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FOREST AND STREAM. 
[Jau. 23, 1897. 
Spoi*tsman« Guide and Game. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
In your issue of Jan. 9 I have read: "Who Owns the 
Game Killed by the Guide?" as discussed by Mr. Shaganoss. 
Without going into details in regard to his opinions and 
conclusions as to who owns the guide's game, I wish to 
bring the matter at once to a common-sense business point 
of view. 
First. The same relations exist between employer and 
employee in the relation of hunter and guide as in any 
other business the world over. 
Second. Some amateur sportsman wishes to take a 
week's vacation grouse shooting. He goes to some faror- 
able locality. He finds he will have to pay: $2 per day 
for his board, $2.50 per day for his guide and dog, $2.50 
per day for his team and wagon — a total of $7; and at the 
end of the week he finds that his shooting venture has 
cost him .$42, besides his railroad fare and incidental ex- 
penses, and the net result of his week's shooting has been 
fifteen grouse. He has killed three himself and his guide 
has killed twelve. He has paid his hotel bill, $12; his 
livery bill, $i5, and the daily wages of his guide, $15; and 
when he supposes he has paid everybody a good price for 
everything that has been done for him, up steps his 
guide and demands that he must be paid $1.25 per pair 
for all the grouse he (the guide) has killed. In my opin- 
ion this guide has no more right to demand and receive 
pay for the grouse killed imder the above circumstances 
than a highway robber has to stop his victim on the road 
at the muzzle of a shotgun and demand his money or his 
life. 
Third. If the sportsman makes a definite bargain with 
every man he comes in contact with, that settles the 
question at once. 
Fourth. My shooting experience extends back over 
twenty-five years, and I never heard of a guide making a 
demand for the pay of birds killed as above untillast fall, 
when the fact came to my notice. I suggested to my 
friend that we hunt close up each side of our boarding- 
house keeper's market-shooting guide, and the result was 
that at the end of two days' shooting the guide failed to 
bag a single bird. But there is no satisfaction in shoot- 
ing under suoh circumstances, and I do not care to come 
in contact with that sort of people a second time. 
Fifth. If any boarding-house keeper or his hired 
guides wish to shoot any grouse or woodcock for the 
market, they are free to do so at any time and in any 
way they choose, as they are simply pot-hunters pure and 
simple for the money there is in it; but not after they 
have bargained and sold their day's services to some 
sportsman for two or three dollars per day and received 
the money in payment for the same. 
A Buscmss Man. 
Jkhsbt Cm, N. J. 
Iowa Needs Game Wardens. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Iowa has good laws for the preservation of game with- 
in her borders, but omfortunately no game wardens. 
Consequently the laws are about as useful as a watch 
would be to a hog, for what's no one's special business is 
truly no one's business, and the violator works his own 
sweet will. The killing of quail and prairie chickens is 
practiced, I think, without many exceptions, in every 
county in the State in the closed season. There needs to 
be great education along these lines in Iowa. I 
wish it were possible to place the Forest and 
Stbeam in the hands of every shooter in the State. 
I do not use the term sportsmen, since there are within 
the State of Iowa "true sportsmen," and to claas the 
game hog and pot-hunter as sportsmen would inflict 
needless injury on deserving men who observe the laws 
and give the game a chance for its life. 
In Iowa there are more quail and chickens than for 
many years previous. Cannot something be done to 
have a game warden and deputies in each county to pro- 
tect the rights of those who do not shoot in the closed sea- 
son? Is there not a sportsmen's association in the State 
who will take the initiative in this? I feel sure they will 
be ably assisted in any way by all gun clubs to secure such 
officers as are necessary to eiiforce the laws. I presume 
this vicinity would represent a good portion of the State. 
Here we have violators, two of whom are very persistent 
and offensive, havine shot and killed quail all last winter 
up to as late as March. This winter promises to be a rep- 
etition of last. I am in favor of having a closed season 
on all game, and have it all closed during the same time. 
Then no one can go to kill quail out of season under pre- 
text of going to kill rabbits, which are not protected. 
Any other Iowa sportsman got anything to say? 
One who Observes the Law. 
Long Island Ducks. ' 
Sayvillb, L. I., Jan. 16, — Large bags of ducks, most of 
them redheads, have been killed in the Great South Bay 
from here this week. The outlook is for birds here in the 
open water to give good shooting. Say. 
"That reminds me." 
Neither Gun Kicked. 
Speaking of geese reminds me of the famous shot made 
by Uncle CHaries and Evan Richmond. One windy day 
in the fall Uncle Charles saw a flock of geese that were 
evidently very tired struggling against the wind, and he 
judged from their course that they would alight on a lake 
some three miles distant. So he loaded up the old gun 
with a fox charge and a little more, as he afterward ac- 
knowledged, then rolling up the g\m in the horse blanket 
he harnessed up his horse and was soon on the road to the 
lake. Evan also had spotted the geese and had loaded up 
his gun, as he said, with a rouser, and started on foot 
after them, and was overtaken by Uncle Charles when 
about halfway to the lake. They entered into a treaty 
of alliance and agreed to join forces for the campaign. 
Arriving at the head of the lake, the horse was hitched 
and they started along the shore in quest of the game, 
which was finally discovered at just about the proper dis- 
tance below a brush fence, all of them in line along the 
sandy beach, pruning their feathers. After a consulta- 
tion it was decided that Evan wa^ to hold on to the sec- 
ond goose, while Uncle Charles should draw a bead at 
about the middle of the line, and then on hands and knees 
they crawled up to the fence,and,poking their guns through 
and getting a good aim, there was a whispered one-two- 
three and then two reports that seemed but one. There 
was a struggling mass of geese on the sandy beach, with 
but one solitary one in the air; all the rest were either 
killed outright or disabled. One, wing broken, swam out 
into the lake, and one other, also wing broken, took to the 
woods; both of them being captured within a few days. 
When our two Nimrods had secured the remainder they 
took account of stock and found that they had fourteen 
on hand, with two more that were disabled, making six- 
teen in all out of a flock of seventeen, which was a pretty 
good average for two single-barrel guns. 
When Uncle Charles came home and showed his seven 
geese and told his story, I asked him if the old gun 
kicked. With a queer grimace he said, "No-o, not much, 
but Evan got knocked heels over head." 
A few days later I saw Evan, and after he had told me 
the story I also asked him if his gun kicked. "No-o," 
said he, "but you ought to have seen Charles, with his 
face all covered with dirt as he crawled out of that brush 
heap that was more than 10ft. from where he was when 
he shot." Shadow. 
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PENNSYLVANIA ASSOCIATION. 
Philadelphia, Jan. 16. — The annual meeting of the 
Pennsylvania Fish Protective Association was held Satur- 
day evening, Jan. 9, 1897, at the rooms, 1020 Arch street, 
Philadelphia, and was well attended. 
The annual report of the executive committee, containiDg 
a detail of the operations for the year 1896, was ordered to 
be printed for distribution. 
The legislation committee submitted a lengthy report of 
its work in cooperation -with a similar committee of (he 
Fish Commission to secure the coditication of the laws for 
the protection of fish, and recommended numerous changes, 
among which were fixing the minimum size at which trout 
could he taken at 6in. instead of 5in,, and black bass at 9in. 
instead of 6in. ; making the open season for the capture of 
pickerel fi-om May 30 to Jan. 1; and that penalties be made 
mandatory instead of discretionary throughout; also, to 
have an act passed establishing auxiliary hatching stations 
in different parts of the State by permitting individuals or 
organizations to erect them on closed streams, a proportion 
of the fry to be retained by the organization and the remain- 
der to be distributed free under the direction of the Fish 
Commissioners in open streams, tbereb.y giving opportunity 
for a stricter law governing trespassing; the committee 
will also present a bill to prevent the pollution of streams. 
The committee are endeavering to secure reciprocal legis- 
lation with the State of Delaware for the protection of j&sh 
by restricting in some measure the use of pound nets in the 
lower Delaware River and Bay, which is so taken up with 
them that fish have little chance to reach their spawning 
beds. 
The death of George W. Reader, one of the oldest mem- 
bers of the Association, well known to anglers in Philadel- 
phia and New York, was announced, and a committee ap- 
pointed to prepare a suitable memorial. 
The press, membership and legislation committees pre- 
sented resolutions, which were adopted, authorizing the 
printing of a number of circular letters urging concurrent 
action in behalf of the fishery interests, copies of which will 
be forwarded to all local organizations of kindred character 
and the newspaper press of the State. The following reso- 
lution was adopted : 
Whereas, The steady increase in size and number of what are 
known as pound nets along the seacoast of the State of New Jersey 
has recently been so great as to be truly alarming, and in a marked 
degree detrimental to the interests of the people of that State, and 
in the most extended sense injurious to the natural increase of food 
fishes along the almost entire seacoast of that State; and 
Whereas, The erection and maintenance of such pound nets is 
clearly and unmistakably an infraction of the rights of the people of 
the State of New Jersey as well as of the people of adjacent States, 
who have in all past time derived their supply of fresh food fish 
mainly from the waters in which said destructive devices have been 
placed, giving the organization or trust which owns and controls 
them the power to make prices to suit themselves, and which prices, 
it is conceded, are much higher than they would be if fair competi- 
tion prevailed ; therefore, be it 
Resolved by the Pennsylvania Pish Protective Association, that it 
regards the erection and maintenance of such large and so many 
pound nets in the waters named as an indefensible outrage upon pop- 
ular rights, and at the same time the most destructive agencies ever 
devised for the capture of gravid flsh, and the consequent impair- 
ment of the natural products of- the waters of the sea, which v/dl ul- 
timately lead to the final extinction of the various kinds of fish that 
do their spawning in the estuaries. 
Resolved, That the Pennsylvania Fish Protective Association heart- 
ily approves of the energetic and determined efforts of the State 
Fishery Commissioners of New Jersey to induce the Legislature of 
that State to enact a law whicb will compel the removal of said pound 
nets, and throw the fishing interests of ihe State open to free compe- 
tition. 
Resolved, That a copy of this preamble and resolutions be forwarded 
to the presiding ofQcers of the Senate and of the House of Repre- 
sentatives of the State of New Jersey; alsoto the Governor of said 
State, and the Board of Fishery Commissioners thereof. 
The following officers were elected for the ensuingyear: President, 
Edwin Hagert; Vice-Presidents: Dr. Bushrod W. James, Geo. T. 
Stokes, Wm. P. Thompson ; Secretary, Marion G. Sellers; Correspond- 
ing Secretary, J. F. Collins; Treasxirer, Alfred Hand; Executive Com- 
mittee: Howard A. Chase, Wm. H. Burkhardt, Dr. W. W. McClure, 
Wm. E. Meehan, Edw. A. Selliez, Charles H, Thompson, Bernard L. 
Douredoure, Wm. P. Ogelsby, S. E. Landis; Tmstee (three years), H. 
O, Wilbur. 
M. G. Selleks, Seo'y. 
Fisheries and Game Committee of the New 
Tork Liegislature. 
The Fisheries and Game Committee of the Assembly are: 
Messrs. Hobbie, Washington; Dudley, Niagara; Mackey, 
Delaware; Rounds, Cayuga; Laimbeer, New York; Gor- 
ham, Otsego; H. T Andrews, New York; Ten Eyck, Onon- 
daga; J. J. Sullivan, New York; P. J. Andrews, New 
York; Fritz, New. York. 
Death of John Watt. 
Poet Abthitb, Canada. — Editor Forest and Stream: I . 
am sorry to inform some of the readers of Fobest ani> 
Stream of the death of John Watt, the famous guide on 
the Nipigon River. He was much sought after by the 
sportsmen tourists who took a pleasure in fishing the Nipi- 
gon, and will he yery miich xpissed by his old friends. 
4omx E. Newsomb. 
FISH AND PAIN. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Now that winter is upon us in earnest, we of rod, of gun 
and of paddle can only watch the hearth fires snap and 
flash, and dozing think on the far-off summer days. As- 
sorting and laying away for the winter a lot of fishing tackle 
the other night, I was reminded of a prolonged discussion 
in Forest and Stream not long ago as to the sensibility of 
fish to pain. My last day's fishing of the season brought 
out some instances of seemingly striking disregard for 
wounds. We were after sea bass off Execution Light in 
the Sound, and were bothered by innumerable "cunners," 
or burgalls. These bait thieves were tossed back again by 
the score, until we began to suspect that some 'were coming 
up for a second toss, like the Sunday-school boys at a picnic 
sneaking back again into the ice cream line. So we watched 
carefully. First I landed one hooked just in front of the 
tail. The big hook tore a long gash when removed, and in 
less than five minutes a fish of the same size and shape and 
similarly wounded bit and was brought up hooked squarely 
through the lip. Two other wounded fish were landed, and 
then one which I had hooked through the belly just back of 
the pectoral fins so that the entrails protruded was brought 
up again, having deeply swallowed the point of the Dig 
hass hook. 
Earlier in the season I hooked a black bass one morning 
at Lake Waramaug and almost landed him when he broke 
away, tearing hia under jaw so badly that a piece of it hung 
on the hook. Again he bit and I had him in the net and 
near enough to observe the wounded mouth when a quick 
flip restored him to liberty once more. A.fter casting a iiesb 
minnow over by the same lilypads I felt something take hold, 
and after a hard tussle landed, and this time kept him of the 
lacerated jaw. I am prepared to swear that this was the 
same identical bass. 
Last April a friend and I fished a Connecticut brook for 
trout, and he fishing after me in a deep pool hooked- and 
landed a ^ pounder which still had deep in his maw my No. 
2 anelled Aberdeen with a couple of feet of my silk line at- 
tached. 
This incident was firmly fixed in my mind by the fact that 
I was. prepared to tell him how I hooked and lost a Uib. 
trout in that hole, when he produced the very flsh and ap- 
plied a 66| per cent, discount. 
Many somewhat similar events in past seasons convince 
me that whether the fish feel pain or not, the suft'ering is 
slight as compared with the cravings of hunger, and their 
actions seem to indicate rather that the injuries mcon 
venience or retard them than that they cause any actual 
agony, H, Prescott Beach. 
Jan. 13. 
The TTrsuline Convent at Roberval. 
Editqr Forest and Stream: 
No lover of the "Treatyse of Fysshynge wyth an Angle" 
who credits its authorship to Dame Juliana Barnes will hesi- 
tate to acknowledge his deep indebtedness thei-efor to the 
dear old Prioress of the Benedictine Nunnery of Sopwell, 
and few visitors to Roberval, on their way to fish for ouau- 
aniche in the Lake St, .John waters, have failed to see and 
hear of theUrsuline Convent at that place, or to be told what 
is owed to the good sisters of that institution by the wives 
and sisters of the younger generation of guides and the 
daughters of the older settlers of the Lake St. John dis- 
trict. 
The daily papers have made known to many of your read- 
ers the awful catastrophe that befell the Roberval Convent on 
Jan. 6, when the entire building with its contents became 
the prey of the flames and seven of the nuns were burned lo 
ashes. Most of the survivors returned to Quebec. A few 
remain at Roberval, declining to desert the mission they had 
undertaken. They are at present at Du Tremblay's Hotel, 
but are looking for means to rebuild, and unfortunately had 
but little insurance on the old building. The Government of 
the Province will give them some small aid. Protestants 
and Catholics alike in Quebec are manifesting their practical 
sympathy with the sufferers. 
A few of us Canadian anglers will offer a brick or two for 
the new building as a mark of sympathy, not only for the 
good nuns themselves, but for the sturdy, yet respectful and 
obliging French- Canadian population of Lake tit. John, to 
whom they minister. 
It has occurred to me, Mr. Editor, that yon might permit 
me, by means of this letter, to suggest in the columns of 
Forest and Stream that there are possibly brother anglers 
of mine in the United States who would like to do the same. 
E. T. D. Chambers. 
QoKBEC, Can., Jan. 11. 
Will Black Bass Rise to the Fly in September 
and October in New England Iiakes? 
Many claim they will not take flies except in June, the 
spawning time. 
I have been to Maine for many years in June, Not being 
able to go that month in 1895, I fished the two large lakes at 
Belgrade Mills, Me,, about Sept. 9, for a few days, and 
caught a fair number, but no large bass. Best flies were 
silver-doctor, ibis, yellow-may, Ferguson, Parmachener- 
belle and Lord Milford; found dark flies of litlie value AH 
the fish were under l^lbs. weight; they fought well, being 
in belter condition than in June, and were taken among 
boulders in coves and off rocky points ; islands not as good ; 
medium length casts, a good ripple not seeming as necessary 
as in June. Three other anglers there had similar succei-s. 
I have talked with many anglers and guides in Jilaine 
about September bass fly-fishing, but few seem to know 
anything about the subject. The Lord Milford I have made 
by taking a yellow may that had lost its wings and tying on 
two scarlet feathers, thus making a fly with yellow body and 
hackle with scarlet wings, which proved a good fly. 
I quote authorities from notes taken since 1892 from dif- 
ferent books and papers read. In 'American Game Fish" Dr. 
J. A. Henshall says: "The best season for fly-fishing for 
black bass in the central and northern States is in May and 
June, also September and October." 
H-a-Uock' 8 Sportsman's Gazetteer: "Black bass from Sept. 15 
to Oct. .31 are found in water (rivers) 3 to 4ft. in depth near 
boulders out in the stream." 
In American Angler, W. C. Harris, speaking of East 
Branch, N. Y., says: "In dusk of evening as late as Sept. 
15, if weather is mild, the bass feed in shallow water and 
take flies with avidity." In the same journal a writer, 
speaking of black bass of the Potomac River, tells of fly- 
fishing in September by several Washington anglers with 
ibis and brown hackle, and states that about all are bait 
fishers in this locality. This was in Junei 
