Aug. 27, 1898.] 
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Continental Field Trial Club's Derby. 
Hillsboro, N. C, Aug. 17. — Editor Forest and Stream: 
Herewith are the entries for the Continental Field Trial 
Club's Derby. There are twelve pointers and twenty- 
lour setters; total, thirty-six: » 
The acting secretary of the Pointer Club of America 
has notified me that at a meeting just held it was de- 
cided to give a prize of $20 for the best pointer run in 
our trials at Lexington this fall; the pointer must be- 
long to a member of the Pointer Club of America: 
Setters. 
Colonel. — H. R. Edwards' b., w. and t. dog (Har- 
wick— Trap, Jr.). 
Young Sport — H. K. Devcreaux's o. and w. dog 
(Marie's Sport— Nellie Bly). 
Count Danstone. — Geo. E. Gray's (Agt.) b., w. and 
t. dog (Count Gladstone IV. — Dan's Lady). 
Young §ount Gladstone IV. — Geo. E. Gray's (Agt.) 
lem. and w. dog (Count Gladstone IV. — Antoie). 
Dashing Blyth.— Fox & Blvthe's b., w. and t. dog 
(Antonio— Rita H.). 
Rita's Flounce. — Fox & Blythe's 1. and w. bitch (An- 
tonio—Rita II.). 
Nightingale.— Fox & Blythe's b., w. and t. bitch (An- 
tonio — Rita H.). 
Flavia. — Eldred Kennels' b., w. and t. bitch (Mack 
H.— Ida Bates). 
Halberd. — Mrs. R. P. Carroll's b., w. and t. dog 
(Count Gladstone IV. — Iza). 
Tabard.— Mrs. R. P. Carroll's b., w. and t. dog 
(Count Gladstone IV. — Iza). 
Berber. — Miss Constance Parsons' b., w. and t. dog 
(Antonio — Laski). 
Waddell.— Del Monte Kennels' 1. and w. dog (Count 
Gladstone IV.— Lillian Russell). 
Glad's Girl. — Del Monte Kennels' 1. and w. bitch 
(Count Gladstone IV. — Lillian Russell). 
Dewey. — Hobart Ames' b., w. and t. dog (Tony Boy 
—Nellie C). 
Lena B.— D. E. Rose's (Agt.) b., w. and t. bitch 
(Tony Boy— Nellie C). 
Pearl O. — Oakland Kennels' b- and w. bitch (Tom- 
Countess Christine). 
Marie Girard. — Jackson-Denmark Kennels b., w. and 
t. bitch (Count Gladstone IV.— Lillian Russell). 
Stampede. — Miramonte Kennels' b., w. and t. dog 
(Dash Antonio — Belle of Detroit). 
Flyaway. — Miramonte Kennels' b., w. and t. bitch 
(Dash Antonio— Patty B.). 
Hope's Lil. — Miramonte Kennels' b., w. and t. bitch 
(Hope's Ridge — Suver G.). 
Pink's Boy. — P. Lorillard, Jr.'s, b., w. and t. dog 
(Gleam's Pink — Belle of Pawling). 
Jean de Reszke. — P. Lorillard, Jr.'s, b., w. and t. dog 
(Gleam's Pink— Dell V). 
Schley. — P. Lorillard, Jr.'s, b., w. and t. dog (Tony 
Boy— Fnsh o' Dawn). 
Jubilee Flo.— Thos. Johnson's b. bitch (Little Billee — 
Belle W.). 
Pointers. 
Zephyr. — Jas. S. Crane's b. and w. bitch (Rip Rap- 
Jingo's Joy). 
Lad of Jingo. — W. P. Austin's liv. and w. dog (Jingo- 
Dot's Pearl). 
Jubilee Blithe. — Thos. Johnson's liv. and w. bitch 
(Rector — Dinah). 
Fairview Beauty.— W. Gould Brokaw's liv. and w. 
bitch (Sir Walter — Fanny Davenport). 
Lady Fairview. — W. Gould Brokaw's liv. and w. bitch 
(Sir Walter — Fanny Davenport). 
Matt of Cotton Grove. — Victor Humphrey's b. and 
w. bitch (Rip Rap — Croxie Kent). 
Zenda.- — Victor Humphrey's liv. and w. bitch (Hob- 
Nob — Castaway) . 
Drum Major— J. P. W. Brouse's liv. and w. dog (Rush 
of Lad — Queen Kent). 
Mogul.— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' b. and 
w. dog (Rob — Heatherbelle). 
Ranee. — Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' b. and 
w. ticked bitch (Rip Rap — Toxic). 
Nana.— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' liv. and 
w. bitch (Rip Rap— Toxic). 
Hindo.— Charlottesville Field Trial Kennels' liv. and 
w. bitch (Rip Rap — Toxic). 
W. B. Meares. 
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■ C , H, * F i' s . he rt> r °°ke, P. Q.— Will you kindly give us a decision 
in the following case: A holds challenge cup. B challenges and 
wins C offers challenge to B at once, but B says: "D has already 
challenged me, having done so provisionally, should I win." Does 
Ds challenge rank ahead of C's? or is it a correct challenge? 
Ans. Such provisional challenge is void unless the conditions 
governing the cup specially permit such challenge. B had no 
standing to accept a challenge. He could not make any pro- 
visions in a matter wherein he was as incompetent as any other 
non-holder. As an abstract proposition, such provisional challenge 
contains a principle pernicious to recognize, as the holder of a 
cup would thereby be able to block open competition, and pro- 
cure challenges from such weak men that successive victories would 
be a certainty. This feature is entirely apart from the question 
you ask, but is advanced in a general way, as showing the impro- 
priety of such challenges being allowed. 
E. G. B., New York.— Will you oblige a subscriber with answers 
to the following questions: 1. What are the initials and the 
address of Mr. Carleton, the Maine Game Commissioner? 2. What 
is the name and address of the Game Commissioner for the 
Province of Quebec? 3. What can you tell me about the fall 
hunting in the region of Lake St. John? Are there many moose 
and deer there? How do the numbers of them compare with the 
Maine region? Are there as great crowds of sportsmen go there 
as go to Maine? In other words, if one wants to get a moose would 
he do better to go to Maine or up to Quebec? Ans. 1 L T 
Carleton. 2. Address simply Commissioner of Crown Lands' 
Quebec, Canada. 3. There are said to be some caribou and some 
moose in the Lake St. John region. Not nearlv so many sports- 
men go there as to Maine. Write to N. E. Cormier. Avlmer East 
P. O., Canada. 
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The contest for the Seawanhaka international cup, de- 
cided last week, has awakened a deep interest on the part 
of yachtsmen and all interested in sport. A great deal 
has been said in the daily papers of the States and 
Canada, on one side or the other of the dispute which 
has arisen between the two parties. The circumstances 
of the races and the questions which have arisen! from 
them are of such importance as to claim all of our space 
this week, to the exclusion of all other yachting news 
for the time being. 
Seawanhaka International Cup* 
The unfortunate developments of the past week are 
of a nature that almost justify the pessimistic views 
expressed of late years by some of the English yachting 
journals, to the effect that international races are not 
desirable in yachting, for the reason that they inevitably 
result in mutual ill-feeling. We should be sorry to be- 
lieve such is necessarily the case; and we sincerely hope 
that the final outcome of the present difference may 
prove that there are at least two yacht clubs that can 
stand the strain of a very serious difference of opinion 
without a break in the harmonious relations which have 
for so long existed between them. 
The point of the dispute is already well known on both 
sides of the ocean, through the medium of the daily 
papers, a question as to the clegibility of a new variety 
of yachting freak put forward by the Royal St. Lawrence 
Y. C. as its representative in the defense of the Sea- 
wanhaka international challenge cup. While the main 
points of the dispute are simple enough, the side issues 
and the actions of the various interested parties make a 
long and complicated story, quite overshadowing in im- 
portance the actual detail of the races. The original 
points of issue are all of them strictly technical, and 
consequently should be discussed calmly and deliberately 
on their merits, but so much feeling has been engendered 
that there is grave danger of a purely partisan quarrel 
which, no matter who may prove the victor, can only 
injure all parties and tend to throw discredit on the 
sport. 
The prime cause of the dispute is that the party which 
has opposed Dominion, including several elements, has 
made no effort whatever to judge the boat on her merits, 
but has acted from first to last on the snapshot statement 
that she is a catamaran. So far as we can learn, the 
Seawanhaka race committee has accepted this view and 
acted on it alone. The committee, being in New York, 
had no direct or positive knowledge of Dominion's form 
or construction. The numerous reports sent out to 
papers throughout the country by the Montreal corre- 
spondents go no further than the statement that Domin- 
ion is a catamaran. 
The position taken by the Seawanhaka representatives, 
Mr. Crane and his party, was essentially the same, their 
main argument being based on the assumed decisions of 
the New York Y. C. in- 1877 against the Stokes cata- 
maran Nereid, and the fact that the Herreshoff cata- 
marans of 1876 raced by themselves, and not in the regu- 
lar yacht classes. 
It was perhaps unintentional that a serious injustice 
has in this way been done to the Royaj St. Lawrence 
Y. C, in that it has been represented far and wide as 
having chosen for its representative a type of craft uni- 
versally barred from the yacht classes by at least an 
unwritten law so strong that no fair sportsman can dis- 
regard it. 
Whatever the final judgment may be as to the eligi- 
bility of Dominion in the 20ft. class of 1808, apart from all 
sentimental considerations based on archaic models and 
customs, this premature and ill-grounded condemnation 
will have little weight with yachtsmen, however it may 
appear to the devotees of other sports. 
Summed up as briefly as possible, the situation is this: 
The challenging club, the Seawanhaka Corinthian Y. C, 
of Oyster Bay and New York, sent as its representa- 
tives to Lake St. Louis two yachts, practically identical, 
and both of the same general dimensions and type as 
the winner of last year's races, the Canadian yacht Glen- 
cairn II. The defending club, the Royal St. Lawrence 
Y. C, of Montreal and Dorval, built for the defense 
four yachts, three practically the same as Glencairn I. 
The fourth yacht, Dominion, is very different from the 
Glencairn type in appearance, having a deep hollow 
down the middle of the bottom, making two distinct 
hulls. up to a point just above the normal waterline. 
For business reasons, the members of the Seawanhaka 
race committee, Messrs. Cromwell, Wetmore, Kerr and 
Sherman, were unable to be present, either before or dur- 
ing the races, but were in communication with Mr, 
Crane during the week. The final instructions of the 
committee were that. Mr. Crane should not start if Do- 
minion was chosen by the R. St. L. sailing committee, 
but leaving him to act on his judgment with Mr. Gib- 
son on the latter's arrival. 
These instructions became known on Friday to 
all at the club house at Dorval. At the same 
time Mr. R. W. Gibson, of New York, a member of the 
S. C. Y. C, arrived at Dorval as representative of the 
race committee of which he is not a member, but as he 
intended to be present to see the races, and none of 
the members of the committee could be, he was requested 
to act as its representative in any negotiations and on 
the committee steamer. It was decided by Mr. Gibson 
and Mr. Crane, in view of their being on the spot and 
more fully conversant with all the circumstances of the 
case, to disregard the instructions of the race commit- 
tee, and to start in any event, but on Friday afternoon 
Mr. Gibson made a written protest to the sailing com- 
mittee of the R. St. L. Y. C. against the selection of 
Dominion, on the two grounds that she is a double- 
hulled boat, and that catamarans are barred by general 
usage. The sailing committee declined to take 
view, and selected Dominion, she sailing against Chal- 
lenger in four races. 
The first race, on Aug. 13, was in moderate weather. 
Dominion was steered by Com. yEmilius Jarvis, Royal 
Canadian Y. C, who came from Toronto on a hasty 
summons, Mr. Duggan being quite ill and under the 
doctor's care. Dominion fouled Challenger on the start- 
ing line, and finally beat her six seconds over the 
course, after a good race, but was immediately disquali- 
fied by the sailing committee. Mr. Duggan was well 
enough by Monday to take his old place, and in a mod- 
erate breeze Dominion beat Challenger over the triangle 
by 2m, 47s,, Challenger fouling Dominion at one point 
in the race, but without affecting the result. Next 
day, in a breeze and sea. Dominion beat. Challenger by 
8m. 16s. On the last day the wind was light for a 
time, and Challenger led fairly over the first round, but 
with more wind Dominion caught and passed her at the 
end of the fourth leg, Challenger fouling the mark, but 
sailing the race out, being beaten by 2m. 27s., the foul 
in this case also not affecting the result. 
After this race Mr. Crane received orders from Messrs. 
Kerr and Dresser, by telegraph, to refuse all courtesies 
tendered by the Royal St. Lawrence Y. C, and to re- 
turn home at once; in consequence of which he and his 
party did not attend the dance given in their honor by 
the club. 
This telegram gave serious offense to some of the 
Canadians, and there were also rumors afloat, from in- 
visible sources, as always happens on such occasions; 
it was said that the S. C. Y. C. was about to make a 
formal demand for the return of the cup, and that it 
would at once repudiate the cup and refuse to have any 
further connection with it. There was the usual under- 
current of gossip and rumor on both sides, that, while 
not coming from the principals, tended to produce 
mutually strained relations. 
On Friday afternoon the sailing committee held a 
meeting in Montreal, at which it was decided to return 
the cup to the Seawanhaka Corinthian Y. C, with a 
statement of the reasons therefor. 
The Conditions. 
The conditions of the races were much the same as 
last year, with the exception of the limitations to helms- 
men and crew, as follows: 
Conditions Governing the Cup, 
Article I.— The cup shall be known as the "Seawan- 
haka International Challenge Cup for Small Yachts" 
and shall be preserved as a perpetual challenge cup for 
friendly competition between foreign countries. The 
term "foreign" as used in this instrument shall be so con- 
strued as. to permit contests for the cup between any 
country and its colonies and dependencies, and be- 
tween such colonies or dependencies themselves. 
Article II.— Any organized yacht club in good stand- 
ing of any country, foreign to the country of the yacht 
club in whose custody the cup may be, shall always have 
the right to challenge for the cup, and to sail a match 
therefor, provided that such challenge shall be made 
and such match be sailed in accordance with the terms 
and provisions of this instrument. 
Article III.— Matches for the cup shall be limited to 
yachts, propelled by sails only, whose racing measure- 
ment or size shall not exceed the maximum limit of the 
so-called "Twenty-Five Foot Racing Length Class" or 
fall below the minimum limit of the so-called "Fifteen- 
Foot Racing Length Class," of the Seawanhaka Club, 
as such classification exists at the date of this instru- 
ment, or whose racing measurement or size, according 
to the rules of the club having at the time of challenge 
the custody ^f the cup, falls within limits of size sub- 
stantially corresponding to the limits above specified. 
Article IV.— All matches shall be sailed between a 
single yacht on behalf of the challenging club and a 
single yacht on behalf of the challenged club. Neither 
club shall be required to name its representative vacht in 
advance of the races, but the match shall be sailed to a 
conclusion between the yachts selected for or sailing 
the first race thereof, and no substitution of one yacht 
for another shall be permitted after the preparatory sig- 
nal of the first race has been given. 
Article V.— A match shall be constituted of not less 
than three or more than five races, and shall be awarded 
to the club whose representative yacht shall win a 
majority of such races. 
Article VI.— The representative yachts of the challeng- 
ing and challenged clubs must be constructed in the 
respective countries of such clubs. Centerboards or 
plates or sliding keels shall always be permitted in con- 
struction, and no restriction shall be placed upon their 
use. All ballast must be fixed. 
Article X.— The helmsmen, sailing the representative 
yachts in the match, must be amateurs and must be resi- 
dents of the countries of their respective clubs. The 
challenging and challenged clubs must name in writing, 
each to the other, or to their respective representatives,' 
at least twenty-four hours before the day appointed for 
the first race, the helmsmen who will sail their represen- 
tative yachts, and such helmsmen shall sail such yachts 
in all the races of the match unless prevented by ill- 
ness, or other substantial cause, in which event sub- 
stitutes will be allowed. 
Article XL — The challenging and the challenged clubs 
mav, by mutual agreement, fix and decide all the terms 
and conditions of the match, whether relating to dates, 
courses, rules of measurement, sailing regulations, no- 
tices or any other matter whatsoever pertaining to the 
match or preliminary thereto, and may also by mutual 
agreement waive for such match such of the provisions 
of this instrument as would otherwise govern the match 
or the preliminaries thereof, provided, however, that the 
limit of the racing length or the size of the competing 
yachts shall in no event exceed the maximum limit as 
established by this instrument in Article III. thereof, un- 
less the consent in writing of the Seawanhaka Club to so 
increasing such limit shall first have been obtained. 
General Regulations Governing the Match for 1898, Be- 
tween the Representative Yachts of the Royal St 
Lawrence Yacht Club, of Montreal, Holder of the 
Cup, and the Seawanhaka Corinthian Yacht Club of 
New York, Challenger, 
