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of measurement, regardless of the means used to keep 
those hulis together, 
In design and in actual sailing she is a double-hulled 
boat. In construction she has but a single hull. Clearly 
design should have the call, and the boat be placed in 
that class. She is indeed an elaboration of the Chal- 
lenger, Speculator and Glencairn II. principle, but the 
line between single and double-hulled boats would seem 
to be reached when the centraf portion of the boat 
clears the water. 
This is the distinction the writer made when he first 
Saw the boat, and he sees no reason to change his opin- 
ion. There was nothing specific in the agreement for 
the match to bar a double-hulled boat, and so designer 
Duggan was within the letter of the law. 
Plymouth Yacht Club. 
Resail of the Labor Day race. Wind light S.W.; 
course, six miles. 
Fifth Class. 
Dolphin, N. Morton .♦. 1 30 50 
Amie, M. S. Weston, Jr 1 32 02 
Sixth Class. . „ 
Houp-La, J. Delano 1 50 05 
Olympia, T. W. Steele 1 41 58 
Scrap, Arthur Holmes 1 44 59 
Veritas, Alex. Holmes 1 42 54 
9 Kittiwake^ H. M. Tones 1 44 13 
Wabun, Geo. W. Shiverick 1 46 25 
W. T. Eldridge, Sec'y. 
What Dominion actually is has been shown pretty 
plainly in the course of these articles, and we have 
little doubt that many who at the outset condemned her 
as a catamaran and her designer for building a machine 
to race against an honest boat will change their opinion; 
at any rate, here she is before the yachting world, and 
the immediate question is no longer how or why she 
came, but what is to be done with her? If she is to 
be accepted, as her predecessors have been, on her es- 
tablished merits, well and good; as a freak and a racing 
machine she at least possesses many advantages over the 
other freaks and machines of the 20ft. class. 
If she is to be barred, there is work ahead for some 
one during the coming winter. The mere arbitrary state- 
ment, unsupported by proof or argument, that she is of 
a prohibited type, is likely to find little favor with fair- 
minded and progressive yachtsmen. Assuming that 
she may fairly be classed as a double-hull boat, there 
will probably be serious difficulty in establishing a pre- 
cedent for barring her on this ground. If it be sought 
to make a precedent by drawing a plausible line between 
the boat with a plane of flotation which is one and un- 
divided in upright position, and one in which there are 
two distinct planes, there is still the possibility of the 
type surviving by such an alteration of the design as 
shall preserve its essential features and at the same time 
keep the hollow of the floor barely below the water 
when measured. We are of the opinion that the only 
satisfactory solution of the question and the only just 
method of dealing with Dominion is by such a radical 
change of the rule as will put a fair valuation upon those 
elements of advantage which she now enjoys freely in 
company with Glencairn and Challenger; and that, in 
barring "her, if it goes so far, will bar them with equal 
certainty, "and make way for a reasonable and sensible 
type of small yacht for the cup racing. W. P. S. 
Yacht Measurement. 
London, Sept. 29. — Editor Forest and- Stream: Owing 
to my absence from New York, the Forest and Stream 
of Sept. 10, containing Mr. R. E. Froude's remarks on' 
the measurement question, has only just now been read 
by me. My interest in such action by the clubs in the 
near future as shall promote yacht building and much 
greater activitv in racing than has been had for a long 
time past, is such that I think it desirable to present 
different aspects of some matters from those offered to 
us by Mr. Froude. He states that "the primary and 
legitimate function of any rating rule is to measure 
size, in order to eliminate the element of mere 'size' 
from the competition. When, therefore, a rule directly 
provides that by increase of some measured dimension 
the rating for racing is decreased, such rule clearly con- 
tradicts this primary and legitimate function, and avow- 
edly becomes a mere engine for the control of design." 
It does not appear to me that Mr. Froude's definition 
of the primary function of a rating rule is one that 
meets the common apprehension, and it very manifest- 
ly neither comprehends nor includes the legitimate 
function of a good and adequate rule. Since, how- 
ever, he gives (and with apparent approval) as the 
purpose of the girth and beam rule "to take a more 
compact form"; "to take a larger area may be, but 
expressly a larger area relatively to the extreme cross 
section dimensions," we are left to infer that he ap- 
proves a rule by the operation of which a lessened rat- 
ing is secured by an increased area of midship section, 
provided the designer is restricted as to the form of his 
midship section. 
It is my opinion that this restriction should not be put 
upon the designer, that he should be charged equitably, 
as nearly as can be estimated, for the use of levers which 
are known to give advantage; and, should be credited, 
as economic considerations would require, with the 
extent of work done as represented by the area of_ mid- 
ship section, and that the equities having been satisfied, 
the designer should be left with, all the freedom possible 
to work out his problem to his own satisfaction, and 
with accommodation to his owner's needs. 
It would be a manifest oversight of the requirement 
of American conditions to regard the sail tax as "broad- 
ly equivalent to a tax simply on sail carrying power," 
and to eliminate the factor representative of sail area, or 
to take the power itself, however represented, as indicat- 
ing the measure of advantage that can be gained in 
racing by the use of large areas of canvas in American 
waters, under average conditions. The premium on 
large sail plans, in such case, would be extravagantly 
heavy, and the result <could only be disaopointing and 
disastrous to yacht racing. It must be kept in mind 
that no large participation in yacht building and yacht 
racing can reasonably be hoped for without some con- 
sideration of, and adaptation to, the wants of the average 
owner, and that while it is no proper function of any 
rule to furnish an undue premium for any special type 
of vessel, the equities and features should be so con- 
sidered and dealt with that a good and acceptable type 
should have at least an even opportunity for racing 
successfully. It is, I think, useless to expect any really 
satisfactory racing with vessels of much cost until these 
conditions have been brought about. J. H. 
YACHTING NEWS NOTES, 
The Gilberts Bar Y. C, of Waveland, Fla., held its 
annual meeting on Oct. 1, the following officers being 
elected: Com., H. E. Sewall; Vice-Corn., F. W. Willes; 
Sec'y, C. B. B. Harrison; Treas., E. S. Harmer; Referee, 
J. H. S. Panter. The officers' addresses are: H. E. 
Sewall, Commodore, Sewall's Point, Fla.; C. B. B. 
Harrison, Secretary, Waveland, Fla. 
Red Dragon C. C. 
The Red Dragon C. C. held its fall paddling races 
for silver prizes at Wissinoming, Pa., Saturday, Sept. 
17. The course was from the Blue House to the Red 
Dragon club house, a distance of one-half mile. There 
was a light south wind, with ebb tide. The open canoe 
double-blade paddling race was one of the closest in 
the history of the club. Sprite, E. W. Crittenden, made 
a grand spurt at the finish and caught Proa, M. D. 
Wilt, napping. Mr. Crittenden was declared winner; 
time five minutes. 
The tandem paddling race for open canoes, single- 
blade, was an easy victory for Sprite, E. W. Crittenden 
and H. M. Rogers, over Proa, M. D. Wilt and Lloyd 
Titus; time four minutes.. 
On Sept. 24 and 25 the Red Dragon C. C. took a 
paddling cruise to Burlington, N. J. The fleet included 
Chiquita, J. E. Murray; Wanderer, F. L. Wise, E. 
Heminway; Proa, M. D. Wilt, Lloyd Titus; Sprite, A. 
S. Fenimore, E. W. Crittenden; Elinore, Harry Mc- 
Cormick, H. Rogers; Kazim, Chas. Zimmerling, Lieut. 
Cook; Fineen, J. M. Hamilton. Commodore Harry 
Fleischmann, with the launch Spark, accompanied the 
fleet. His crew consisted of H. Ripp Fleischmann and 
H. E. Bachmann. 
The party left the club house at 4 P. M., reaching the 
Lakanoo Boat Club headquarters. Burlington, at 7 P. M. 
The supper was at Marlins Hotel, and the evening 
was enjoyably spent at the Lakanoo Boat Club, where 
a smoker was given in their honor. 
The fleet returned home on the following day, reach- 
ing the club house at 4:30 P. M. The weather was 
hardly favorable for canoeing, as the sky was cloudy, and 
a chilling wind blew during the afternoon, yet all re- 
ported a grand time. 
The gun club of the Red Dragon C. C. will com- 
mence the season's trap-shooting about the first week 
of November. Several prizes have been donated, and a 
series of ten bi-monthly shoots will be held, with regu- 
lar weekly practice. A handicap system will be used 
and points awarded, so that the poorer shots will have 
an equal chance to win with the best. The club is in 
a very prosperous condition, and several new members 
have lately joined, W. K. P. 
The Forest and Stream is put to press each week on Tuesday. 
Correspondence intended for publication should reach us at the 
latest by Monday, and as much earlier Ss practicable. 
PRIZES FOR AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHS. 
The Forest and Stream offers prizes for meritorious 
work with the camera, under conditions which follow: 
The prizes will be divided into three series: (1) for 
live wild game; (2) for game in parks; (3) for other sub- 
jects relating to shooting and fishing. 
(1) For live game photographs three prizes are of- 
fered, the first of $50, the second of $25, and the third of 
$10. 
(2) For live game in parks, for the best picture, a 
prize of $10. 
(3) For the best pictures relating to Forest and 
Stream's field — shooting and fishing, the camp, camp- 
ers and camp life, sportsman travel by land and water, 
incidents of field and stream — a first prize of $20, a sec- 
ond of $15, a third of $10, and for fourth place two prizes 
of $5 each. 
There is no restriction as to the time nor as to where 
the pictures have been made or may be made. 
Pictures will be received up to Dec. 31 this year. 
All work must be original; that is to say, it must not 
have been submitted to any other competition or have 
been published. 
There are no restrictions as to the make or style of 
camera, nor as to size of plate. 
A competitor need not be a subscriber to the Forest 
and Stream. 
All work must be that of amateurs. 
The photographs will be submitted to a committee, 
who, in making their award, will be instructed to take 
into consideration the technical merits of the work as 
a photograph, its artistic qualities and other things be- 
ing equal, the unique and difficult nature of the subject. 
Photographs should be marked for identification with 
initials or a pseudonym only, and with each photograph 
should be given, answering to the initials, the name of 
sender, title of view, locality, date and names of camera, 
and plate or film. 
life a* m n e m & 
Fixtures. 
Oct. 21-23— Los Angeles, Cal.— First fall tournament of the Los 
Angeles Sharpshooters. Open to all riflemen. F. S. Hicks, Sec'y. 
Hoboken Tournament. 
The tournament of the Hoboken Schuetzen Corps, and the 
Independent Schuetzen Corps, of New York, at the Onion Hill 
Schuetzen Park, was concluded early this week. 
Hoboken Schuetzen Corps. 
Ring target: Herman Neumann 64, George Friedrichs 64, Ernest 
Fischer 61, George Wehner 49, James H. Kruse 63, Michael Capp 
42, Charles F. Muller 60. 
Point target: George A. Friedrichs 12, Michael Capp 16, Julius 
Berger 14, Emil Berckmann 18. 
Medal winners: Champion class, Ernest Fischer; first class, 
Julius H. Kruse; second class, George A. Friedrichs; third class,. 
George W ehner. 
Point medal winners: Emil Berckmann, Julius H Kruse, Geo. 
A. Friedrichs, Charles F. Muller, Julius Berger, Michael Capp 
and George Wehner. 
Best bullseye: Herman Neumann, diamond medal; Charles F- 
Muller, gold medal. 
Independent Schuetzen Corps. 
Ring target: Emil Berckmann 65, Ernest Fischer 68, Andrew 
Peters 62, H. W. Schmidt 58, Carl Jack 61, C. F. Muller 62. 
Point target: Emil Berckmann 18, Ernest Fischer 18, Andrew 
Peters 14, H. VV. Schmidt 15, Carl Jack 13, Charles F. Muller 7. 
Medal winners: Champion class, Andrew Peters; first class,. 
Henry W. Schmidt; second class, Charles F. Muller; third class,. 
Carl Weis. 
Point medal winners: Capt. Claus Basse, Ernest Fischer, Emil 1 . 
Berckmann, Henry W. Schmidt, Charles F. Muller and Carl Jack. 
Most bullseyes: Andrew Peters, first prize; William Schmidt,, 
second prize. 
Medal for best man target score : . Ernest Fischer. 
'rap^^hooting. 
Fixtures. 
Oct. 11-12.— Mt. Sterling, 111.— Mt. Sterling Gun Club's Iwo days' 
tournament. J. Breldenbend, Sec'y. 
Oct. 11-14.— Baltimore, Md. — Fourth annual fall tournament of 
the Baltimore Shooting Association; two days at targets, two at 
live birds. $100 added each day. Geo. S. Harrison, Sec'y. 
Oct. 12. — Reading, Pa. — South End Gun Club's all-day tourna- 
ment and trophy shoot. Arthur A. Fink, Manager, Reading, Pa. 
Oct. 12-13. — Greensburgh, Ind. — Greensburgh Gun Club's tour- 
nament. VV, Woodfill, Sec'y. 
Oct. 12-14. — Dayton, O. — Rolla Heikes' tournament; one day 
live birds; $200 added to target events. 
Oct. 15. — Bound Brook, N. J. — Central New Jersey League team 
contest. 
Oct. 18-21. — Belle Meade Stock Farm, near Nashville, Tenn. — - 
Two days at target; two days at live birds; $500 added. W. R.. 
Elliston, Manager. 
Oct. 19. — Lyndhurst, N. J. — Twenty-five-bird handicap, $10 en- 
trance; 10 birds, $5 entrance. T. W. Morfey, Sec'y. 
Oct. 25-27. — St. Louis, Mo. — Tournament at Dupont Park. 
Oct. 27. — Dexter Park, Brooklyn. — Opening live-bird shoot of,' 
Greater New York Gun Club. H. S. Lippack, Sec'y. 
Oct. 27-29. — Louisville, Ky. — Tournament of the Kentucy Gum 
Club. Championship, of Kentucky on last day, 25 pigeons. Emile- 
Pragoff, Secretary. 
Nov. 15-17. — Eau Claire, Wis. — Dan R. Scammon's tournament;; 
two days at targets; one at live birds. 
Nov. 23. — Hackensack, N. J. — All-day target tournament. C 
O. Gardner, Jr., Sec'y. 
Dec. 13. — Burnside Crossing, 111. — John Watson's tournaments 
live birds only. 
1S99. 
April 11-13.— Elkwood Park, Long Branch, N. J.— The Inter- 
state Association's seventh annual Grand American Handicap 
tournament. 
May 24-25. — Greenwood, S. C. — Annual live-bird tournament of 
the Greenwood Gun Club; 25-bird Southern Handicap. R. G. 
McCants, Sec'y. 
June 7-9. — Columbus, O. — Tournament of the Ohio Trap- Shoot- 
ers' League, under the auspices of the Sherman Rod and Gun 
Club. J. C. Porterfield, Sec'y, O. T. S. L. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
Club secretaries are invited to send their scores for publication in 
these columns, also any news notes they may care to have printed. Ties 
n all events are considered as divided unless otherwise reported. Mail 
all such matter to Forest and Stream Publishing Company, 346 Broad- 
way, New York. 
The opening shoot of the Greater New York Club (incor- 
porated) will take place at Dexter Park, Jamaica avenue and 
Enfield street, Oct. 27. The competition will be at live birds, 
four events. No. 1 is at 5 birds, $3 entrance, birds extra at 25' 
cents. Second event, 7 birds, $5, birds included. Third event,, 
miss-and-out, $3. birds extra. Fourth event, Incorporation Handi- 
cap, 15 birds, $10 entrance, $15 added if ten or more entries; if" 
fifteen or more, $22; if twenty or more, $30; if twenty-five or more,. 
$37 added. Price of birds, at 60 cents per pair, deducted from: 
purse. All guns to stand on or behind the 25yd. mark to suit 
the shooter, but no shooter has the right to change his handi- 
cap after his first shot in this event. Class shooting. 
Under date of Oct. 8 Mr. C. O. Gardner, secretary of the Ber - 
gen County Gun Club, writes us as follows: "The Bergen County 
Gun Club, of Hackensack, N. J., will hold an all-day target 
tournament at its grounds, three minutes' walk from the Hacken-- 
sack station of the N. Y., Sus. & W. R. R., on Wednesday, Nov.. 
23. On that occasion the club will do its best to make up an at- 
tractive programme, and can at any rate promise its visitors; 
a good time and plenty of shooting. Very few grounds are' 
easier of access than our, as they are less than three-quarters of are 
hour's run from the New York side of the North River." 
Mr. E. D. Fulford, Utica, N. Y., -writes us as follows: "I wish 
to make a correction in my letter of last week in Forest and 
Stream. I intended to say, and thought I did say, 'there are 
100 semi-amateurs offering to do our work in their different places 
for ammunition or a gun.* It is all in the letter, but I think 
shifted." Mr. Fulford's note of last week, as corrected by him in 
the part referred to, would read as follows: "What is more, as 
you well said, and as I am in a position to know, there are over 
100 semi-amateurs, that are putting up the squeal, trying to under- 
mine the honest man by offering to take care of a certain county 
or travel for ammunition only or a gun." 
Messrs. Von Lengerke & Detmold, 318 Broadway, New York, 
have issued recently an elaborately illustrated catalogue, with a 
complete descriptive text and price list, 128 pages in all. The 
illustrations of the guns and the text therewith are particularly 
complete. The "Knockabout" gun, which they make a specialty 
of in the way of a good gun at a moderate figure comparatively, 
adorns the first page. The catalogue will be sent on application. 
There is a need of a trophy for competition among the shooters 
of New York and vicinity. At present there is no competition 
which has more than a club significance. . A trophy, with handi- 
cap conditions governing it, and restricting the competition to 
an area within fifty or severity-five miles of New York, so that 
there would not be material expense or loss of time in travel, 
would meet a long-felt want. 
Mr. W. F. Parker made an excellent run on the first day of the 
Newburgh tournament last week, scoring 82 targets consecutively. 
There is quite a high degree of class work in such a performance. 
