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Mr.  Campbell.  I cannot  give  you  an  answer  to  that  this 
minute,  because  I have  not  in  view  any  lands  that  might  be  ex- 
changed. If  we  have  not,  we  have  the  other  alternative,  we  can 
condemn.  However,  that  is  a matter  that  I would  be  very  glad 
to  look  into,  but  I cannot  recall  now  any  land  that  we  have. 
Mr.  Petrie.  So  far  as  Kehena  No.  2 is  concerned,  it  does  not 
seem  to  be  of  much  use  to  continue  this  discussion,  in  view  of  the 
attitude  that  they  have  taken,  and  it  now  remains  for  the  other 
interests  to  get  together  and  see  if  they~can  make  an  offer  to  the 
Woods  Estate  to  purchase. 
Mr.  Campbell.  If  the  interests  in  Kohala  would  get  busy  on 
that  end  of  it  and  assure  the  Government  that  they  would  pay  the 
judgment  on  condemnation  proceedings  against  the  Woods  Estate, 
why,  we  will  arrive.  That  is  the  only  point.  I am  going  to  work 
and  try  to  get  a definite  answer  from  Frank  Woods,  and  also 
an  application  as  to  what  land  he  might  want.  He  might  want 
lands  that  it  is  impossible  for  us  to  give,  then  we  would  be  up  in 
the  air.  If  we  cannot  come  to  a reasonable  exchange,  then  it 
comes  to  the  question  of  condemnation,  and  if  it  comes  to  that 
question,  then  the  interests  of  Kohala  must  stand  by  the  Gov- 
ernment. 
Mr.  Petrie.  That  might  be  their  conclusion  as  to  how  far  they 
are  willing  to  go  in  the  event  of  the  condemnation  proceedings. 
Mr.  Campbell.  Can  the  Kohala  interests  get  together  before 
the  steamer  leaves  tomorrow  and  give  the  Government  some  idea 
of  what  thy  think  they  are  willing  to  do  ? Before  the  next  Legis- 
lature meets  we  want  the  Forest  Reserve  fenced  and  trees  planted 
on  it. 
Governor  Frear,  we  would  like  to  hear  from  you  on  the  Kohala 
Forest  Reserve  matter. 
Governor  Frear.  I did  not  intend  to  say  anvthing  today  as  I 
do  not  feel  that  I am  very  familiar  with  the  details  of  the  proposi- 
tion. It  is  a proposition,  however,  in  which  I have  been  very 
much  interested  for  a long  while.  It  seems  to  me  that  if  there  is 
any  place  in  the  Territory  where  there  is  need  of  the  application  of 
a correct  forestry  policy  it  is  right  there  in  Kohala,  and  something 
ought  to  be  done  and  done  soon.  Mr.  Campbell  is  quite  right  in 
stating  that  the  Government  is  not  in  a position  financially  to  pur- 
chase these  different  tracts,  although  it  is  in  a position  financially 
to  do  much  in  the  way  of  fencing  and  in  reforesting  and  in  main- 
taining the  forests  in  the  future.  I am  going  a little  further,  and 
say  that  I do  not  think  it  is  correct  in  principle  that  the  Govern- 
ment should  purchase  these  tracts  even  if  it  had  the  money,  where 
the  principal  beneficiaries  would  be  the  private  owners  there.  Just 
suppose  for  illustration,  that  all  of  this  part  of  Hawaii  belonged 
to  one  private  individual,  he  would  not  expect  the  Government  to 
buy  this  portion  here  and  put  it  into  the  forest  for  the  benefit  of 
the  rest  of  that  man’s  land.  On  the  other  hand,  supposing  the 
Government  owned  the  whole  of  that  tract,  you  expect  the  Gov- 
ernment to  lay  out  all  of  that  and  keep  it  as  forest,  and  then  sell 
