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FOREST AND STREAM. 
[Aug. 22, im. 
Programme for the Interstate Shoot at Marion, 
N. J. 
Thk programme gotten out for the Interstate Association's tourna- 
ment at Marlon, N. J., Sept. 8-9, has been received, and deserves 
special comment. In "Drivers and Twisters" last week we made an 
error in stating that the Novelty rule would be revived at this shoot. 
The statement was made on the strength of information which we 
considered reliable, but the fact remains that it was an error. The 
Novelty will not be used according to the programme. 
There are, however, plenty of interesting features in the pro- 
gramme, the main one being the four extra events shot at expert 
rule, one man up. These events will be 15-target events, 81.50 en- 
trance, four moneys. The programme events scheduled for each day 
are precisely similar. They are ten in number and call for 190 targets 
at an average entry fee of 10 cents per target, or 819 for the whole 
d»y. There are four 35-target events, four 20-target events and 
two 25-target events each day. All events are at unknown angles 
with the exception of No. 9 each day, 25 targets; this is at known 
angles, but has no money added to its purse. The club adds $75 a day, 
as follows: $5 to each purse in the 15-target events; $10 to each of the 
four 20-target purses, and $15 to the other 25-target event. 
Another special feature is the division of the purses. Around New 
York we have not had much opportunity for testing the practical 
workings of the Rose system, but the Endeavor Gun Club has re- 
quested that that system be adopted at this shoot. Accordingly all 
purses will be divided under that system, and we do not hesitate to 
say that all who come to Marion, N. J., on the above dates, and who 
take part in the sweepstakes shooting, will go away thoroughly satis- 
fled that at last a really equitable svstem of dividing purses has been 
devised. Forest and Stream was the first paper to advocate the gen- 
eral adoption of this system, and for many months it fought the fight 
alone. The good work done in this behalf is now bearing fruit far in 
excess of what was hoped for. Oome to Marion and see how the Rose 
system works. 
"Preparation day" for this shoot is merged into the annual Labor 
Day shoot of the Endeavor Gun Club. There will be shooting all day 
on Monday, Sent. 7. and in order that the Endeavor's club members 
and their visitors, who generally throng the traps on this occasion, 
many of whom cannot hope to compete with their more expert 
brothers, may be able to get a bit of cheap practice, the club an- 
nounces in the programme that anyone who wishes to do so may 
"shoot for birds only" on that date. 
The grounds at Marion are easily reached from New Tork city; 
they are, perliaps, best known to shooters as "Al Heritage's grounds." 
Many important matches have been shot on these grounds in days 
gone by, and many thousands of dollars have changed hands on the 
result of those matches. "Uncle Al" knew good birds, and knew 
where to get them ; hence the popularity of these grounds for match 
shooting. To reach Marion from this city, take either of the P. R. R. 
ferries at Cortlandt or Desbrosses streets. Frequent trains run to 
Mation station, P. R, R., where stages will be in waiting to convey 
shooters and their shells, etc., to the grounds, which are located 
about three-quarters of a mile from the depot. The time occupied by 
the train journey is about five minutes— short enough. The trip can 
also be made by trolley cars from the Jersey City side of the above 
ferries. These electric cars can make the run to Marion station in 
about twenty minutes, and are run on a headway of about ten 
minutes. Lunch wiU be provided on the grounds, of course. 
All shells and guns shipped in care of Von Lengerke & Detmold, 8 
Murray street. New York city, will be delivered at the grounds. The 
same firm will also have plenty of hand-loaded shells for sale on the 
grounds at $3 50 per 100. Information relative to the tournament will 
be cheerfully furnished by A. R. Strader, 371 New York avenue, Jersey 
City, N. J. 
The Bose System. 
Ohioaqo, 111., Aug. 4.— Editor Forest and Stream: The Rose system 
of dividing purses at tournaments has always seemed to me to be 
about the only one of the whole lot that really "touches the spot." 
It was naturally with great pleasure that I noted how Forest and 
Stream was doing yeoman service to the sport of trap-shooting by pub- 
lishing a simple example of how the Rose system worked. I am not 
much of a figurer myself, but even I could go to work now and in our 
club shoots at home pay out the purses promptly. Your trap edit-or, 
Mr. Banks, explained the system very thoroughly to me at the Mem- 
phis tournament, but I must say it is far easier to understand when 
one has a simple case placed in front of one, as you did in Forest and 
Stream o' July 11. 
When I first learned of the system, which was through your 
columns some months ago, I did not take much stock in it; in fact, I 
did not bother about it at aU. Then I went to the Charleston, S. C., 
tournament, where I met some very pleasant gentlemen, had a good 
time, thanks to the members of the Palmetto Gun Club, and also 
made a practical acquaintance with the mysteries of the Rose system. 
It was tried on the first day of the shoot, and we all liked it very 
much. Yet I did not quite understand how it worked, and was not 
able to explain it to my friends at home as I wanted to do. Now that I 
do understand it, you have made all further explanation unnecessary 
at least down where I live,- because we all take Forest and Stream. 
In the last two days I have had quite a talk with many of the shoot- 
ers who, like myself , are here not for our health, but to shoot live 
birds at John Watson's, and also to win the Du Pont cup. From what 
I can learn, there seems to be no opposition to the Rose system from 
any shooter who has tried it; whUe those who have not tried It merely 
express hazy doubts as to whether it Is the right thing. Such being the 
case, I felt like writing to Forest and Stream and letting it know just 
how I and hundreds of others think on this matter. 
Go ahead; the Rose system is all right. Corn Cob. 
It is really a shame that Corn Cob does not want his name to appear 
at the close of such a capital letter as the above. It would be a flttiDg 
climax to an honest expression of opinion, while the reputation of the 
writer as a trap-shot and as a square up-and-up shooter would add 
considerable weight to the sentiments he has expressed above. 
By this time he will have noticed that we gave In our issue of Aug. 8 a 
reproduction of the example he refers to as appearing in our Issue of 
July 11. Unfortunately, owing to carelessness on the part of some- 
body connected with the presswork. a portion of the example was left 
out, causing probably a little confusion in the minds of persons who 
were studying the workings of the Rose system aa therein set forth. 
To right the error we once more give the explanation of the system to 
be found in the programmes issued by the Interstate Association, and 
also an example of an actual sweep worked out on the plan adopted 
by the cashier of the Binghamton CN. Y.) Gun Club's tournaments: 
(1) Decide upon the number of moneys into which the purse is to 
be divided, and then find the ratio into which it will be divided from 
the following table: 
If into 
2 moneys— at the ratio of 5 to 3. 
3 moneys— at the ratio of 5 and 3 to 2. 
4 moneys — at the ratio of 5, 3 and 2 to 1. 
6 moneys— at the ratio of 8, 5, 3 and 2 to 1. 
8 moneys- at the ratio of 13, 8, 5, 3 and 2 to 1. 
(2) For the sake of example in working out this system, let us take 
a 15-target event, SI. 50 entrance, 4 moneys, 24 entries, $10 added to the 
purses, targets at 3 cents each. This will give us a net purse of $35.20, 
targets taking $10.80 out of the total purse. Suppose when the event 
has been shot there are three straight scores: one 14, four 13s and one 
12. Under the old percentage system of 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent, 
class shooting, it is manifest that the single 14 would have the best of 
the four men with straight scores, while the man with 12 would also 
be better off financially than either of the four men who broke one 
more target than he did. Under the Rose system this temptation to 
drop for place is done away with. Proof of this is given below: 
The ratio points are 5, 3 and 2 to 1. Therefore, 
No. of ties for Ist money 3X5=15 
No. of ties for 2d money 1X8= 3 
No. of ties for 3d money 4x2= 8 
No. of ties for 4th money 1x1= 1 
27>$35.20($1.30 
87 per ratio point. 
88 
81 
10 cents over 
eac^i man with 15 receives $1.30X5=$8.50 
each man with 14 receives 1,30X3= 3 90 
each man with 13 receives 130x2= 2.60 
each man with 12 receives 1,30X1= 180 
Under the system usually adopted at tournaments, the three men 
In for first money would have received $4.69 each; the man with 14 
alone taking second money, $10.56; the four men in for third money 
would have drawn down $1.76 each, but the shooter who had the luck 
to drop one moi e target would have received fourth money, $3.52, or 
just double. their share. 
It may seem from the above that the system is a (Complicated one, 
and would involve a great deal of work in the cashier's department. 
To disabuse one of this idea, we give an example of an event, the 
third event on the second day of the Iowa State tournament, working 
out the example by a system learned from the cashier at the Bing- 
hamton, N, Y., tournftment, It wiJI be noticeci that lie rules eaghpag^ 
off into five columns; in the first he enters the names of the shooters: 
in the second he places their respective scores. He then ascertains 
the place obtained by each man and puts in the third column the num- 
ber of points due to him. At the bottom of this column he figures up 
the total number of points, dividing the net purse by that sum. In 
the fourth column he places the amount due each man, checks it off 
as soon as the amount Is paid, or the cash equivalent placed in the pay 
envelope. The fifth column Is utilized for figuring the net purse and 
for finding the value of each point. 
Event No. 3. 15 targets. Entrance $1.50. Added money , 
No. of entries, 87. Price of targets, 8 cents, No. of moneys, 4. 
Grimm 
HoffDMin .... 
Gilbert 
Schrlcker. . . . 
Raisch 
Wehrend .... 
Minard 
Avery 
Webster..... 
Budd 
Trotter 
Miller 
Harbaugh . . . 
Couger 
Tucker 
VBoltenstern 
Jones 
Northrup 
Bosworth . . . 
MBoltenst'n 
Henry 
Cook 
Agard 
Foley 
HBoltensfrD 
Lewis 
Samuelson . . 
48 
Add amount over . . . 
3.35 
.67 
3.35 
1.34 
2.01 
.67 
.67 
3.35 
1.34 
2.01 
.67 
.67 
3.35 
1.34 
3.35 
.67 
3.35 
.24 
$3-3.40 
27 entries at $1.50 =$40.50 
Deduct for targets at acts. each= 8.10 
Net purse '. =$32.40 
48*)32.40(67 cents per point. 
288 
360 
336 
24 cents over. 
* Divide net purse by sum of the points. 
A more striking example of the curse of the old system was never 
afforded us than that which is mentioned by Mr. Hough in his able 
report of the Du Pont tournament, which appeared in our last issue. 
In his account of the team contest Mr. Hough gives ua a capital idea 
of the situation when Powers went to the score for the last tew birds. 
Had Mr. Powers been unfortunate to lose his last bird, and had there 
been the slightest expression of opinion that the bird had been lost on 
Eurpose, it would have been the fault of the system in use. We have 
eard several people say, when shooting under the Rose system: "I 
like this way of dividing purses, because it I do miss my last target 
the boys won't accuse me of 'dropping for place.' " 
la his letter to us, which appeared in our issue of Aug. 1, Push It 
makes a statement which is well worthy of further consideration: "In 
the many arguments against the dropper and denunciations of him, I 
never noted any denunciation of a dishonest system; for if it was dis- 
honest for the dropper to shoot for the place which resulted in the 
most profit and not shoot at his best. It was equally dishonest to 
force a shooter to compete under a system which beat him out of his 
just rewards." 
Audubon Gun Club, of Buffalo. 
Buffalo, N. Y., Aug. 8.— The scores made to-day at the weekly 
shoot of the Audubon Gun Club were as foUows: 
Events: 
Targets: 
Forrester, . 
Bennett... . 
P G Myers. 
Bird 
Norris. ... 
WHines, Jr 12 
J J Reid... 13 
A Coombs. 13 
T Tiddler.. 23 
18346678 
US 10 10 15 IB 25 15 15 
8 6 13 11 21 13 . . 
. 9 13 11 
7 6 6 7 23 14 . . 
8 5 9 11 
6 8 14 12 
, ... 11 17 17 8 . . 
.... 7 13 17 8 8 
20 
14 
17 
23 
13 8 18 
11 
Events: 1»3456?8 
Targets: S5 10 10 IS 15 Z5 15 15 
Johnshig... 22 8 
W A Eaton IS 9 7 8 8 13 .... 
U E Storey 12 ... . 7 .... 15 6 
MIddaugh. 20 .... 10 
Brandle.... 21 6 
Eiss 5 5 
Dr Daniels 9 14 8 
Sandy 12 10 15 
Rossiter... 19 19 7 10 
Norris won A class badge; Brandle and Tiddler tied for B class; 
MIddaugh won in C class badge. No. 1 event was badge.shoot ; all other 
events were at unknown angles; No. 7 was gun below elbow. 
Aug. IS.— The following scores were made to-day at Audubon Park: 
Events: 1 3 3 4 5 6 7 Events: 12 3 4 5 6 7 
Targets: 50 IS 15 10 15 10 15 
-Alexander.... 45 11 11 10 11 6 12 
Charles 44 15 12 10 12 8 14 
Sam Jones... 40 11 10 10 9 8 7 
McArtbur .... 36 10 11 9 13 8 14 
Kirkover 48 15 13 .. 14 7 15 
Targets: 50 15 15 10 IS 10 15 
Warren 44 
Norris 47 
McOarney .... 28 
Chamberlain.. 38 
.. 10 13 
12 8 10 
10 .. 10 
13 .. 11 
6 14 
,. 10 
Daniels 7 
No. 1 event was the second series of championship events; Kirkover 
won with 48 out of 50. Alexander was handicapped 1 bird by winning 
first series. No. 3 event was at 15 targets, expert rules; all others 
were at unknown angles, except No. 6, which was at 5 pairs, B. 
Omaha Gun Club. 
Omaha, Neb., Aug. 1.— Below are the scores made to-day by mem- 
bers of the Omaha Gun Club at the club's regular shoot: 
Hughes 1111111111111111111111111-26 
Carmlchael...... 1111111111111111111111111—25 
Whitener .....S. ..,.1111111111011111111111111—24 
Parmelee .............11111111^011111110111111—23 
Loomis , 1111111110111011111111111-13 
Kenyon llOllllllllllOlllllllllll— S« 
Read lOlllliOlllllOlllllllllll— S3 
Brucker .,,.1101111111100111111111111—22 
McFarlane ..0111111101111011011111111— 31 
Bmead. .« , ., ,„ ..11111 1111111111100111100-21 
Blake ......... . . : . ..0110 1101101111011111 1 111—20 
Dickey. OllOOUlOOllllllllllllOll— 19 
Johannes 1111111111101111010110010—19 
Randlett. OllllOllOnillOllOlllOllO-38 
Raymond,..,. .v..., ..1110101101101101100011111— 17 
Edwards ...1111101110100101010011011-16 
Peters 1111111100010100101010010—14 
Aug. S.— Below are the scores made to-day at our weekly shoot 
Whitener 1111011111111111111011011—23 
Carmichael i ; i i i ..10111111111011101111111 II— 23 
Blake .1011111101011111011111111— 21 
Loomis 1111101111011110111111110-21 
Johannes 1111110011011111111111011—21 
Randlett 0111111010111110111110101—19 
McFarlwe,, , M....,M nrMMit- n- ••• 'r'--' ■ •0"0111111""00100100001-15 
■ ^. D. Kknyon, Sec'y. 
Team Bace at Springfield, Mass. 
Springfield, Mass., Aug. 15 — Below are the scores made to day in 
the Springfield-Windsor Locks team race, Springfield winning by 19 
breaks: 
Springfield. 
Merritt, captain 0111111111101110111111011—81 
Busbee 0011011101100110001010100—12 • 
Eaton .1001111101110110101111111-19 
Lathrop.......................... 0101111000010110111011011-15 
Holcomb .1111111101111111001111111— 22 
Jordan ,„.,..,. .0101100011011110111111111—18 
Folsom.......,,. ........1111101011110011101001111—18 
Hawes , 1111101100101111011000111—17 
Gruendler ..,.„ 1110001011011111111110101—18—160 
Windsor Locks. 
Sadler .....,...„»„,„,, 0000110000100001101011010— 9 
Coogan., .. i. ...^ OOOOOIOOOIOIOIOI 101000010— 8 
Arnold ■l""0?M0011TO1110m^ 
Cutler . . i. . . i ,. lOOOl 010111111110000101 11— 15 
Pitkin. 1111110111111111111111111—23 
Vidian 1011111110111111111110101—21 
Douglass 1111000001111111111111101—19 
Harvey 1001111110100110101111110—17 
Grlswold, captain 0101001000101111101110111—15—141 
Marietta Gun Club. 
Marietta, Ga. , Aug. 13.— Below are the scores made in to-day's 
club shoot. Conditions: 25 targets, unknown angles: 
Black ?.... 0111110111111111101110111-21 
Mamy 0000111111011000111110011-15 
HUllard " 1111011011000111101101011—17 
Stephens' .0111011001010010101011001-13 
Sanders " . illllliOOOOOOlOOOlOllOOOl— 13 
Meinert. 1010100011111111111101110—18 
Setze 1111111101111011011011110-20 
Austin". . ... , 1000110011000111011010111—14 
Reynolds. " 0001100000101111101100011—12 
Mosher 0111010111100110010010110—14 
W. J. Black, Sec'y. 
Heikes vs. Budd-Marshall. 
Chicago, 111., Aug. 9.— RoUa Heikes shot a race to-day against the 
Budd-Marshall combination. The conditions were 50 singles, expert 
rule, and 25 pairs; Budd shooting the singles and Marshall the pairs. 
In the singles Heikes broke 44 to Budd's 43, and 40 out of the pairs to 
Marshall's 38, making his total 84 to the com oination's 81. Scores: 
B O Heikes. . .11111111111111111111101111111111100111110100111111-44 
10 11 11 11 11 01 10 11 10 10 11 11 10 
11 11 10 11 01 11 10 11 10 11 11 11 —40—84 
0 W Budd 11111110111111111111101110100111111011111111111110—13 
TAMarshaU 01 11 10 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 11 10 
11 10 10 11 10 11 11 01 01 11 11 11 -38-81 
Washington Park Gun Club, of Kansas City. 
Kansas City, Mo., Aug. 5.— The Washington Park Gun Club held its 
monthly shoot here this afternoon and did some remarkably good 
work, five of the contestants making straight scores. The birds were 
a mixed lot, generally poor, but now and then a fast one. The scores 
were: 
B Quick 118111111011001 
L Scott 111112110111011 
W Moore 122121110111111 
-12 
-13 
-14 
Dave Elliott. . . .111111311112111— 15 
C 0 Smith 211122113331211—15 
W B Cosby 222111-202231233-14 
T A Fernkas... 120000313130231— 10 
W W Herman.. 112211303311120— 13 
A F Rickmers. .231212212212212—15 
Fred Lamb 233321311121221—15 
N Jarrett 112113132818112—15 
Jack Doxon. . . .112111203331111—14 
Nute KeUey. , . .121201100111132— 18 
J RMUes 211111111111110-14 
J 0 Higdon 320111311201110—12 
Dave Elliott, Sec'y. . 
No notice taken of anonymous communications 
B. W., DBS Moines, la.— We do not know of any firm supplying 
designs for tattooing. 
New York Squirkkl and Rabbit Season.- It was stated in our 
Answers last week that the "close" season for squirrels, hares and 
rabbits in New York was from Oct. 15 to Feb. 15. Of course, for 
•'close" was meant "open." 
T. S. B,, Elba, O.— In the game laws of Ohio our native ruffed grouse 
or pheasant is not mentioned. Can we kill them from Sept. 1 to Dec. 
15 or not? Ans. Reference to the Qame Laws in 5rie/ shows that the 
Ohio law has been amended this year so that there Is no close time 
whatever on ruffed grouse as to shooting them; but It is forbidden to 
have ruffed grouse in possession except between Nov. 10 and Dec. 15. 
We presume that the omission of the ruffed grouse in the section pre- 
scribing shooting seasons was unintentional. 
J. H. B., Tacoma, Wash.- Are there many reptiles in the United 
States of similar construction to the glass snake of Texas? I recently 
found a small lizard whose tail came apart In the same way as that of 
the glass snake, having similar joints in the flesh. Ans. Many, if not 
most small lizards, have this protective weakness of the tail, and if 
seized by this member it breaks off and the animal escapes. About 
midway between the two extremities of each caudal vertebra there is 
a point of feeble ossification, and the exertion of any slight force will 
break the bone off. A lizard that has thus lost its tail usually grows 
a new one, but usually not so long as the original tail. 
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Rifles and Riflemen. 
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little book of artistic construction which is sent free for the asking by 
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The Stevens Company has long been known for the excellence of its 
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The Savage Rifle. 
The catalogue of the Savage Repeating Arms Co., Utica, N. Y., eon- 
tains much of Interest relative to the modern small-bore smokeless pow- 
der rifle. It reproduces a number of very creditable targets made 
with Savage rifles, and prints letters from hunters who have used the 
.30cal. on game, including the account of Lieut. Von Honel's two 
rhinoceros at one shot with the fuli-mantled bullet, as narrated by 
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The partnership existing between Lawrence & Lichtenstein, 39 Beek- 
man street, New York, has been dissolved, Mr. P. Lichtenstein having 
purchased the Lawrence interest. Mr. lichtenstein will continue in 
the business at 218 Fulton street, and will collect all outstanding ac- 
counts and settle all bills against the Q.Tm.—Adv. 
Trout for Stocking. 
The Plymouth Rock Trout Co., of Plymouth, Mass., issues an inter^ 
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cheaply, so that any one may stock streams or lakes without going to 
the expense of a hatching house or elaborate outfit. It will be sent 
free for the asking.— ^du 
Notice to Gun Clubs. 
Shooting matches supplied with live pigeons at shortest notice at 
reasonable prices. 'Write to Louis C. Kistner, 813 South Howard 
street, Baltimore, K&.—AdAh 
The Acme Shell. 
The Union Metallic Cartridge Co. announce that the "Acme" shell 
replaces the "Walsrode," not the "Smokeless," as has been stated.— 
Adv. ■ 
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