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other  words  would  they  do,  that  is  what  we  ought  to  know,  and 
then  we  ought  to  know  from  the  representatives  of  these  other 
interests  here  what  their  idea  of  their  properties  is.  Then,  as  I 
understand  it,  Mr.  Woods  or  Kahua  Ranch  have  leases  on  the 
Government  land  and  on  the  Austin  Estate  land  and  naturally 
they  would  have  to  be  separate,  so  we  would  have  to  hear  from 
them  as  to  what  they  would  need  in  consideration  of  giving  up 
their  leases  or  whether  they  would  be  willing  to  give  up  the  leases 
without  any  consideration.  If  these  points  can  be  settled,  then  I 
think  we  can  get  along. 
Mr.  Campbell.  Mr.  Robertson,  are  you  prepared  at  this  time 
to  state,  as  representative  of  the  Woods  interests,  what  sum  of 
money  you  would  be  willing  to  take  for  the  woods  lands  ? 
Mr.  Robertson.  I am  not,  Mr.  Campbell.  The  Woods  Estate 
as  I understand  it,  would  be  willing  to  consider  an  offer  that 
might  be  made  by  the  parties  in  interest,  who  desire  to  acquire 
those  lands,  but  I haven't  any  authority  to  submit  any  proposition 
on  behalf  of  the  Woods  Estate  at  this  time.  We  have  to  dissent 
from  the  language  of  that  resolution  read  by  you,  passed  at  some 
meeting  in  Kohala,  whereas  this  land  of  Kehena  is  dubbed  as 
being  of  no  value  either  for  pasturable  purposes  or  agricultural 
purposes.  We  claim  that  a large  proportion  of  that  area  is  good 
for  either  or  both  agricultural  or  grazing  purposes.  Secondly, 
any  offer  that  might  be  made  would  not  stand  any  chance  of  being 
accepted  if  it  was  made  on  the  basis  of  that  resolution.  The 
parties  at  the  lower  elevations  there  that  desire  to  see  this  forest 
reserve  put  through  will  have  to  bring  themselves  to  a frame  of 
mind  where  they  must  concede  that  these  lands  have  some  value, 
a material  value,  to  the  present  owners.  On  that  foundation  the 
Woods  Estate  is  willing  to  consider  a proposition,  providing  one 
be  made  upon  fair  and  reasonable  terms.  In  other  words,  in  order 
to  help  effectuate  this  forest  reservation,  the  Woods  Estate  is 
willing  to  sell  that  area  that  has  been  designated  by  the  red  line 
here,  a portion  of  Kehena  2,  for  such  price  as  they  deem  fair  and 
reasonable.  In  regard  to  Frank  Woods,  whom  I also  represent, 
I think  Mr.  Swanzy  is  mistaken  as  to  Woods  holding  a Govern- 
ment lease.  He  owns  two  of  those  lands,  Kahua  1 and  Waika, 
in  fee  simple,  and  holds  a lease  from  the  Austin  Estate  of  Kahua 
2,  with  nearly  twenty  years  unexpired. 
Mr.  Swanzy.  Then  there  is  no  Government  land  there  at  all? 
Mr.  Robertson.  Not  that  I know  of.  In  regard  to  Mr.  Frank 
Woods,  Mr.  Campbell,  he  does  not  desire  to  sell,  but  he  is  willing 
to  entertain  a proposition  for  exchange  if  practicable.  In  other 
words  he  wants  to  continue  in  the  ranch  business,  and  if  those 
lands  are  given  up  for  forest  reserve  purposes,  he  wants  some 
other  lands  in  lieu  of  them.  Now  then,  if  the  Government,  or  any 
private  parties  in  interest,  are  in  a position  to  make  any  proposi- 
tion for  an  exchange  with  Frank  Woods,  he  would  be  glad  to 
entertain  it. 
