488 
Mr.  Watt.  Well,  so  far  as  I know.  The  other  men  know  more 
about  the  country  up  there  than  I did,  being  practically  a stranger. 
Mr.  Campbell.  Mr.  McCrosson,  you  are  particularly  familiar 
with  that  country. 
Mr.  Watt.  I think  Mr.  Bluett  knows  that  country  well. 
Mr.  McCrosson.  I think  Mr.  Bluett  could  state  more  intelli- 
gently about  that  now  than  I can  or  almost  any  of  the  Kohala 
people. 
Mr.  Bluett.  I think  that  boundary  is  about  the  best  that  could 
be  selected  under  all  conditions,  with  the  exception  that  the  line 
could  go  to  the  west  of  Puu  Pili,  and  take  in  the  entire  hill.  There 
is  a certain  amount  of  forest  on  Puu  Pili  which  is  still  good. 
Instead  of  running  through  the  center  of  Puu  Pili  the  line  should 
circle  the  hill.  I think  that  is  the  only  change  that  I should 
suggest. 
Mr.  Hosmer.  My  recommendation  in  the  report  covers  that, 
although  the  map  does  not  show  it. 
Mr.  Bluett.  As  regards  those  other  hills,  there  are  several,  and 
a number  of  still  other  hills ; those  could  sometime  be  fenced  in 
and  planted ; that  may  have  a very  good  effect  without  taking  the 
strip  in  between. 
Mr.  Hosmer,  reading  from  his  report  of  October  14,  1908: 
* ‘There  should  be  also  included  in  the  reserve  the  south  side  of 
Puu  Pili,  to  protect  certain  springs  on  the  lower  slope  of  that 
hill.”  Mr.  Kanakanui  has  not  worked  up  his  field  notes  yet, 
although  he  is  prepared  to  do  so  when  this  matter  is  settled. 
The  line  can  go  around  the  hill  and  take  in  that  side. 
Mr.  Campbell.  Mr.  Holstein,  can’t  you  give  us  any  expression 
of  opinion  on  that  subject? 
Mr.  Holstein.  I think  the  Kohala  planters  have  expressed 
themselves  as  favoring  the  Hooleipalaoa  Gulch.  I have  been 
up  there  on  several  occasions  and  bear  out  Mr.  Hosmer’s  state- 
ment, the  gulch  is  a natural  boundary  with  a few  exceptions,  here 
and  there.  I agree  also  with  Mr.  Bluett,  on  the  proposition  that 
the  boundary  on  this  Puu  Pili  should  be  on  the  west  side  instead 
of  climbing  up  the  middle  and  leaving  half  the  hill  for  a cattle 
ranch  and  the  other  for  forest  protection. 
The  great  difficulty  in  the  discussion  today  will  be  as  to  what 
attitude  the  owners  of  these  private  lands  will  take  in  the  matter 
At  the  meetings  we  held  in  Kohala  with  the  Kohala  planters — I 
believe  there  were  three  meetings  held — while  we  were  unan- 
imously in  favor  of  forest  protection  in  Kohala,  the  question  is 
how  much  or  what  will  these  private  owners  of  the  land  sell  for? 
1 believe  when  it  comes  down  to  the  question  of  the  Kohala  plant- 
ers buying  a tract  of  land,  they  would  be  quite  willing  to  do  so,  for 
their  own  protection  as  well  as  the  protection  of  other  people 
there.  As  we  have  the  parties  interested  in  these  private  lands 
here  it  strikes  me  that  the  best  proposition  now  is  to  ask  them 
whether  they  will  sell.  And  if  they  are  not  willing  to  sell,  the 
question  is,  will  the  Government  proceed  further  in  the  matter? 
