Jan. 2, 1897.] 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
Trap at Chicago. 
CAEVBR— 147, 
Chicago, HI., Dec. 91.— As -wired to Fobbst and Stream, Di-. Carver 
to-day defeated 147 fJ. L. Win^toa) in ttie third and fourth races of the 
six in which they have been engaged. The conditions were, as given 
earlier, .50 live birds, $50 a side, A. S. A. rules, A very small crowd 
gathered to see the events, though the number of spectators was 
larger in the afternoon . Among those from outside the city were: 
Messrs. W. F. Ellis, of Winnipeg; E. E. Ellis, of Seattle; A. P. Pentz, 
of the Spralts Patent, New York; C.M.Wills, of Cleveland, the lat- 
ter representing the Austin Cartridge Co. The birds were brisk and 
strong. The wind was light from northwest by west, making it blow 
from the score at a left-quartering angle. This prevailed till near 
the end of the first race, when the wind shifted to blow in, though 
but weakly. It became apparent to those who have known the his- 
tory of Watson's several parks that the new park is not by any 
means so good as the old one, which was very fast. As the grounds 
are now laid out they are not fast, for the wind does not often 
blow in such direction "that the birds will ru^e outgoers, as was the 
case on the old grounds. Instead of these grounds being the hardest 
in this part of the country, they are now no harder than many others. 
The position of the score cannot be changed, for the firing would 
then be toward a street which runs by the side of the gate. 
Carver fto-day shot in fine form, and with his usual elegance of 
style. Winston was plainly not in the form of last week, and his 
nerves were not working^ae smoothly as they should. At times he 
was swift and accurate, and again he waited an apparently inter- 
minable time with his first or his second. At times he thus got down 
long and hard kills, but the style will rot win races, and it lost him 
too many birds to land him first, though in long reaches of the race 
he showed a brilliant gait, and kept up the favorable impression he 
made last week as to his improvement and style. Score: 
THIRn MATCH. 
Trap score type— Copyright, isn, by Forest and Stream PubHahing Co. 
342443525233452 3 314513542 
....1 1121 1122201222.12222012 S-23 
Carver 
147 
42 3 43425332345254452342 3 5 
23 2 22ai-2 231«122111222122 2-24-46 
21333 3 5312524343234323251 
•«^-><«^tT t \ H \ / '^ 4- <- \ ^ J" 
. .2 2222«0222222222»3222222 2—33 
1331325114344132431345351 
022 2 022222222 2 2222320232 3—23-44 
After the first match all hands went in for lunch, and it seemed to 
have" a bad effect, for at the beginning of the nest race both men 
shot like rank amateurs, slobbering their birds as though they had 
never shot at pigeons before. Carver's score does not show the qual- 
ity of this shooting, for in his first dozen birds he was in great luck, 
some of his birds falling up close to the wire, and one actually strik- 
irg the wire and falling back inside. The birds were strong and 
good, none being flagged in the 200 shot at in the two races. Carver's 
luck at the first half dozen birds gave him inspiration, and he came 
on in good shape. Winston, on the other hand, seemed breaking up, 
and made two or three rank misses at easy birds which he should 
have cut to pieces. Carver increased his win of 3 birds in the first 
match by going out 7 ahead in the second. Scores: 
FOURTH MATCH. 
Trap seorp type— Copyright, 1697, by Forest and Stream Publishing Co. 
23434844435458333334535 35 
147 •Jl 2232323302023322303323 2-31 
41 
Carver, 
3 525555434144431853443511 
023323320322023232202«22 2—20- 
4 123145513131534 3 2152548 3 
.3222231128122112 0 11322212 -24 
833333 1243212833121532335 
i ^ i^-> 'V^T' \ t ^ -> \ ii^' ^ t 1^ 
012231232121113 2 2132322 13- 
24-^8 
JDec. SS.—To day Dr. Carver and Winston continued their interest- 
ing argument with two more races, which also were against the 
man from Cleveland. Winston was now fast breaking up and not in 
any wise shooting as the same man who beat George Roll so deci- 
sively last week. The weather was wretched, as only Chicago 
weather could be, and Winston had been suffering with neuralgia for 
three days. He had made a diet of quinine, soup and coffee, and 
this, with the many worries to which he had been sutijected here, 
now began to show a very natural effect. He practically went to 
pieces, and did what he was never known to do in a race before, 
evincing a marked nervousness in his shooting. He more than once 
shot into the ground wide of his birds, and once actually missed 
a sitting bird with his second, thus driving the bird out and 
losing it. Winston's going off form deprived the races of much 
of their natural interest, as everyone knows he' does not belong 
as low as 39 or 38 out of 50 on any sort of birds, even 
the very fast ones which were served to-day. Dr. Carver 
could not to day repeat his score oC 94 of yesterday, but 
was able to do 90, which needed fast and fine shooting 
as it was. The wind to-day came from back of the score, and 
the birds ruled much faster and harder, the number of incomers be- 
ing much less. Carver gave a fine exhibition of shooting, though 
with no one to crowd him. Winston, who was really a sick man, 
came home at night much cast down, and required the persuasion of 
his friends to convince him that he was still a shooter. He could not 
see why he could not Uve on quinine and coffee and still be a good 
shot. It was apparent to his friends that he was game as ever, but 
had not the physical constitution to carry out what his will asked of 
his body. He was advised to try a little food and sleep, and this he 
had time to do, for his next race did not fall until Thursday, this 
giving him a clear day for rest. In the opinion of his intimate 
friends the real cause of Winston's breaking up was not in the close- 
ness of his races, but in the mental worries and troubles to which he 
has for several days been subjected. He was shooting under verj- 
great strain, and there comes a time to every man when the strain 
becomes too much. Following are the scores: 
BTPTH MATCH. 
JVoj) aeore type— Copyright, 1897, by Forest and Stream FxtblUhing Co. 
3 1 2 5 5 5 3 5-4 4 1 3 1 1 2 2 1 2 5 3 4 3 2 3 4 
Carver .,..2 20220222121102212222228 3—22 
3343543344321122532443324 
22201 2322202222a22222322 2—23—45 
58434533 3 1311233 3 23422244 
147, 2 2 2 3 0 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 0 2 2 3 3 0 3 2 2-20 
32535246383325331. 3 2323333 
22208022202320 2 233202322 0—19-39 
SIXTH MATCH. 
■8 4323223i32524252352342 3 3 
Carver 2 2103102a3221222aa232223 2—23 
147. 
3234544251242258333222222 
2 0 2 2 0 2 2 3 1 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 0 3 2 2.2 1 2 2-22- 
4331553452212441123255543 
,.2 222220322222020222022222 -31 
-45 
•3 114 3 42252342213333223212 
00232020220203223023 2 033 3—17-38 
This result leaves Dr. Carver winner of four out of the six matches 
for which he challenged Winston, but also leaves the latter winner 
of his side bet of §100, so that the men broke even financially, and 
Winston more than accomplished all that he was bound to do by the 
terms of the matches. He expressed himself as vindicated by the 
vpinningjjjjJiis side bet, but much mortified that he mide such a poor 
showing iiPthe last matches. Both he and all who knew the circum- 
stances commended Dr. Carver for making good his original propo- 
sition, which it is not now likely be will make over again, 
CARVER- GRIMM. 
Dec. SS.— To day, Wednesday, was the time set for the match for 
the Cast Ircn medal indicative of the live-bird championship, Dr. 
Carver, holder of same by forfeit, having been challenged by Charlie 
Grimm, of Clear Lake. Ia„ to shoot for this rugged emblem. This 
time Carver kept up his good form, but he was not good enough to 
win, the lows strong man going out ahead after one of the most re- 
markable races, or rather one of the most remarkable scores, ever 
shot in the country. The scores are not so good as they look on 
paper, for the birds were shot in a snowstorm and did not fly at all, 
but even had they been tied at the traps the score of 98 birds in the 
air is a great one, and one but rarely seen on any grounds. It is the 
largest made on these groimds since Charlie Budd shot Prank Kleintz, 
scoring 98, with one or two dead out, I do not remember which. 
That race I saw, and it was under harder conditions than this of to- 
day, for it was in flying weather. 
To-day the sky was lowering and the light which came through the 
fluff of snow was dim, coppery and dull. One could hardly see to 
score the race, arid a bird a little way beyond the traps was like a 
gray ghost. Confused by the storm, the birds did not know which 
way to fly, and the majority rose high in the air above the traps, 
flopping up slowly, and then heading" for the buildings as soon as 
they saw tbem. This made them rvile high side shots, so it was likel 
chopping off their heads with a hatchet. Not a dozen birds went out 
with anything like speed, and of these half were missed, the men 
being unable to quicken up the slow time which the other shooting 
demanded of tneai. It was a most monotonous affair, and of course 
not even the men engaged in it could call it a good pigeon race. It 
was simply a day for a record, and the opportunity was not allowed 
to escape. By this no wish to belittle the sbootiog is expressed, for 
as all know it is very easy to miss somewhere in 100 shots, and on 
even the easiest of birds the gun, the load and the man must be just 
right or there will be a slip somewhere. Grimm shot in perfect 
form or he could not have done what he did. Carver was in prac- 
tically equal form or he could not have come up within two birds of 
such a score. One could not ask a day more perfect for killing a 
thousand straight, but if this had been proposed one could not have 
picked a man more apt to do it on that day than the one who all but 
killed a hundred straight. The two birds that Grimm lost were quick 
flyers that got up and away too far for the second to stop 
them. Both these were drivers, but both were high at the time 
the second wa? fired. I have marked many birds in the score with 
the letter H. While such birds did not actually hover over the trap, 
they were really nearer hoverers than flyer.s. the height gained m 
their flight at the time they were struck being greater than their dis- 
tance from the trap. Reference to the score sheet shows the letter 
F four times, indicating that that many bu-ds were flagged to 
start. The style of the shooting requires small comment. It may 
be seen that it was regular and methodical to the extreme. Carver 
was surprised when told he had but half a dozen more birds to shoot 
at. If there was any luck in the race it fell to Carver, who came 
near faUing back another bird on his 96th. that bird being retrieved 
by the pointer Cyclone almost against the wire. Carver's 40th, 45th, 
48th, 52d, 61st and 76t.h birds were among his hardest. His 95th was 
a high twister, but not fast. His 14th bird was luckily stopped at 
his very feet. The race had few of the interesting features of a hot 
match on fast birds, and so was a much tamer affair than all who 
noted the matching of these two good ones had hoped to see. Grimm 
ran his first 51 straight, and dropped his two lost birds inside the 
first 60, running 41 straight on the home reach. Carver ran 47 at one 
stretch in the middle of the match. The weather was not cold, but 
sharp enough for good flying had it been bright and free of snow. 
It was said no two such scores were ever made on any of Watson's 
grounds before. Following are the scores: 
Trap score type— Copyright, i897, by Forest and Stream Publishing Co. 
1431155822363323421413534 
Grimm 2 22182221222222112221222 2—25 
4431318 343152434212131422 
222822322382811222311212 1—25 
32 3 1114 545581824352224352 
2 032111201323221 2 1222222 1-23 
1 143 3 33154553341543334283 
322221823122223828322222 2—25—98 
Carver. 
153 2412 4131533241452213 3 1 
\ N MH N-> \<- H 'Eir^ i -s' T v^->'h i r*->^ T 
..2 22233222222223312312230 2-24 
11111112 4 112 3 5 4 3 3 2 3 13 5 4 12 
-♦^H/' i-*t.\Tr+t<^-^4. T HH-+ 
22220231132223232222222 2 2—34 
2 2 445122413 41132555113544 
\ ? \<- H \ t \ H -^^ N 1/4. H N <-i 
121331232223322231223232 2—25 
32 3 145 2 8 13423318245585215 
2 2 0232 2 82222 2|2 2223103 2 32 1-23-96 
In his race with Dr. Carver, Mr. Grimm.shot an L. C. Smith ejector 
gun, with factory loaded U. M. C. ammunition. Smokeless cases 
charged with 3>^drs. of Schultze powder. Dr. Carver shot a Cash- 
more gun, but upon being asked for a description of his ammunition 
declined to give it out for pubhcation. His long green IT, M. C. trap 
shells are well known. 
147— GILBERT. 
Dec. 2A.— The last of the important races or the week occurred to- 
day, this being the time set for the race between Winston and Fred 
Gilbert, Winston having conceded all points asked of him by Gilbert; 
the last being that the Uve bu-ds should be shot first in the two races 
of the combination match. The terms were as follows: 100 live 
birds, A. S. A. rules, at 30yds.; and 100 targets, unknown traps, known 
angles, one man up, expert rules; the totals of both matches to count. 
The races of to day offered a curious study on shooting and 
shooters. There was a reversal of form on the part of both Winston 
and Gilbert. Winston had taken EOgrs. of quinine within the last 
thirty six hours, and was well keyed up. At the score he said in his 
characteristic fashion, "I'\-e got the best head on me to-day there is 
in America, if my constitution will come up to it." His shooting 
showed that h« was a different man from that of Tuesday, 
though occasional patchy places and frequent long waits in get- 
ting on his bird showed that he was lu bad nervous condition 
after all, and not in shape to make a great showing in a hard 
race. As for Gilbert, he was apparently in perfect health, and made 
no complaint of any iU feeling whatever. Yet he made the 
lowest score of his life, one which any duffer could beat, and one 
which has never been made on any grounds by any professional 
shooter of the country. Gilbert Cdld find no exp'anation whatever 
for it, for he should be in perfect fettle and not in the least "shot 
out," as he has been resting of late and only doing shooting enough 
to keep in practice. His load when seen on the snow seemed a bit 
wi^le, but gun and load were not the cause of his trouble; he was 
slow in his nerves somewhere, and it could he easily seen that he 
made the fatal mistake of dwelling as he flred, getting his lead and 
then stopping to pull the trigger. Consequently he was always behind 
and under any good outgoing bird. He slobbered down a good many 
birds out of bounds for this reason. Grimm, who was handling him 
told him wha,t was wrong, but it seemed impossible for Gilbert to 
quicken up and get on with his second, though he at times made good 
last stops with ths first. Time after time the birds would go out 
through his tardy charge, some of them to drop outside, but most of 
them hardly tickled, and it was generally felt that Gilbert was clear 
wrong somewhere, as 68 birds to the 100 is not a score which belongs 
with Fred Gilbert's name by any means. But he should not be dis- 
heartened by this at all. It is only another phase of thepigeon game, 
which is one of the oddest of all games and the hardest to depend 
tipon. It more than ever proves the truth of the belief of all knowing 
shooters, that there is . not and can never be any one man who can 
claim with justice the title of champion. No man can beat aU the 
good onei^ all the time, and the luck of respective form is what makes 
the quality of a race when two good ones come together. Next 
week Gilbert may feel worse and shoot better. There is no account- 
ing for it. 
To-day the birds were screamers, not one needing the flag. The 
wind made them rtile outgoers, and they tamed not on their going. 
These birds were taken from the same coops as those of yesterday,' 
but they did not offer the same spectacle by sny means. The weather 
was bright and clear, with a keen, fresh air, and a bit of wind moving 
to give life to the flight. On the ground was a couple ot; inches or 
so of snow, and the glare from this was very trying, as the sun was 
almost directly in the eyes of the shooters. Winston adopted the old 
mountain trick of blackening his face and nose with cork, which 
helped his eyes very much. Gilbert used a long visored cap. Both 
said that at tines it was next to impossible to see a fast bird as it 
went out over the snow. 
Winston was chipper and "sassy" before the race began, and 
seemed more like himself. He was not averse :to making a cheerful 
remark or so at some of his own kills, occasionally reminding the 
spectators thathedld it with "load U7." Hecould hive killed perhaps 
three or four more birds if he had been crowded to it, but he struck 
one of his fooline streaks, and at times apparently tried to see how 
long he could wait and still kill his bird. Once or twice he made 
phenomenal kids In this vray, getting a bird down almost at the wire 
with a screaming second-barrel kUl. At other times he lost birds by 
this sort of thing, and showed what a slow second would have meant 
in a closer thing than that he had in hand. A study of his forna 
would Indicate that he needs a rest and a little less snooting for a 
while. He should vary his quinine diet with a little beef, and cease 
depending on nerve which has no red blood behind it. To-day he did 
not shoot with any of the quality he showed in his match with Roll, 
and fell back into more of his old irregular way of shooting. He 
was fast on some birds where he had time, and awfully slow on 
some where he needed to use every fraction of a second, Winston 
left town to-night for home in far poorer form than when h6 came 
here. As he stood last week be was a hard man to beat, and a better 
shot than he ever was before in his life. He thinks he is somewhat 
shot out, and says he will take a rest. Those who think he is going 
to prove easy hereafter might do well to be a bit cautious. 
Gilbert was never ia. the race at all, but pounded along behind, 
falling fm-ther out of it all the time. As Fred is a deservedly popu- 
lar shooter, and has many friends here, his bad showing hurt others 
beside himself. It should not he thought that Gilbert was in any 
way disconcerted by any of the fabled antics of Jack Winston at the 
score, for that sort of thing has been abandoned by the latter. The 
race was shot with perfect pleasantness throughout. Winston stood 
back of the score, never sitting down at all, Gilbert sitting with ht« 
handler between shots. Winston had no handler, as It is his prefer- 
ence to shoot alone. It would be folly to undertake any description 
of individual birds in a race like this, as so many were missed, and it 
will do to say that the birds were very good ones, so good that a 90 
score would have been better than 96 on the day previous. This race 
attracted more attention than any yet shot this week, and there was 
a goodish crowd assembled. The fallowing is the score of the live- 
bird half, Winston winning by 13 birds: 
Trap saoretype— Copyright, IS97, by Forest'.and, Stream PubliJiMna Co, 
3 3 5 5 3 4 5 113 3 5 14 2 4 16 5 3 5 2 3 5 3 
147 2 822320282228»a208022223 8-81 
58 4 35345333S5388528382132 
>/ 1 T \H ? \<^;^ST \<V<-\N+>T T T/^ T 
3633283888«828288*882302 0-SO 
31851235f4443415823a88246 
088888228880880883022 8 88 •-SO 
1831333425133455822231452 
208 S,2 8822« 2 8 0 2 2 8 0 0 2 2 -20-81 
2 2 2 2 2 
Gilbert. 
2358 3531335824J 4152258533 
\ T \<— ^ \<^*>, t -^-^ \ \ N t 
...3 0322202«1«81 101 111102 12 8—80 
534 3 53433 3 3 25 3 32528532142 
1002«02022212322210»8800 8-16 
3125138554481 1 3 5223222815 
0232230 2 2«U2002«10811 0 1* 9—15 
18322132544382142252 3538 
382222022201»8801301»»30 —17-68 
In this race both men used L. C. Smith guns. Winston used his 
147 load, and Gilbert shot .SJ^drs. Du Pont powder in U. M. C. green 
trap shells. 
Shortly after the close of the live-bird match the party adjourned 
to the target traps to settle the other half of the affair. A few prac- 
tice birds were shot, and the traps were put In as good shape to 
comply with the rules as possible. 1 neglected to ascertain what 
targets were used. Ike Watson was chosen referee, and acted most 
acceptably, making two or three close but correct decisions. (It 
goes without saying that John Watson was referee In all the Kve-blrd 
contests which have occurred during the two weeks of shootihg 
chronicled.) For judge, Winston chose Oswald von Lengerke, GiF 
bert choosing Charlie Grimm. 
In the targets Gflbert pulled himself together better, and 
shot with something of his old speed and accuracy. The scores 
■ are not high, but it should be remembered that the conditions 
were difBcult, the glare from the snow being very bad for the 
greater part of the race. It was anybody's race for awhile, and 
the men see-sawed over the tie line, being tied at the 75th 
round. Gilbert was then getting better, and Winston appar- 
ently worse. On Monday night last, as he was going home. 
Winston in the presence of several friends picked up a hand bill 
which he saw laying on the ground, and which displayed on its fac « 
a large figure 7. He picked up really two of these bills, and tore off 
.the figure 7 from each, putting one figure In each vest pocket. He 
declared he was going to beat Gilbert just 7 birds in each match. 
Along toward the close of the target match, when Winston was 
plainly foolmg along and not extending himself at all to shoot, he 
asked what the score was. He could then have gone out, it he had 
not missed, with a total of 11 birds ahead of Gilbert, but this did not 
seem to please him. Whfle I do not feel in a position to say what 
can not be proved, it seems tome a trifle significant that Winston 
lost 4 birds out of his last 10, and that he won by the regulation num- 
ber, 7. I would not consider Winston's score of 77 under these rules' 
as conclusive of what he might do if he were crowded. Gilbert 
scored 83, a low score for him under favorable conditions. This 
made the total scores stand: Winston 158, Gilbert 151. Following are 
the target scores: 
147 11101111111111111111111111110111101101011101110111-43 
11110101101011001001111110111111100011111110101100-34-77 
Live birds 81 
158 
Gilbert 01101111111011111111111111111101101111111111101101-43 
10100111011011011011011111111111110111101111111111-40-83 
Live birds , , , , , , 68 
151 
During the morning Messrs. O. von Lengerke and E. Rice shot a 
race at 50 Uve birds, the former scoring 35, the latter 28, as reported 
elsewhere. 
On the evening of Thursday Winston left for his home at Washing- 
ton, Ind., where he wiU remain a few days before going on to New 
York. He has been very welcome in Chicago, and all hope he will 
come again and stir things up a bit among the pigeon shooters. He 
has won four races and lost four, winning $400 and losing $200. He 
was ready to shoot more races last week when he had a few vacant 
days, but none were ready at that time, and of course he is not apt 
to come back to attend to the men who will be ready to shoot next 
week, as he has all along said he was going home for Christmas and 
then on East. As we have all too little match shooting here now, it 
would be appreciated if Winston or some other troublesome party 
with a good nerve and a shooty disposition would drop in and sort of 
stir up the animals in the old-time way. E. Hough. 
1206 BoYOE Building, Chicago. 
Boston Shootins; Association. 
Boston, Mass., Dec. 25.— The Boston Shoothag Association held a 
shoot at W ellington to-day. The principal event was a 100.bh:-d handi- 
cap race for the W-A trophy, presented by the Laflln & Rand Powder 
Co. The trophy was won by Capt. E. B. Wadsworth, president of 
the Association. Sweepstakes were shoot as follows: 
Events: 1 S 3 4 5 6 7 Events: 1 » 3 4 S 6 7 
Targets: 10 JO 15 35 S5 S5 10 Targets: 10 10 SS 95 SS SS 10 
Allison 9 10 19 23 18 24 8 Bond 9 8 17 22 83 19 10 
Jones......... 8 10 a2 20 21 22 10 Dickey........ 7 9 21 20 28 17 9 
Puck 8 9 31 23 21 24 9 Oliver.' 6 9 19 21 82 20 8 
fray-v 7 9 18 21 17 23 8 Henry 6 7 16 20 19 21 7 
S Wood 7 8 19 23 18 5i3 10 Ellsworth.... 10 7 28 19 31 18 10 
Change of Dates at Indianapolis. 
Indianapolis, Ind., Dec. 23.— To keep in line with the San Antonio 
Midwinter tournament we have changed the dates of our sparrow 
shoot from Jan. 14 and 15 to Jan. 20 and 21. 
Leaving here on the evening of the second day. we will reach San 
Antonio 7:15 P. M. the 33d. 
The indications are that we will have a good attendance, and 
enough going to Texas to enable us to secure party rates and a 
special sleeper through. Royal Robiktsok, Sec'y. 
This issue Is the first of the series for 1897. It is fitting at this date 
to remind shooters that on Jan. 1 Tom Keller starts in to boom King's 
Smokeless and Peters's reinforced shells. Neaf Apgar also puts a red 
mark against Jan. 1, that being the date on which his connection with 
the Austm Powder Company, of Cleveland, O., formally commences. 
Another business connection with the King Powder Company is that 
made by Jack Parker, of Detroit, who will in future shoot King's 
Smokeless and show what Milt Lindsley's production can do when 
handled properly. 
