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FOREST AND STREAM. 
[Deo. 11, 1897, 
Com. Dunnkll has appointed a new committee, to be 
known as the Literature Committee, composed of four mem- 
bers, one from each division. The dutv of the committee is 
to furnish As?ociation news to the official organs of the A. 
C. A. The members are: Atlantic Division, H. H. Smythe; 
.Central Division, F. G. Mather; Eastern Division, E. J. 
Bnrrage; Northern Division, E. B. Edwards. We have not 
yet heard from the committee, but our columns are at its 
disposal. 
As appears from the proposed regatta programme recently 
published, there is a mi-sunderstanding as to the exact na- 
ture of the amendment to Rulel adopted at the annual 
meeting of the executive committee. The question of the 
minimum limit of depth for one-man canoe.s provoked a 
long discussion, the proposal, as formally printed in ad- 
vance, to make the limit 12in., being strongly opposed by 
some members, who favored but lOin. As both parties de- 
clined to give way, and there was still much work to be 
done, we proposed a compromise on llin , which proposal 
was discussed and, as we understood, finally adopted in 
place of the amendment calling for lOin. It is now claimed 
that the latter amendment was the one adopted. Under the 
circumstances it was very difficult to keep track of the ex- 
act proceedings, but we certainly understood, and so noted 
at the time, that the llin. limit was voted on and adopted. 
The matter is not a very important one, but it should be 
clearly understood what the official limit is. 
The proposal of Mr. Palmer, published this week, is one 
that we can heartily second, having advocated a similarplan 
several years ago. The regatta committee (by the way, the 
term "race committee" is now coming into general use in 
yachting, and is much preferable') should be a continuous 
body, at least one member of the old committee being on the 
new one. The folly of putting into office a lot of new and 
untried men each year has been so often shown that it is a 
wonder that the system has been allowed to exist so long. 
It is probable that, as Mr. Palmer suggests, the plan which 
has worked so well in the creation of the board of governors 
would answer in the case of a race committee: four men in 
all, one from each division, one retiring each year. 
As to the specific duties of such a committee the rules are 
already complete; the only trouble is that the committees, 
year after year, have ignored them. It is now the duty of 
the retiring committee to report to the annual meeting all 
amendments proposed by the committee or members. It 
seems hardly necessary to go into minute detail as to how 
this should be done; it is self-evident that if a proposal is to 
be voted on it must be made in such proper form and exact 
wording that it may be understood and discussed by the 
members at the meeting. A mere crude suggestion that a 
rule be amended is so utterly useless as to call for no atten- 
tion from the committee. 
The chairman of the 1898 regatta committee is now ready 
to hear from all who are interested in the races of the next 
meet. There were a good many who were sufficiently inter- 
ested in the races at the last meet to kick vigorously at the 
programme of the committee, and not a few who opposed 
the efforts made in good faith at the annual meeting to im- 
prove the rules. These are the gentlemen who should now 
come to the front and say what they think of the proposals 
of the new regatta committee. These proposals have cost 
the committee some thought and labor, and they are given 
out now, nearly eight months in advance, so that canoeists 
may make themselves familiar with, them and call for altera- 
tion in good season. We hope that the racing men will ap- 
preciate this fact, without making it necessary to call upon 
the new literature committee to extract the opinions of the 
different divisions. 
The A. C. A. Races. 
but which for the mile and which for the half has yet to be 
decided. Half a mile is enough for the paddle and half a 
mile is enough for the sail; nothing can be gained by the 
propos-ed change of favoring either one or the other. It will 
be better to leave the race as it was this year, but if achange 
must be made just for the sake of a change, then put a buoy 
midway between the buoys of the second leg and let sail be 
either lowered or hoisted there. 
In the sailing race for open canoes, event No. 14, it is pro- 
posed to permit the compromise type of canoe, the one with 
the addition of partial decks and high coaming, to enter. It 
is to be hoped that the committee will not adhere to this rul- 
ing, as it is thoroughly unjust to the owners of the open 
canoe proper, who probably outnumber those of the half- 
decked craft ten to one. It cannot be doubted that the 
half-decked canoes, with their high coaming, will have a 
very decided advantage in sail-carrying power; and as they 
are so few in nu mber, they might better either be barred alto- 
gether or else given a special race. 
Two good events are promised in the hurry-scurry and in 
the relay races, which latter appears for the first time, and in 
which the regatta committee again discourage the use of 
the decked canoe. There is no good reason why a man 
should not have a choice of boats as he has of paddles. To 
make the most of this event the men must have a free choice 
of boats, as many clubs may not have three open canoes in 
camp. In the tall end race a limit of inches should be made 
for the position of the crew, otherwise canoes with long end 
decks will be in demand. 
The committee still adhere to the unpopular turn in the 
paddling races, to which so much objection has been found. 
If one or two paddlers were on the committee a change to a 
straightaway course would quickly be made. 
Lincoln B. Palmer. 
If there be any particular change needed in the constitu- 
tion of the American Canoe Association, it is the formation 
of a permanent committee, to have control of the racing 
regulations in much the same manner as the Board of Gov- 
ernors controls the Association finances. 
It has been the custom of the outgoing regatta committee 
to recommend to the executive committee of the Association 
that certain changes be made in the racing regulations, and 
also for members to publish proposed amendments in the As- 
sociation's official organ. These proposed amendments then 
come before the executive committee for action at its annual 
meeting, when there is so much business to be transacted in its 
one day's sitting that the matters relating to changes of the 
racing rules, or for that matter to the constitution or by- 
laws of the Association, are left for attention at the last 
moment, only to meet the fate which awaited them this 
year, when there was a large mass of conflicting proposals 
to be acted upon in a short space of time, and this by some 
twenty men, selected not in consequence of a knowledge of 
the requirements of racing, but because of their fitness to 
generally represent their respective divisions. 
The result of this method of procedure has been a de- 
mand for many changes each year. This year the committee 
unknowingly changed the old-time maximum limit of beam 
for the sailing canoe while intending to change only the 
minimum beam of the paddling canoe. This result was en- 
tirely unlooked for and undesirable. 
A permanent racing board, as suggested, would be comg 
posed of one representative from each of the four divisions 
of the Association, eftch elected for a term of four years ex- 
cept for the first terms, which would be one, two, three and 
four years respectively. The members of this committee 
would be selected with a special .view to their fitness as 
racing experts. They would carefully cansider the racing 
regulations as a whole, and submit to the executive com- 
mittee from time to time such changes as- a careful con- 
sideration of the matter would lead them to deem advisable 
after having published the proposed changes as now pro- 
vided for. 
The executive committee could then either adopt or reject 
the proposals as submitted. Appeals from the ruling of the 
regatta committee would also come before them for final 
decision, which would result in a great saying of time at 
the annual meeting of the executive committee, and insure 
the prompt settlement of such appeals 
This plan, if carried out, will fill a long-felt want, and 
will undoubtedly stimulate the interest in racing through a 
stability in the rules and regulations which cannot now be 
depended upon for any length of time. 
The proposed programme for the 1898 meet, considered as 
whole, is far from satisfactory. The double-blade paddling 
men are at a loss to know why this committee has dropped 
the tandem paddling event for decked canoes, which not 
only has the merit of being an exceptionally good race, but 
has also been well filled during the past. It is to be hoped 
that it will be on the completed programme, as it has much 
in its favor, and also seems to pi'omote club entries, The 
argument in favor of the tandem single-blade event should 
hold equally well for the decked canoe. If the total number 
of events is to be reduced, either the swimming race, tail- 
end race, or the tournament might better be spared. 
The open canoe has one sailing and one combined event. 
There seems to be no good reason for making a change in the 
distance of the combined event from one mile to one mile and 
a half. It is the intention of the committee to have this 
event around the triangular lj.<-mile coujse, two sides 
of which will be CQVeyed under either sail or paddle, 
The thanks of the regatta committee are offered to Mr. 
Palmer, who has so pertinently criticised the proposed 
schedule of events. Mr. Palmer probably voices the opinions 
of very many members of the A. C. A. It will be very de- 
sirable to the committee to hear from others their opinions 
and suggestions on vai-ious points. The committee is the 
servant of the members in all matters relating to racing, 
and will do things in the way most desirable to the majority 
of propo.sing contestants, and will undoutedly make changes 
in the schedule. Never before, that I am aware of, has op- 
portunity been offered to the members to criticise and sug- 
gest points in the programme befoie its publication in the 
Year Book, and now that the chance is offered, should the 
racing men fail to take advantage of it, no blame can attach 
to the regatta committee if the programme as finally adopted 
is not satisfactory to all. 
The chairman will be very glad to receive any communi- 
cations, and the sooner they are received the better he will 
be pleased. 
All criticisms and suggestions, with the replies thereto, 
will be published in the official organ in the near future. 
P. F. HoGAN, Chairman, 
343 Pearl street, New York. 
Kingston", Nov. 29 —Editor Forest and Stream: In re- 
sponse to your request for comments on the regatta pro- 
gramme as laid out by the 1898 committee, I beg to draw 
attention to a discrepancy between the dimensions for pad- 
dling canoes, as given in the programme, and those adopted 
by the executive committee, reported in your issue of Oct. 
2.3. The depth was to be not less than llin. and the beam not 
less than 30. The depth was a matter important enough 
to give rise to sjiirited discussion, and I understand that llin. 
was a compromise. With the recollection of this year's dis- 
putes fresh in memory, no doubt the 1898 regatta committee 
will see the advisability of making everything plain before- 
hand. I would suggest that in the combined sailing and pad- 
dling for open canoes it would be advisable to make the 
contestants do two legs with the paddle, as a race js arranged 
over the same course for the same boats under sail. 
Can any one suggest a scheme for preventing fouls at the 
second and third buoys in the relay race? 
The regatta committee is to be congratulated on making 
so early a start with its work. R. Easton Burj*S. 
[Our understanding at the meeting was that the limit of 
llin. was adopted, but we are informed that the lOin. amend- 
ment was the one approved.] 
A. C. A. Membership. 
Applications for membership may be made to the purser 
of the division in which the applicant resides on blanks fur- 
nished by purser, the applicant becoming a member provided 
no objection be made within fourteen days after his name 
has been officially published in the Forest and Stream. 
ATLANTIC DIVISION. 
Name. Residence. 
Addison Wilmurt New York City 
ClAib. 
San Francisco Rifle Scores. 
San FfAnoisco, Nov. 29. -The Germania Sebfltzen Club held a tur- 
key shoot yesterday at Shell Mound Range. Three shots allowed. 
Seorfi.q: 
J. UtscbiK 68, D. B. Faktor 67, G. Thlerbach 65, L Bendel .56, H. Hel- 
buTK 61. J. Daly ■^■J, W. Morken 36, J. Peter? 64, O. Alpers 40, H. Zecher 
61. B Aigrelting 24, F. P Schuster .55, H. Huber 57, J. Huber 55, N. 
Abrers 62, J De Wit 50, J. Tledeman 04, M. Wreden 20, C. Nobman 30. 
J. E. Klein 57, F. Rust 51, B. Wehle 32, L Haake £4, J. A. .Jungblut 60, 
J. Riebe 52. D. Salfield 54, Q. H. Babrs 53, R. Flnfcinfr 58, L. Ritzan 49, 
J. Youne 36. D. Heise 59, E. H. Goetze 64, J. Thode 37. 
The San Francisco Verein held a buU.seye shoot, with the foUowing 
result: 
1, La Maire. 71 points; 5, Aie:eltiDger, 184; 3, S. Alpers, 186; 4, H. 
Koch, 303; 5, W. Moiken, 349: 6, J. Tiedemann. 353; 7, L. Haake. 394; 
8, H. Hiiber. 39R: 9. A. JungWut, ,502; 10. A. H Pape. 507: 11, C. Thier- 
bach,548; 13. E. H. Ooetz?, 558; 13, L N. Rilzau, 606; 14, H. Zecher, 
618: 15. J. D. Heise, 637: 16, John Wit, 701; 17, J. Gefken, 788; 18, 
D. Salsfleld, 819; 19. O. Burmeister, 863; 20, G. Schultz, 876. 
The Columbia Club's attendance was light, but some good scores 
WPTP made. 
Rifle re entry matches, open to all comer.';, 200yds., Columbia tar» 
get, F. H Bushnell rifle medal and cash prizes, S-shot scores: A. H. 
Pape. 7, 11, 7; F. O. Young, 9, 10, 9; O. A. Bremer 10, A. B. Dor- 
rell 16. 
Cash prizes on flags (inch center.") during the month, Bushnell 
medal: A. H. Pape 10, F. O. Young 7, A. B, Dorrell 3, Dr. L. O. 
Rodsers 3. 
Glindeniann military medal: E. Jacobson 2, F. O. Young 1. 
Pistol re-entry matches, open to all comers, 50yds., Columbia target, 
Gordon Blanding pistol, medal and cash prizes, 3-shot scores: C, M. 
Daiss 6, 9, 
Diamond pistol record, medal and cash prizes, 10- shot scores: J. 
B. Gorman 86. 36. 
Howard Carr, any revolver, medal and cash prizes, 6-shot scores: 
A. B. Dorrell 2P. 30. 
AchillB Boos .22.rJfle medal, ladies' trophies and cash prizes, 5-shot 
scores: Mrs. L.J. Orane 13, 21: Mrs. C. F. Wallham 15, 18. Eoeel. 
Thanksgiving Day at Calumet Heights. 
Chicago. III., Nov. 25. — The following scores were made to-day by 
the lady rifle shooters of the Calumet Heights Club. Mrs. Schmidt 
won the medal contest, and also took the Class A prize in the prize 
contest : Miss M. Gillespie won in Class B : 
Medal Shoot. Prize Shoot. 
Mrs Schmidt (A).., ...8!i45l34643— 39 1 3 5 3 3 5 3 6 3 9-41 
Mrs Marshall (A) 3236331364-31 734323022 2-2R 
Miss Gillespie f A) 12 8 4 3 3 6 8 0 5-35 
Miss M Gillespie (B) 182 10 03 0 80 .S-24 
Mrs S E Young (B) 332401 010 1—14 
Mrs A W Harlan (B) 8 0 8 2 0 3 1 0 3 3—18 
Mrs Gillespie (B) 0 0 3 0 8 1 0 3 0 0-9 
Path. 
Leading dealers in sportsmen^s supplies have advertised in our 
columns continuously for almost a quarter century. 
The Sportsmen's Exposition Tournament. 
The second annual championship rifle tomnament wUl beheld in 
Madison Square Garden, New York city, Jan. 13-23, under the aus- 
pices of the Sportsmen's Association. This tournament will be car- 
ried out on a much larger and a more improved scale than this year's 
initial etTort. The tournament of March, 1S97, was simply an experi- 
ment. It proved such a success, however, that the management of 
the Exposition has given the rifle tournament committee practically 
carte blanche for iis tournament of 1868 
The programme issued for this event is similar in nearly every re- 
spect to the one carried out in Mai'ch last. A move, however, has 
been made in the right direction, and any .93cal. rim-fire cartridge is 
allowed in all the competiiions. Messrs. Zettler Brothers will have 
charge of the ranges, and will furnish rifles and ammunition free to 
aU competitors; all kinds of .22 rim fire ammunition will be on hand. 
The contests will be four in number, and are open to all. 
No. 1 is the Individual Championship match, 100 shots in strings of 
10, off - band, 100ft. range, 25-ring target, entrance $5, including season 
ticket of admission to the Exposition {%■!.), only one entry allowed. 
The first prize is $20 in cash and a handsome trophy. There are 
eleven other prizes, ranging from $35 down to $5. 
No. 2i8the Contmuous match, off-hand, iS-ring target, ICOft., 50 
cents per ticket of 3 shots, Dest two tickets to count, re-tntries un- 
limited, hut only one prize obtainable by any one shooter. The first 
prize is $50, second $35, and so on, there being in all thirty prizes, 
the lowest of which is S2 The following premiums are also offered: 
For the best five tickets, $5; for the second best five tickets, $4; for 
the third best five tickeis, §3. The above makes a total of $303 
donated as cash prizes in this eompetiiion. 
Competition No. 8 is on the Honor Target. This, like all the others, 
is ofl;-hand, 25-ring target, 100ft.; entrance S2 for ticket of 3 shots; no 
re-entries. The cash prizes will be $100 in cash divided into fifteen 
prizes from $25 down to $2. and all other merchandise or cash prizes 
donated by members of the different clubs and their friends. All 
such prizes will be announced as soon as received. 
No, 4 is the favorite Bullseye Target. Oft'-hand, 4in. bull, 100ft.; 
entrance 50 cents per ticket of 3 shots; re-entries unlimited; best 
single shot by measurement to count; only one prize obtainable by 
any oue shooter. The cash prizes are fifteen in number, and range 
from $20 down to $2. A total of $97 in cash is donated for this com- 
petition, 
The grand total of cash donated for prizes in this tournament 
amounts to $640; there are also te be considered various merchandise 
prizes and the Individual championship trophy. 
Programmes can be obtained by addressing J. A. H Dressel, secre- 
tary treasurer of the Sportsmen's Association. 377 Broadway, New 
York city; or the secretary of the tournament committee, Edward 
Banks, Forest and Stream publishing Co , 340 Broadway, New York 
city. 
If you want your shoot to be announced here 
send In notice like the followlnsr: 
FIXTURES. 
Dec. 13-15.— Indianapolis, Ind.— Tournament of the Limited Gun 
Club. First day, sparrows; last two days, pigeons. Grand Central 
handicap, 25 pigeons, $25, birds extra. Entj-ies close Dec. 9, with a 
forfeit of $10; post entries, .'580. Handicaps,- 25 to S2yds. Royal 
Robinson, Sec'y 
Dec. 16-17.— Charleston, S. O —Tournament under the auspices of 
the Charleston and Palmetto Gun Clubs. Targets. Parses divided 
Rose system— four moneys. §200 added. G. H, Peterman, Sec'y. 
1898. 
Jan. 1,— CoLOBADo Spring.s, Col.— Touniatnent of the Pike's Peak 
Gun Club. $100 added money. 
Jan. 18--?0.— Hamilton, Oct. — Grand Canadian Handicap. Live 
birds; SI .000 guaranteed. For full Information wrjt« secrets i-y, H. 
Graham, Araericnn Hotel, Hamilton, Ont.. Can. 
March 22-24.— EtKwoon Pabk:, Long Branch, N. J.— Interstate Asso- 
ciation's sixth annual Grand American Handicap. 25 birds, $25, birds 
extra; $1,000 guaranteed to ihe three high guns; all surplus added 
March 29-April 1.— Beading, Pa.— Annuul tournament of the Penn- 
sylvania State Sportsmen's Association, under the auspices of the 
Independent Gun Club, of Reading. A. Knauer, SecV. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
Club secretaries are invited to send their scores for piiblication in 
these columns, aJso any neios biotas they man care to have- printed. 
Ties in all events are considered as divided U7iless othertvise reported. 
MaM all such matter to Forest and Stream I^iUishina Company, Skf 
Broadway, Neit) Yorh. 
The Sherhrooke (P. <4>,, Can.) Gun Club evidr-utly appreciates the 
good done by the Interstate AKsooialion in Vermont by Us tourna- 
ments in 1896 and 1897 at Burlington nnd Moatpelier, res«pectively. 
We have received a letter from J. G. Walton, of the Sherhrooke Gun 
Club, to the following effect: "Our club has decided that it is impor- 
tant enough to claim the attention of the Interstate Association, and 
has written the Association's manager. Mr. Slianer, asking for a tour- 
nament next sumuier. We would prefer the dates of June 30-July 1, 
Thursday and Friday, July 1 is Dominion Day, a holidaj , and our 
regular tournament day. The railroads give reduced rates from 
Thursday to Monday. The three Montreal clubs, and the dozen or 
more clubs in the to'wnships, all within fifty miles of Sherhrooke, can 
be depended on. as they like to come to Sherhrooke. Our club con- 
sists of some twenty-five members. The average attendance at our 
weekly shoots, which are held witJi wonderful regularity, being from 
ten to twelve. We are poor shots as experis go, but have lots of 
enthusiasm. We believe that a large number of the shooters of this 
Province will be glad of a chance to see the professionals shoot, 
and to compare their own work with that of the ca-acker- 
Jacks in actual competition. Our present grounds, although 
beautifully situated, will be excelled nexL season, as we are 
about to move to a location reached by electric cars. As the aim of 
the Association is to stimulate the growth of the sport in new ground, 
we look for its support with confidence. We are in '•ominunicatiou 
with the customs authorities, and are assured that the outfit of the 
Association will be admitted duty free. Ic is doubtful if ammunition 
could be sent in advance, but shooters from the States attending our 
shoots in the past have never had any trouble with personal baggage 
in the shape of guns and shells. We vfill be able to give authorita- 
tive information on this point shortly. Canada is a grand ground for 
the dealers to work. Our ammunition is mostly American, with the 
exception of shot. Shooters, who haye in the past bad only scarce 
game to shoot at, have used cheap foreign guns; now that they 
reiiuire a strong wearing gun, they are buying Parkers, Smiths, Win- 
chesters, etc. We beUeve that we can turn out a larger field than 
any seen at the tournaments of the Association during th« past sea- 
son, and 'we shoot through.'" In the above letter Mr. Walton pre- 
sents a very strong case for the Interstate Association to consider. 
We believe too, from informatiou received from those who have 
personally attended shoots »t Sherhrooke, that every claim made by 
Mr. Walton can be easily substantiated. 
Writing to us from Hotel Morris, Alabama, Nov. 29, A. W. du Bray 
says: "While in Memphis the other day I had a pleasant time pigeon 
shooting with some of the members of the Memphis Gun Club. Frank 
Boston is of course shooting in his usual splendid form, while J. C. 
Neely, Jr., and Judge Walker have greatly improved. In fact, one 
has "no walkover at all in Memphis nowadays. I think they will 
shoot pigeons a great deal there this winter, as there are several 
very enthusiastic members on the club's roster. At Shreveport, La., 
recently I had two most enjoyable days with my friend Sam Endres, 
of duck shooting fame. We bagged sixty-eight on one day, and forty- 
five on the other; about one-third of them were mallards, Had there 
been as much water in Cross Lake as is usual at this time of the 
year, we would have bagged say from 200 to 300 in all probability; 
certainly 300. On my way-into Texas I will try to have another out- 
ing with Sam, and then I hope to send you a sure-enough report of 
a successful shoot. Reports as to quail are very conflicting. How- 
ever, it seems generally agreed that when frost "and rain have with- 
ered up and beaten down the leaves, the shooting will be good." 
We wonder if the secretaries of clubs that are going to hold shoots 
on Christmas Day, Saturday, Dec. 25, will remember that we go to 
press the following Tuesday ? And if they will also remember that 
to enable us to give the news, when it is news, reports of all such 
shoots should be mailed to us not later than that same Saturday 
night? Mail early and avoid the rush and the waste bae^tt 
