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paper  forest  reserve.  The  Government  must  have  a fund  to 
devote  absolutely  to  forestry  and  I think  the  people  of  Kohala 
should  get  together  and  see  if  they  cannot  secure  these  particular 
lands,  as  they  are  the  people  directly  benefited.  Then  the  Govern- 
ment will  expend  $25,000.00;  to  be  devoted  to  forestry  and 
fencing.  The  maintenance  would  necessarily  come  on  the  Gov- 
ernment, in  the  upkeep  of  fencing  and  policing,  so  that  what  the 
Government  puts  in  now,  that  is,  in  the  next  two  years  and  a half, 
is  not  all — there  is  a continuous  yearly  expense  on  the  Gov- 
ernment. 
Mr.  Swanzy.  I think  the  offer  of  the  Government  is  exceed- 
ingly liberal  and  it  relieves  the  parties  in  interest  as  to  any  con- 
sideration as  to  care  of  the  reservation  to  be  created,  when  the 
fencing  is  done.  But  wouldn’t  the  Government  undertake  to 
negotiate  with  the  parties  in  interest  to  see  if  they  cannot  be  got- 
ten to  name  a reasonable  price?  If  they  will  sell  at  a reasonable 
price  I take  it  for  granted  that  the  plantations  of  Kohala  will  be 
able  to  raise  the  money  to  buy  the  land. 
Mr.  Campbell.  If  the  Government  had  any  assurance  whatso- 
ever, that  the  interests  at  Kohala  would  do  that,  we  would  imme- 
diately start  negotiations  in  an  endeavor  to  come  to  a conclusion 
as  regards  price. 
We  believe,  however,  that  if  the  interests  of  Kohala  would 
simply  come  together  and  arrive  at  a determination  how  far 
each  one  is  willing  to  go  in  this  matter,  then  the  entire  nego- 
tiations might  be  completed  with  the  Government  for  these 
lands,  and  then  we  could  say  yes  or  no.  We  have  been  trying 
since  1904.  The  Board  wants  to  pass  the  responsibility  of  aid 
in  this  matter  directly  up  to  Kohala  and  its  interests.  It  is 
an  important  thing,  it  is  a thing  that  I may  go  on  and  talk  about 
for  an  hour,  the  benefits  of  forestry,  and  we  would  not  be  any 
nearer  to  a conclusion.  We  all  know  the  benefits,  but  the  Govern- 
ment is  unable,  even  with  the  liberality  of  the  Legislature  in  its 
act,  to  give  all  to  Kohala.  We  have  other  interests  to  consider 
and  if  $25,000.00  is  devoted  to  this  forest  reserve  it  seems  to  me 
that  the  Government  has  done  all  that  is  necessary.  Now  if 
Kohala  will  say  that  we  have  only  one  thing  to  do,  and  will  go 
and  get  the  Woods  interests  and  Austin  interests  to  say  yes,  then 
the  forest  reserve  is  not  on  paper,  but  is  an  actual  fact. 
Mr.  Swanzy.  The  Woods  Estate  owns  2400  and  odd  acres, 
which,  as  I understand  it,  they  are  willing  to  dispose  of,  if  they 
can  get  a price  which  pleases  them.  Mr.  Frank  Woods  is  not 
disposed  to  sell  and  we  don't  know  what  the  Austin  Estate  will 
do.  It  may  be  difficult  to  get  lands  suitable  for  Mr.  Frank  Woods 
to  exchange  for  this.  Under  these  circumstances,  if  the  Frank 
Woods  and  Austin  Estate  lands  cannot  be  acquired,  and  if  the 
Woods  Estate  land  of  about  2400  acres  can  be  acquired,  would 
the  Government  be  willing  to  fence  that  in  and  reforest  it  ? 
Would  they  be  willing  to  do  a part  of  the  work  if  it  was  not  pos- 
