way against consider- 
able opposition, chiefly, it must be said, through ignorance of its 
equitable methods rather than through a correct apprehension of 
i^8 actual workings. But it is making its way to the front rapidly 
enough to satisfy us that our first conception of its merits was cor- 
rect. 
The indorsement of the system by the Interstate Association at its 
annual meeting last winter was a great step toward a more general 
recognition of its merits. It was tried at the Interstate's tournament 
at Charleston, S. C , and the Palmetto Gun Club now advocates the 
use of no other system. It will be used on both days of the Portland 
(Me,) tournament, July 22-28. At Blnghamten, N. Y., it is the only 
system used at either club shoots or tournaments, and we are in- 
formed that all purses in the New York State shoot of 1897 at Auburn 
will be divldai uadar this system. It has also been used this year at 
the 8tat« shoots In Montana and Iowa, as well as at various other 
shoots East and West within the past few months. Where It was used 
at one shoot last year wa think Ifc la sate to say that It was used at five 
this year. 
While attending the large tournaments of the circuit of 1896 we 
found ample proof that the system was attracting a great deal of 
attention. Never a day passed that we were not asked to show and 
explain the workings of the system. The opinion we heard e^rpressed 
regarding it satisfied us that we had made converts of many. The 
only ones who held their peace or who were very guarded in their 
statements were the crackerjacks, and for cause. They realized that 
if the system was generally adopted all chances of "a big pot alone" 
would be gone, and that they could no longer make "big killings." 
We can assure them, however, that a shooter who shoots consistently 
well during a tournament is more certain of filling his pocketbook 
under the Rose system than under the older method of dividing 
purses. But above all, it Is fair to all shooters alike. 
In order that readers of Pobbst and Stbkam may become perfectly 
familiar with the workings of the Rose system, and thus be enabled to 
figure out the results in events under both systems, and compare the 
results so respectively arrived at, we have decided to give the pxplana- 
tlon of the Rose system given by the Interstate Association In its pro- 
grammes. This explanation runs as follows: 
(1) Decide upon the number of moneys into which the purse is to 
be divided, and then find the ratio Into which it will be divided from 
the following table: 
If into 
2 moneys- at the ratio of 5 to 3 . 
3 moneys — at the ratio of 5 and 3 to 2. 
4 moneys— at the ratio of 5, 3 and 2 to 1. 
5 moneys— at the ratio of 8, 5, 3 and 2 to 1. 
6 moneys— at the ratio of 13, 8, 5, 3 and 2 to 1. 
(2) For the sake of example in working out this system, let us take 
a 15-target event, $1.50 entrance, 4 moneys, 24 entries, $10 added to the 
purse, targets at 3 cents each. This will give us a net purse of |35.20, 
targets taking $\0 80 out of the total purse. Suppose when the event 
has been shot there are three straight scores: one 14, four 133 and one 
12. Under the old percentage system of 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent, class 
shooting, it is manifest that the single 14 would have the best of the 
four men with straight scores, while the man with 12 would also be 
better off financially than either of the four men who broke one more 
target than he did. Under the Rose system this temptation to drop 
for place is done away with. Proof of this is given below: 
The ratio points are 5, 8 and 2 to 1. Therefore, 
No of ties for 1st money 3x5=15 
No. of ties for 2d money 1x3= 3 . 
No of ties for 3d money 4x2= 8 
No. of ties for 4t.h money lxl= 3 
27)$85.20($1.30 
27 per ratio point. 
,83 
81 
10 cents over. 
Therefore, 
each man with 15 receives $1.80X5=B6.50 
eanh man with 14 receives 1.30X3= 3.90 
each man with 13 receives 1 30X2= 2.60 
each man with 18 receives 1.30x1= 1.30 
Under the system usually adopted at tournaments, the three men 
in for first money would have received 84.69 each; the man with 14 
alone taking second money. $10.66; the four men in for third money 
would have drawn down $1 76 each, but the shooter who had the luck 
to drop one more target would have received fourth money, $3 52, or 
just double their share. 
It may seem from the above that the system is a complicated one, 
and would involve a great deal of work in the cashier's department. 
To disabuse one of this idea, we give an example of an event, the 
third event on the second day of the Iowa State tournament, working 
out the example by a system learned from the cashier at the Bing- 
hamton, N. Y., tournament. It will be noticed that he rules each page 
off into five columns; in the first he enters the names of the shooters; 
in ihe second he places their respective scores. He then ascertains 
the place obtained by each man and puts in the third column the num- 
ber of points due to him. At the bottom of this column he figures up 
the total number of points, dividing the net purse by that sum. In 
the fourth column he places the amount due each man, checking it off 
as soon as the amount is paid, or the cash equivalent placed in the pay 
envelope. The fifth column is utilized for figuring the net purse and 
for finding the value of each point. 
Event No. 3. 15 targets. Entrance $1 50. Added money . 
Nb. of entries, 27. Price of targets, 2 cents. No. of moneys, 4. 
43 
core. 
oints 
mom 
due. 
15 
5 
3.35 
Hoffman .... 
11 
Gilbert 
12 
1 
.67 
27 entries at $1.50 -$40.50 
Schricker 
15 
5 
3.85 
Deduct for targets at 2ct8. each= 8 10 
13 
2 
1.84 
Wehrend .... 
14 
3 
2.01 
12 
1 
.67 
10 
12 
1 
.67 
Budd 
15 
5 
8.35 
Trotter 
13 
2 
1.34 
Miller 
10 
Harbaugh . , . 
9 
48*J32.40(67 cents per point. 
9 
288 
Tucker 
14 
3 
2.01 
360 
336 
VBoltenstern 
11 
24 cents over. 
11 
Northrup. . , . 
11 
Bos worth.... 
10 
MBoltenst'rn 
IS 
1 
.67 
12 ' 
1 
.67 
Cook 
15 
5 
3.35 
18 
S 
1.34 
15 
s 
3.35 
HBoltenst'rn 
18 
1 
.67 
15 
5 
3.85 
Samuelson , . 
10 
48 
Add amount over. . . 
.24 
S32.40 
* Divide net purse by sum of the point?. 
ao^B? 5®-,? fJl"^®™ ^^^^ ^lio broke 15 would have received 
$2.16, each 14 would have drawn down $4.86, while the 138 would have 
raceived exactly the same amount as the 8traights-$3.16; each 12 
dSvisicnf*^^ been paid 54 cents. Where is there any equity in such a 
Another case may be quoted to show the peculiar Injustice of divid- 
^'i^^J'^L^-^? ^^^^^ system: In one event shot at the expert traps 
at the Pittsburg, Pa.. Gun Club's tournament, June 28-25, tfiere were 
six men tied for second money, four men tied for third money and two 
tied for fourth money. Under the percentage system of 40, 30, 20 and 
10, each of the above twelve received precisely the same amount of 
cash, although six had broken 14 targets, four had broken 13 and two 
had broken 12. 
la our issue of June 27 Mr. Hsugh writes as follows: "Reforms do 
n Jt ssem to coma suddealy, however, and they are rarely to Oe attrib- 
uted to the efforts of a few or of a Eao'-.ioa. Thay saam to coaaj about 
gradually, aad to repressat the autn of tha bajfc opiaioa oa both sides 
of the questions involved. What was once universal in trap-shootiag 
may be uncommon to-day, and what is usual to-day may be unheard 
of in the future. For instance, I asked Charlie Budd what he thought 
of the Rose system of dividing purses. His immediate reply was that 
'it would not do; the shooters would not have It.' Mr. Qrlmra more 
carefully replied he 'had not carefully gone into the system, and did 
not know what to say of it.' It is very possible that both of these 
shooters three or four years from now will be shooting cheerfully 
under that system, and perhaps nearly forgetful of the old class 
shooting days, with its obvious unfair hrss and temptations." 
It is a matter of special interest to point out that Charlie Grimm was 
one of the 15s in the example we have worked out above, and who was 
so obviously benefited by the Rose system; on looking over his scores 
of the whole shoot we fail to find any case, save one, where he could 
have been benefited by the old percentage system. The exception is 
in event No. 6 on the third day, when he broke 20 straight and took 
first money, there being 10 other competitors. Charlie Budd was also 
one of the 15? in the example quoted. It must be remembered that 
Mr. Hough's interview with the two noted shots mentioned above 
took place prior to the Davenport, la., tournament, from which our 
example is taken It would be interesting to learn from both Budd 
and Grimm wbat they think of the Rose system now, and what objec- 
tions, if any, they may have to that aystem of dividing purses. 
Tournament at Aurora, 111. 
Chicago, III,, June 27.— The tournament held here this week was 
well attended, especially on the second day. All seemed pleased with 
the working of the traps and the targets. Some very good scores 
were made, notably that of Eddie Bingham, of the Du Pont Powder 
Co. Eddie started in to win everything in sight, and how well he suc- 
ceeded can be understood by his breaking 161 out of a possible 170, 
shooting at pairs, unknown angles, reverse pulls, and three traps un- 
known angles and traps. Mr. Hickey, of Galesburg, the gentleman 
who shoots sitting on a high stool, was about equal to Eddie, while 
Zlgler, of Hinkley, only lost 14 out of 180. The race track here having 
a sky background to the north affords one of the best shooting 
grounds in the State. Being near Chicago and accessible from all 
points by rail, the management announce another tournament for the 
last of October. 
There was hot competition in the merchandise shoot, 20 prizes 
donated by the merchants of Aurora, Following are the scores of 
the shoot: 
Events: 1 S 3 U 5 6 '1' 
Targets: 10 10 15 20 10 10 10 
Bingham 10 10 15 19 9 9 9 
Castle 8 10 15 17 5 5 9 
Brunemeyer 8 9 11 15 7 
Clapsaddle , 9 9 18 17 6 
Zigier 10 9 15 17 5 
Davis. 8 9 11 .. 9 
Cribbs 9 14 
Elwell.... 7 11 
Argraves 10 13 
KoTanczik 6 10 
Lewis 7 14 
Lang , 8 14 .. 7 
Stark 18 6 
Hickey jL.,..,.... 10 8 9 
Avery , 
Thornton,,., .' [. " ',\ 
Arnold .. " ,] [ \ .[ 
Hawley , 
Corcoran [ ,\ ',\ \\ 
Tanner 
Nos. 6, 8 and 11 were at unknown angles; No, 
reverse order. 
18 9 
17 6 
19 9 
15 7 
6 
8 7 
.. 8 
6 10 
.. 9 
.. 10 
'a io 
6 7 
'7 
5 
8 9 10 11 IS IS Ih 10 
10 15 10 15 10 15 10 10 
10 14 9 12 10 
9 14 8 12 7 ..... . 
.. .. 8 9 7 14 5 9 
8 13 8 13 6 11 5 3 
9 14 9 13 8 14 6 lO 
8 13 9 1» 
's ii "g ii 6 
12 6 . . 
8 10 
9 13 
6 13 
6 .. 
6 7 
9 11 , . . . 
5 11 7 . . 
5 13 10 15 
4 8 .. .. 
7 
7 
8 
5 4 
7 8 1 
10 
4 6 
8 .. 6 8 
5 6 
, 6 at 5 pairs; No. 14 at 
Fox HlVER. 
Dedham Sportsman's Club. 
Boston, Mass , June 27.— The Dedham, Mass., Sportsman's Club held 
Its weekly shoot to day. The attendance was satisfactory, while the 
scores were exceptionally good. Mr. Colemade four clean scores, Mr. 
Gordon having three straights to hi.s credit. Mr. Cole won the gold 
badge with 19 out of 20. The club holds an ali-day shoot July 4, and 
also sends a team of eight men to Hopadale on the same day to shoot 
araee with a team representing the flopedale Gun Club. Scores of 
to-day's events were: 
Events: 12 3 4 5678 9101112 
Greener 4 8 7 8 5 4 8 8 9 6 8 10 
Brown..,.. 865775577 
Gordon 10 8 5 8 8 6 10 9 10. 
Cole ...... 10 8 9 9 9 7 10 9 10 9 10 "7 
Avery..,,, 672886997485 
Morse „,;... 9757628682..,. 
Ho'hs 6685225.... 7 7 6 
Gokey..,. , 5 5 6 3 4 4 5 3 7 6 ..,, 
Jordan , 4 14 2 3 
Rice .: .: .: 3 '6 "s a " 
Mcintosh , ^ 7 io 'd 
Nos 1, 4, 8, 9 and 11 were at known angles"; Nos.' "2, 10 "and 12 at un- 
known angles; Nos. 3 and 5 reverse order; No. 6, 5 pairs, and No. 7. 
Hurhngham. All were lO-target events. Robert Smith 
Limited Gun Club of Indianapolis. 
Indianapolis, Ind., June 24.— The Limited Gun Club shot to-day for 
a gold badge offered by the Indianapolis Brewing Company. Condi- 
tions: 60 targets, unknown angles. The winner holds the badge and 
title of club champion for one year. Scores: Tutewiler 43, Town- 
send 42, Parry 42. Robinson 41, Grube 40, Deschler 40, Rich 40, Hear- 
sey 40, Lilly 39 Sielken 39, Moore 39, Kimberlin 39, Morris 38, Cooper 
37, Comstock 37, Griffith 85, Wildhack 33, Buch 32, Socwell 32, Craft 
31, Hay 27. 
In the shooting which followed Cooper and Robinson each broke 48 
out of 50. Royal Kobinson, Sec'y. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
Club secretaries are invited to send their scores for publication in 
these colum7is, also any news notes they may care to have pHnted. 
Ties tn all events are considered as divided unless otherwise reported. 
Mail all such matter to Forest and Stream Publishing Compdnv, ShS 
Broadway, New York: " t"*«'y, om 
,5,^®° ^^^^^ to tlie already large number 
m the State of New Jersey. The Arlington Shooting Association is the 
name of the new organization, and the opening shoot was held at its 
grounds on Schuyler avenue, Arlington, N. J., July 4. The organiza- 
tion took place on June 26, and the foUowing ofQcers were elected to 
serve one year: M. Herrington, President; Fletcher -Walters, Vice- 
President; Herbert FrapweU, Secretary and Treasurer ; John Chasmar, 
The Interstate Association will hold a tournament on the erounds 
of the Portland Gun Club, Portland, Me., July 22 and 23. There will 
be ten events each day, and the targets will be thrown at 2 cents each. 
Purses will be divided by the Rose system, four moneys. Informa- 
tion relative to the tournament will be cheerfully furnished by S B 
Adams, Secretary Portland Gun Club, Box 413, Portland, Me. 
The sixth annual convention and trap-shooting tournament of the 
Arkansas StateSportsmen's Association will be held at Hot Springs 
Ark., July 21 and 22. American Association rules will govern all 
events, and purses will be divided on the Equitable plan Ten events 
will be shot each day. 
At Elkwood Park, at 1 P. M. on July 10, the preliminary handicap 
will take place^ Handicap 25 to 31yds., 50yds. boundary. Fifteen five 
pigeons each, $15 entrance, birds extra. For the convenience of those 
who contemplate shooting in the Hollywood Futurity, July 11 an 
mside boundary same as at Hollywood has been laid out, which will 
not interfere with the contestants in the preliminary handicap. 
There will be birds enough for sweeps before and after the main 
event. 
The Endeavor Gun Club will hold its regular monthly shoot on the 
club grounds at Marion, N. J., on July 11, commencing at 2 o'clock 
P. M The regular monthly meeting will be held on Friday evening, 
July 10, at 8 P. M., 642 Newark avenue, Jersey City. It is desired that 
all members will attend, as there is important club business to trans- 
act. 
The Climax Gun Club, of Plainfleld, N. J., will hold its regular club 
shoot on July 8, beginning at 2 P. M., at the club grounds, on South 
avenue, near Pun wood Station, ' 
