Not. 6, 1897. J 
Birdie 8.); b., w. and t. dog Spoty (Streamer — Blossom H.). 
Croker & Tomer's b., w. and t- dog Montane Lee (Ch- 
Paderewsiki — Beatrice). Mark Louis. Jr.'s b., w. and t. 
bitch Lucy L. (Ch. Eaffler— Jessie). Franklin Field Trial 
Kennels' b., w. and t. dog Summers' Sailor (Sailor — -Sum- 
mers' Fly); b., w. and t. bitch Maggie S. (Sailor — Lucy S.). 
L. 0. Seidel's b., w. and t. bitch Daisy S. (Ch. Lee lL — 
Molly Dean). 
Class B — For dogs and bitches 13in. and under, whelped 
on or after Jan. 1, 1896: 
A. C. Peterson's b., w. and t. bitch Chance (champion 
Frank Forest— Champion Snow), John "W. Simpson's b., 
W. and t. dog Songster (Tiger — Music), Jim McAleer's b., 
w. and t. bitch Little Hornett (Sailor — Lucy S). 
Open Class C — For dogs and bitches all ages, 13. to 15in. 
that have not been placed first in any all-age class in field 
trials. 
Jim McAleer's b., w. and t. bitch Maywood (Oh Lee II — 
Pannic), McKeesport Kennels' b., w. and t. bitch Lady 
Linda (Driver — Copsy), Frank Golla's b., w. and t. dog 
Doc Weller (Sam Weller — Bellva Lockwood), Mark Louis, 
Jr.'s, b., w. and t. bitch MoUie L. (Don — Mollie); Franklin 
Field Trial Kennels' b., w. and t. dog Summers' Sailor 
(Sailor— Summers' Fly), b.. w. and t. bitch Maggie S. (Sailor 
— Lucy S.), b., w. and t. bitch Belle Summers (Clover — Lucy 
S.), b., w. and t. bitch Summers' Fly (Clover— Lucy S.); R. 
C. Stinger's b., w. and t. dog Ramrod (Black Joe — Flora). 
Class D, for dogs and bitches, all ages, 13in. and under, 
that have not been placed first in any All- Age class in 
field trials: 
Jim McAleer's b., w. and t. bitch Little Hornett (Sailor — 
Lucy S.) and b., w. and t. bitch Kitty (champion Rowdy — 
Music); T. C.Moxham's b„\v.and t. bitch Chippy (Bouncer 
E.— Anna T.); Franklin Field Trial Kennels' b., w. and t. 
bitch Pinnie (Sailor — Minnie S.); A. C. Peterson's b., w. 
and t. dog Sailor (Eoal Forest — Beauty C). 
L. 0. Sbidl, Sec'y. 
National Fox Hunters' Association. 
The following circular has been sent out by the secretary, 
Francis J. Hagan : 
"The National Fox Hunters' Asgociation invites you to 
take part in its fourth annual meet, to be held at Cynthiana, 
Ky., commencing Nov 17. Hotel accommodations and 
saddle horses may be secured hy addres^sing J. S. Huff, R. 
U Wills or J. D. Linehm, Cynthiana, Ky. Hotel rates 
■will be $1.50, and for sarldle horses $2 per day. The rail- 
roads have made a special rale of a fare and one third. The 
, field trials are open to the world, and will begin with Ihe 
Derby, Weduesday, Nov 17; entries close Tuesday n'ght, 
Nov, 16. All spoilsmen will be heartily welcomed " 
E. F. T. C. Entries. 
GrKEESPXELD HiLL, Coun., Oct. '25. — I left off one entry 
from t le list I sent vou. Tory Russett, owned by Avent, 
I Thayer & Daryea, Konaels. I start for Pittsburg Sunday 
' EVLUIDg. S. C. BRADLBy. 
POINTS AND FLUSHES. 
The P;jLiQSular Field Trial Club, who?e oflicial vision was 
such that, while looking at one fixed point of the compass, it 
1 though! ihal it saw the whole horizon, has announced that, 
owiDg to lack of interest, it is altogether likely that its trials 
of ibis ^eaton will not be run, This club rtligiousiy discrim- 
, inaltd in favor of one sporting journal against all others. 
A meetiog of the Executive Board will be held inthe A. K. 
0. rooms on Fridajs Nov. 5, at 11. o'clock A. M. 
The Poodle Club of America offer special orizss, to be 
competed for at the forthcoming Metropolitan Kennel Club's 
show, as follows: Best poodle |7; best of opposite sex, $3. 
Best American bred. !|5; best of same, opposite sfx, $2 
Persons desiring to join the club should address the secretary, 
Mr. Z T. Baker, ly William street, New York 
In our advertising columns F. L Cherey, Pitlsfield, Mass , 
offers setters, broken and unbroken Prank Kent, Monticello, 
N. Y , offers a setter andapointer. Joe Lewis. (Janonsburg, 
Pa., offers setter and Chesapeake Bay dogs. Wm. Walther, 
Ronkonkoma, L. I., N. Y . offers stttera and a baagle. R. 
N. Warner, Middlebury, Vt., offers pointer. 
miveT§ to ^omB^and^nh, 
Q C. H., New York.— Is there anythiag; to prevent barnacles from 
accumulating ou a boat, or wood of any kind lying in salt water. 
Ans. Patented compositions for this purpose are sold at all ship 
chandlery stores. We cannot recommend any special one. 
-J. S , Concordville, Pa.-Isee by Oct. 23 issue that some hundreds 
of Dlackbirds were shot recently at Elkwood Park, from tlie trap. Is 
not the blackbird protected by law in Kew Jersey. Ans. No; the 
protective law excepts loon-blackbirds and red-winged blackbirds. 
Owing to the fact that Fop.est and Strea.m goes to press 
I a day earlier than usual this week, we are unable to give more 
than a brief outline of the organization of the new yachting 
union, We hope next week to give a more complete account 
of the business of the meeting, and also the articles and sail- 
ing rules as finally adopted. It is gratifying to be able to 
announce that a national organization has been formed, 
with a specially able and representative council and a total 
membership of at least 100 yacht clubs. 
Our British exchanges bring the news of the formal oi-gan- 
ization of a new yachting society in London on Oct. S, the 
International Cruiser Racing Association. The name indi- 
cates a very wide scope indeed for the new Association, but 
Liie exact intent of its promoters can only be understood 
wiien they announce their definition of a "cruiser." We 
doubt whether it is possible to go further in this direction 
than to require a midship section of such area as shall give 
atlequate displacement and internal room, a strong and 
durable construction, and the carrying of reasonable equi^j- 
ment, furniture and galley fittings, with regular skylights 
and hatches. If the new Association attempts only this 
much and accomplishes it successfully,- it will be of unlim- 
ited benefit to yacthing. 
In spite of the childish conduct of Mr. J. Arthur Brand in 
1S9j, in trying to turu a fair defeat into a technical vict ory 
by absurd protests, and even his subsequent out doing of 
Ji)rd Dunraven by the private circulation in England of a 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
paper attacking American yachtsmen without allowing 
them the right of defense, A»-e had hoped that a couple of 
years' experience had made a fairer sportsman of him; and 
that he would show himself in a better light in a second in- 
ternational contest. This, unfortunatelyrhas not proved to 
be the case, his conduct in 1897 is as vacillating, childish and 
unsportsmanlike as in 1895. 
On Sept. 17 he cabled to the Eoyal St. Lawrence Y. C : 
"Challenge Seawanhaka cup, subject Minima, backing with 
syndicate." Such a message as this, by all yachting usage, 
demanded a speedy confirmation by mail in the form of a 
definite challenge from some recognized yacht club; failing 
this, it could claim no right to consideration. Instead of 
sending such a formal challenge, Mr. Brand apparently did 
nothing further in the matter until the Royal St. Lawrence 
Y. C. telegraphed on Oct 6: "Will Minima back challenge?" 
To this he answered: "Yes, if conditions are satisfactory, 
writing." The club waited until Oct. 23 and was then about 
to telegraph again when a letter arrived. In this Mr. Brand 
asked if the Royal St. Lawrence Y. C. was' going to accept 
his challenge, and stated that if it would he would proceed 
to attempt to get np a syndicate to furnish the money for 
the venture, and to obtain the endorsement of the Minima 
Y. C. Mr. H. K. Sturdee, who represented Mr. Brand in 
1895, has been requested to perform the same kind office this 
year, and has lately visited Montreal, but as he had no in- 
structions or information from Mr. Brand he was unable to 
aid in breaking the deadlock. 
According to the Field of Oct. 16, Mr. Brand will build a 
yacht of some size not yet known to race for the Seawanhaka 
cup; but from all appearances this latest challenge is just as 
vague and vapory as that of Mr. Brand immediately after 
his defeat in 1895, and again after the victory of Glencairn I. 
over El Heirie. At that time some of the American as well 
as English papers were deexjly pained over the unsportsman- 
like treatment of Mr. Brand by the Seawanhaka Corinthian 
Y. C. in not waiting for an indefinite time on the mere 
chance that he might find a syndicate and a club to back 
him. His present conduct, in practically claiming pre- 
cedence as a challenger and yet failing to send anything ap- 
proaching a challenge in due form, shows not only that no 
injustice was done him in either of these cases, but justifies 
the many criticisms of his general conduct as a sportsman. 
It must be confessed also that the Minima Y. C. is not 
showing to remarkable advantage in connection with Mr. 
Brand, it tacitly at least lent its endorsement to his cowardly 
circular of 1895, and apparently in the present case it has lit- 
tle regard as to how its name is used by him. 
The Fin in the Knockabout Classes. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
It is to be hoped that yacht sailors and designers will avail 
themselves more generally than is their practice to discuss 
the conditions proposed for the new 25ft. l.w.l. cruiser knock- 
about class. As you know, I have tried the experiment of 
producing a very large boat on a small waterline, and dur- 
ing the past season sailed over 1,500 nautical miles in Akista 
in all kinds of weather. The experience so gained is my 
warrant for a number of the asertions which I shall make 
hereafter. In no case are these conclusions the result of a 
single observation, and so I feel safe in saying that inno case 
are the results attributed to erroneous conditions. I believe 
that I am entirely safe in saying that in no one of the yachts 
that I met in racing last summer and defeated, was there 
driven so great a number of pounds of displacement per 
square foot of sail area, nor was there in any of the yachts so 
met one in which the cabin accommodations were at all 
comparable. To further facilitate the discussion I send you 
herewith a sketch of as short and lofty a .sail plan as is in 
my judgment practicable to be used, and under it place the 
typical keel knockabout sheer-plan and the one which I sug- 
gest. I also present mid.ship sections which belong respec- 
tively to the two plans. While the rig is nofc the best per- 
haps which could be devised in its pz-oportions, every criticism 
which is made of it applies with greater force to any other 
rig in which the boom is longer. Taking up now the head- 
ings in the order in which they are presented, let us con- 
sider: 
Mast. — "The forward side of the mast at the deck must be 
not less than 6ft. from the forward end of the water line." 
The mast is so placed in the drawing given. It will be ob- 
served that complying with the x'equirements of the distri- 
bution of sail area, the boom projects beyond the end of the 
l.w.l. 13ft. as the minimum. For convenience of handling, 
reefing sail, etc., this requires that the after overhang shall 
be at least 8f b. This would leave the boom projecting 6ft. 
beyond the counter which is an awkward distance to reach 
in order to reef in a seaway. The jib for such a r-ig would 
be I4ft. on the foot and would require a forward overhang 
of about 9ft. 6in. The total overhangs would then amount 
to 17ft. 6in. and the length on deck 41ft. 6in. 
Under these conditions the c. of e. would be 1-tfb. aft of 
fore end of l.w.l., and this makes it necessary that the c. 1. r. 
should be oonsiderably aft of the c. of g. ; further exagarerat- 
ing the long lean bow, producing the very characteristics of 
which so much criticism has been made, and in my judg- 
ment producing a bad sheer plan and unsym metrical form. 
Cabin House. — In my experience .so wide a cabin house is 
decidedly bad. A width of cabin house equal to that of the 
cabin floor between transoms is sufficient for the cabin and 
leaves very desirable deck room avatlatale for handling sails, 
working around the yacht and stowing the yawl. 
Ilead Room. — Anything less than 6ft. is a vexation of 
spirit. It can so easily be obtained that it should always be 
insisted on. 
Fixtures. — 6ft. 6in. in length of cabin is just as good as 8ft. 
If there is any spare length, it should be put in lockers and 
shelves. 
Rudder. — The requirement of the rudder Is bad on two 
accounts. First, because it bars ont an extremely seaworthy 
and serviceable type; second, because the position of the 
rudder is such as to require a larger area and greater use of 
rudder than would otherwise be demanded. The rudder 
should be used simply to direct the boat, and should only 
change its direction of motion. When a rudder, however, 
is hung on an inclined sternpost, it not only does that, but 
also drags the stern of the boat down by its tendency to 
drag into the water for moderate heels, and lifts the stern 
for extreme heels. A boat can easily be designed in which, 
under all ordinary conditions, the rudder is exactly amid- 
ships; but such a boat cannot be sailed if the rudder is hung 
at the end of the keel. 
SaiLs.— The prohibition of a bowsprit is, I think, bad, be- 
cause it encourages a very long bow or an exaggeration of 
the V-section, and also because practically a bowsprit is very 
useful in keeping the anchor away from the hull, in adding 
to the shippy appearance of the yacht, and in eliminating 
the weight of the long bow, which is entirely worthless for 
storage. 
The requirement of a windlass is one which can easily be 
omitted, as in my experience the windlass is only a nuis- 
ance. 
The permission to have two professionals in the crew is, in 
my judgment, a great mistake. A yacht of this kind can" 
easily be raced with a crew of three men, and with two pro- 
fessionals on board, in addition to the owner, it is a very 
simple matter for the owner to get sick as often as is neces- 
sary to surrender the wheel to the professional in order to 
win a race. Corinthian sailing is the thing we are trying to 
encourage, and that can be best accomplished by limiting 
the number of professionals to the absolute minimum, I 
think it would be easier to defend a clause prohibiting en- 
tirely the employment of professionals than one which per- 
mits of two. 
373 
Considering the general features. I heartily agree with the 
limitation of sail area, L.W.L.. ballast, mainsail area, size of 
spinaker pole and limit of draft. I think, however, that an 
additional restriction should be made concerning displace- 
ment, fixing it, say, at 1,100 or 1.200rDs. To get good speed, 
however, it is necessary to reduce the wetted surface, to 
make the form as symmetrical as possible, and of such a 
character that it shall improve rather than deform with an 
increased angle of heel. All yachts of this type necessarily 
heel in order to get power. The foot-pounds of righting mo- 
ment for the same angle of heel of the conventional type is 
17,.350, and of the suggested type is 19,250, a considerable in- 
crease in power. The^acbual beam of the yacht at the usual 
sailing angle is 6in. less for the conventional type than the 
suggested one, and the form of the suggested type is very de- 
cidedly better. As a consequence, the suggested form 
affords a displacement where it will do more good 
in the way of affording useful room, and at the 
sarne time gives greater power. As a consequence, 
it _ is a more roomy and safer yacht to have. One 
point, however, should be insisted on, and that is that the 
fin .should be so proportioned that with the yacht on her 
beam ends, the deflection of the fin shall be inappreciable. 
This means that the fin shall be so strong that it can carry 
the entire weight of the yacht in case of need without 
deformation. LTnder such circumstances it is a simple 
structural matter to so de.sigu the hull that it shall be enor- 
mously increased in strength by the presence of the keel, in- 
stead of being weakened thereby. It is my belief, deduced 
from general considerations and strengthened by observa- 
tion of all of the really successful yachts, that the best re- 
sults are obtained in the way of speed from any hull by the 
greatest _ possible symmetry; that is, all of the centers 
should lie in the same vertical transverse plane. The lines 
of entrance and run should be practically the same and the 
form should be practically the same, regardless of the angle 
of heel. In Akista, all of these principles have been carried 
out to their logical conclusion; some of them against my 
judgment, and every one of them has been demonstrated to 
my entire satisfaction. It is perhaps too much to ask that 
every one shotild be convinced of the supreme merits under 
all conditions of the fin-keel type wherever the waters per- 
mit of its use; but with so many demonstrated facts of the 
remarkably good qualities of the type, I think it is but rea- 
sonable to ask that rules should be so drawn as to permit 
the designer to take any type he chooses. Certainlv with 
ballast, draught; sail area and displacement fixed, there is 
no chance to produce a racing machine, while a glance at 
the sections presented herewith will, I think, show that the 
fin-keel type is much the more wholesome yacht of the two. 
Geo. Hill. 
OCX. ?6. 
[We are unable to reproduce Mr. Hill's diagrams this 
week.] 
The North American Yacht Racing Union. 
As the result of a long course of preliminary work, the 
new yachting body that will be known as the North Amer- 
ican Yacht Racing Union was formally organized at the 
Fifth Avenue Hotel on the afternoon of Saturday, Oct. .30. 
The results of the labor of the organization committee dur- 
ing the past six months were recently published in the 
Forest and Stream in the form of proposed articles of as- 
sociation and sailing rules. The members of the committee 
were all in New York on Friday, and in the evening dined as 
thegnests of Mr. N. D. Lawton, the chairman, at the New 
York Club. The entire evening up to 1 A. M. was devoted 
to a final discussion of the many points left open in the pro- 
posed articles and rules, and it was found impossible to 
arrive at a general agreement on many of them. 
On Saturday the committee met at noon at the Seawan- 
haka C. Y. C house for luncheon and a continuation of the 
discussion, adjourning at 3 o'clock to the Fifth Avenue 
Hotel. The general meeting of the delegates was called to 
order at 3:15 by Mr. Lawton, Mr. O.E- Cromwell being elected 
chairman of the meeting and Mr. W P. Stephens secretary. 
After the roll of delegates was called, the proposed articles 
of association were read, as printed and later amended, and 
finally adopted after considerable discussion on certain 
points. After all were read, on motiou of L. M. Clark they 
were formally adopted. Mr. Clark then moved that the 
meeting proceed to the election of a council, and that the 
chair appoint a nominating committee of three, which was 
carried, the committee a« named including Messrs. F. T. 
Adams, Stuyvesant Wainwright and F. Bowne Jones. 
After a recess of five minutes the committee reported the 
following nominations: W. Radder, iEmilius Jarvis, J. 
M. Macdouough, A. J. Prime, A. T. Bliss, F. B. Jones, G. 
H. Duggan, N. D. Lawton, Oswald Sanderson, E. H. Am- 
brose, Oliver E. Cromwell, A. P. Bancroft, R. N. Ellis, L. 
M. Clark and J. A. Mollenhauer. 
The sailing rules were then read and adopted after lengthy 
discussion. The question of a measurement rule was dis- 
cussed, but the general opinion was against any attempt at 
immediate action. Mr. Cromwell announced that the Sea- 
wanhaka Corinthian Y. C. desired to extend the privileges of 
its towii house to the council at all times for meetings, and a 
vote of thanks to the club was passed, after which the meet- 
ing adjourned. 
Immediately after a meeting of the council was called, Mr. 
L. M. Clark being elected chairman, F. Bowne Jones secre- 
tary, and N. D. Lawton treasurer. Messrs. Jarvis and Mac- 
douough had arranged to sail for England on the St. Louis 
on Nov. 3, and it was decided that they should be requested 
to confer with the coimcil of the British Y. R. A. as to the 
possibility of future joint action in the matter of measure- 
ment and also of limitation of construction. We are unable 
to give the amended rales as finally adopted this week, but 
they will appear next week. 
New York Y. C. 
TiiJO fifth general meeting of the New Y''ork Y^. C. was held 
on Oct. 28, Vice-Corn. L. Cass Ledyard presiding. Messrs. 
S. Nicholson Kane, Lloyd Phoenix and Gr. L. Rives were ap- 
pointed a special committee to draft resolutions of regret for 
the death of Ogdeu Goelet. Ex-Com. Brown offered a 
n^oti m for the appomtment of a special committee, to include 
tne Vice-Commodore, secretary and treasurer, to arrange for 
a new toivn house for the club, the motion being carried. 
The following nominating committee was elected: Edward 
M. Brown, C. Oliver Iseliu, Robert Goelet, Henry F. Lippitt, 
Henry C. Ward, Philip Schuyler, John G. Beresford, Ches- 
ter Griswokl, 0.swald Sanderson, Arthur Ingraham. 
The fullowiug members were elected: John M. Grouse, 
Henry E, Biscoe, U. S. N., S. H. Gardyne Stewart, Charles J. 
Clarke, Roderick P. Curtis, Edward M. Robinson, Bartow 
W. Van Voorhis, li F. Poindexter, Chambers H. McKibbin, 
George A. Kimball, Thomas McKean, Frederick W. Lock- 
wood. 
Yacht Raci g Union of the Great Lakes. 
The suggested postponement of our annual meeting hav- 
ing been concurred in by the majority of the Council, I now 
beg to name '3 o'clock P. M,, Saturday, Nov. 20, at the Cadil- 
lac Hotel , Detroit, Mich, , as the ydace of meeting. This wUl 
give time for any amendments prompted by the meetin» of 
the Yacht Racing A.-^sociation of North America, to be feld 
on the 30th inst. in New York. jEmilius Jakvis, 
Chairman Y. R. U. of Great Lakes. 
