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pumped to a distance of about 90 feet. We could put this matter 
up to Mr. Owen telling him that we are going to have water any 
way and ask him to let us come through his place. 
President Campbell : This water is reserved for the purpose of 
domestic supply. 
The Governor : I should suggest that you put in water works 
and that each of you be charged with the amount you use. Do 
you all have tanks and make use of the rain that falls there? 
Messrs. Clark, Ellsworth and Winston : Oh, yes. 
The Governor : What is the rainfall over there ? 
Byron Clark : On an average — 40 inches. 
The Governor : Does this vary much between the upper and 
lower lots? 
Mr. Ellsworth: No, not much. I have a gauge at my house 
and my last month’s measurements were 7 .27". The rainfall is 
probably heavier at the springs than at my place, but does not vary 
more than four or five inches on the two elevations. 
Byron Clark : I understand that the Railway Company is will- 
ing to erect a fence there. 
President Campbell : The Railway Company made an arrange- 
ment with Mr. von E[olt to pay for part of the fencing on the 
upper boundaries — that is — half of the expense of the fence — 
approximately $750 — to be borne by the Railway and the other 
half by the government. 
Mr. Ellsworth : As Mr. E. E. Haley suggests in his letter — 
the homesteaders of Pupukea should have the right to go on the 
reserve and develop water for the use of the makai lands. We 
might be able to get water up there that would prove very valuable 
to such lands. 
Mr. Winston : These makai lands are water bearing lands. 
Mr. Ellsworth: In regard to the water reserve on Mr. Tem- 
ple’s place — Reserve B, I believe — what would be the disposition 
of that should one want to make use of it? 
The Governor : There ought to be a pipe-line there. Private 
arrangements should be made for this or the right-of-way con- 
demned. The settlers on the lower lands along the frontage might 
bring action to condemn the lands where there is no other means 
of getting to it. 
Byron Clark: I think it is the hope to construct a reservoir on 
Reserve C, into which a sufficient supply of water can be pumped. 
Should Mr. Owen object, and we can get around him, we shall 
do so. 
Mr. Ellsworth: It would cost about $1200 to get the water we 
need. There are already eight homesteaders who have certified 
their willingness to follow this plan. If we succeed in getting the 
right-of-way it will cost each homesteader about $100. 
Mr. E. C. Winston : This expense is hard on the settlers at 
the present time, for they have no money. 
President Campbell : I should suggest that you form a water 
