495 
Mr.  Bluett.  Whose  report  is  that  ? 
Mr.  Campbell.  George  H.  Williams  to  Land  Commissioner 
Pratt. 
Mr.  Robertson.  And  the  date  ? 
Mr.  Campbell.  August  14,  1905.  The  Board  of  Agriculture 
and  Forestry  have  discussed  the  proposition,  Mr.  Swanzy,  as  to 
the  amount  of  money  which  could  be  devoted  for  the  next  two 
years  to  reforesting  and  fencing  in  the  Kohala  Forest  Reserve, 
and  have  concluded  that  $25,000.00  can  be  devoted  to  that  pur- 
pose. Not  for  the  purpose  of  purchasing  the  land,  but  directly  to 
reforesting,  fencing  and  the  necessary  expenses.  It  is  a liberal 
proposition,  and  I believe  the  Government’s  function  is  in  the 
actual  work  of  reforesting  those  areas  that  need  reforesting — 
there  are  certain  areas  in  this  forest  reserve,  I understand  from 
Mr.  Hosmer,  that  when  protected  against  cattle,  and  fenced,  will 
reforest  themselves  very  rapidly.  The  Board’s  position,  I think, 
is  quite  clear,  gentlemen,  but  if  this  thing  is  to  go  through  on  the 
lines  suggested,  we  must  have  the  assistance  of  the  interests 
in  Kohala.  I want  to  say  very  frankly  that  I,  as  Land  Commis- 
sioner, do  not  favor  the  exchange  with  the  Woods  Estate  of  these 
remnants  along  the  north  point,  as  I believe  eventually  they  will 
be  of  material  advantage.  They  are  small  remnants.  Portions 
of  them  are  good  lands,  and  with  the  extension  of  the  Kohala 
Ditch  and  improvements  contemplated,  I think  may  all  come  un- 
der that  ditch.  They  are  too  valuable  for  the  Government  to 
give  away  in  this  exchange. 
Mr.  Dowsett.  Mr.  Chairman,  we  have  heard  from  Mr.  Robert- 
son, representing  the  Woods  Estate,  and  Mr.  Frank  Woods.  Is 
there  anybody  here  to  speak  for  the  Austin  Estate  in  regard  to 
the  land  that  Mr.  Woods  has  under  lease? 
Mr.  Bottomley.  I represent  the  Austin  Estate  land.  The  land 
is  under  lease  and  you  will  have  to  take  it  up  with  Mr.  Woods 
before  saying  anything,  and  also  take  it  up  with  the  Austin  Estate. 
We  will  do  that. 
Mr.  Petrie.  Mr.  Chairman,  on  the  basis  of  your  last  statement, 
do  I understand  that  all  that  will  now  be  required  to  consummate 
l he. scheme  outlined  will  be  for  the  parties  in  interest  to  acquire 
those  lands  and  the  balance  will  be  taken  care  of  by  the  Govern- 
ment, on  whatever  basis  that  it  can  be  done?  That  is  the  point 
now  in  controversy. 
Mr.  Campbell.  That  is  the  point  in  controversy.  \ 
Mr.  Swanzy.  Then  Mr.  Campbell,  there  does  not  seem  to  be 
anything  else  to  do  but  to  ask  the  Government  to  negotiate  with 
Mr.  Frank  Woods  and  the  Woods  Estate  for  these  lands  that  it  is 
so  important  to  acquire  before  this  can  be  consummated  ? 
Mr.  Campbell.  Mr.  Swanzy,  the  Government  feels  that  it  has 
gone  to  the  limit  of  its  resources  when  it  is  willing  to  throw  into 
this  particular  forest  reserve  $25,000.00.  If  we  should  take  the 
$25,000.00  and  buy  these  lands,  if  they  are  willing  to  sell  them 
for  $25,000.00,  it  would  leave  us  as  I said  before,  with  a 
