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just  the  other  portions  of  it  if  it  sold  them  at  all.  Now,  in  general, 
on  these  islands,  there  are  government  and  private  tracts  sand- 
wiched in.  The  typical  case  is  the  island  of  Kauai,  which  is  a 
round  island  made  up  of  one  big  mountain,  cut  up  into  lands  in 
apple  pie  fashion.  Government,  private,  Government,  private,  right 
around  the  island.  Now  everybody  that  owns  one  of  those  tracts 
of  land  extending  from  the  seashore  up  to  the  top  of  the  moun- 
tain is  interested  in  having  the  upper  portion  kept  as  forest 
reservation  for  the  benefit  of  the  lower  portion,  and  so  placing  the 
Government  and  private  owners  all  on  the  same  basis,  each  one 
having  upper  land  and  lower  land  all  around  the  mountain,  you 
would  expect  all  of  them  to  combine  and  set  aside  his  upper  lands 
for  the  benefit  of  the  lower  lands.  That  is  what  they  are  doing. 
That  is  what  we  are  doing  here,  although  this  is  not  quite  as 
typical  a case.  The  principal  lands  to  be  benefited  are  these  pri- 
vate lands  around  here.  The  Government  has  some  land  here,  but 
the  principal  tracts  here  are  going  to  be  benefited  but  very  little 
to  speak  of  by  setting  aside  this  forest  reserve.  Now  suppose  this 
forest  reserve  is  set  aside  as  outlined  here  by  the  blue  line  (indi- 
cating area  on  the  map  showing  government  ownership),  you 
will  note  that  the  Government  is  giving  anyhow  a majority  of  it, 
all  this  in  green  here  and  this  in  green  here,  it  is  all  set  aside, 
this  green,  which  is  directly  for  the  benefit  of  the  lands  over  here 
as  well  as  the  land  over  here,  so  that  there  is  really  only  this  little 
land  over  here  [Kehena  and  Kahua]  which  is  to  be  contributed 
by  private  individuals  or  corporations.  I don’t  know  what  the 
best  thing  to  do  is  to  get  at  this  thing  to  settle  it.  I should  think 
that  the  Woods  Estate  is  on  a little  different  basis  from  a sugar 
corporation.  Perhaps  the  best  way  would  be  to  get  together  and 
appoint  a number  of  appraisers,  three  or  five,  according  as  it  may 
seem  best,  and  let  them  appraise  the  different  tracts  that  are  need- 
ed for  the  forest  reserve,  and  then  make  another  appraisement  as 
to  the  payment  for  those  tracts,  that  is,  how  much  is  this  plantation 
and  this  plantation  and  this  one  to  be  benefited  by  this,  that  is  rela- 
tively, and  then  divide  up  the  cost  of  all  of  these  factors  of  forest 
reserve  among  these  different  people  in  proportion  to  their 
benefits,  and  pay  these  different  owners  the  amount.  L may  be 
that  that  is  not  practicable.  Perhaps  the  best  way  would  be  simply 
for  the  Kohala  people,  those  most  interested  in  the  matter,  to  get 
together  and  see  what  they  can  do  towards  purchasing  the  dif- 
ferent interests  and  then  dividing  the  cost  up  amongst  them. 
Mr.  Hind.  One  of  the  most  difficult  questions  to  settle,  I be- 
lieve, is  how  the  proportion  will  be  borne  by  the  different  plan- 
tations. 
Governor  Frear.  Yes. 
Mr.  Hind.  Now  take  the  matter  of  our  plantation,  there  is  a 
very  large  area  there  of  government  land.  Now  we  will  be  called 
upon  to  pay  our  pro  rata,  but  the  pro  rata  of  what,  land  that  we 
may  lease  ? There  are  a number  of  leases  already  expired,  and  L 
have  not  been  able  to  renew  them  so  far.  The  question  is,  must 
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