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Mr.  Hind.  Well,  that  is  just  about  as  far  as  the  thing  has 
gone.  Mr.  Holstein  put  that  idea  up  to  the  Woods  Estate.  I 
understood  they  had  a meeting  the  other  day,  but  I could  not  learn 
what  decision  they  had  come  to. 
Mr.  Holstein.  Neither  have  I learned. 
Mr.  Campbell.  In  searching  through  the  entire  records  of  the 
Kohala  forest  we  can  find  nothing  in  the  form  of  a proposition 
from  the  Woods  Estate.  They  may  have  sent  one  in  and  it  may 
be  lost.  There  is  a very  easy  solution,  gentlemen,  here  are  the 
three  parties  in  interest,  the  Woods  Estate,  the  planters  and  the 
Government,  and  I think  a Board  of  Appraisers,  one  from  each, 
would  settle  that  very  quickly. 
Mr.  Swanzy.  You  can  settle  nothing  until  you  have  something 
to  settle.  One  man  wants  to  sell,  but  he  will  not  say  how  much 
he  wants. 
Mr.  Campbell.  That  is  exactly  the  condition  of  the  matter 
now.  I understand  from  Mr.  Robertson  that  he  is  willing  to  sell 
Kehena,  but  Woods  wants  an  equivalent  in  exchange  for  the 
other  land. 
Mr.  Swanzy.  He  is  willing  to  sell  Kehena  for  cash,  but  Mr. 
Frank  Woods,  with  the  Kahua  lands,  wants  to  exchange 
Mr.  Robertson.  Mr.  Chairman,  it  does  not  seem  to  me  that 
the  matter  is  up  to  the  Woods  Estate  at  all.  The  Woods  Estate 
are  not  putting  their  land  on  the  market,  thev  are  not  looking 
for  any  buyers  for  the  Woods  Estate.  If  the  Woods  Estate  has 
anything  that  someone  else  wishes  to  buy,  it  is  for  that  other 
party  to  come  along  and  make  an  offer  for  it,  and  that  is  cer- 
tainly true  of  the  Superintendent  of  Public  Works  defending-  the 
work  of  the  Government  in  the  matter.  It  puts  the  whole  thing 
up  to  the  Kohala  plantations  and  if  they  want  the  lands  it  is  up 
to  them  to  make  an  offer.  So  far  as  I know  the  Woods  Estate  are 
willing  to  consider  an  offer,  but  they  are  not  putting  the  lands  on 
the  market.  If  somebody  wants  to  buy  them  it  is  up  to  them  to 
say  what  they  are  willing  to  pay.  One  thing:  is  very  sure,  that 
there  won’t  be  any  business  done  on  Mr.  Williams’  figures.  Mr. 
Williams’  report  shows  on  its  face  that  he  has  underestimated  the 
proposition.  The  fee  simple  of  a piece  of  agricultural  or  grazing 
land  is  certainly  worth  more  than  eight  years’  rent,  anybodv  ought 
to  know  that,  and  it  is  safe  to  say  that  no  business  can  be  done  on 
that  line.  The  people  of  Kohala  know,  it  seems  to  me,  better  than 
that,  and  now,  wanting  those  lands,  it  is  clearly  up  to  them  to 
make  their  offer.  In  regard  to  Frank  Woods  it  is  apparentlv  a 
little  more  difficult.  I don’t  know  whether  the  Government  has 
anything  in  that  vicinity  that  they  might  be  willing  to  exchange 
with  him.  The  Chairman  states  that  they  would  not  be  willing 
to  exchange  lands  up  toward  the  north  point.  There  might  he 
something  else.  May  be  these  private  parties  in  interest  might  be 
able  to  acquire  something  that  they  might  then  exchange  with 
Frank  Woods.  It  is  apparently  a more  complicated  proposition 
than  dealing  with  the  Woods  Estate.  I cannot  agree  with  the  last 
