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fingwell had 3 birds, and went out with 18 this time, and Geo. 
Thome packed his gun at the 10 hole. Fletcher, the big Rlue 
Island shooter, looked dangerous, and Hvde was a uroblcm for 
them all when the six straight men stepped to the score for 
the tie. Stone was shooting a light gun, and it is said he is 
practically a beginner at the traps, though a good field shot. 
He was in at the last row, though needing his handicap. 
Barto was scratch in the tie, conceding 10 to 20 birds in the 100 
to the others. The finish was not made til! nearly 5 P. M., 
though the sky brightened, so that the light was good. Tie on 
second was shot between Roll and Alabaster, Roll winning, 5 to 
i. Scores : 
Dr S Shaw, 29, 1 22222220222*20212220 —16 
J L Alabaster, 29, 3 '.101210*2222212*11111222 —19 
W B Lcffiiigwell. 30, 3 211222110*120*221222102 — 18 
F D Stone, 2S, 6 03 11*1 2«21 1 221 "21 1 "221 1 22 — 20 
M J Eich, 29. 2 2101110011211*121022 w 
P V. Fletcher, 28, 3 11221222012111002112221 —20 
C C Hvde, 28, 4 , 2H2211 "0221 112220021212 —20 
Geo Thorne, 28, % 020^202222 w 
J II Ambere, 28, 3 21 01 02 11 21 21 1*2221 21 121 —20 
.1 B Barto, 29, 1 1121'nll 1 221 21 2111 222 —20 
Geo Roll, 29, 1 221212222111202221012 — i9 
C E Comlv, 28. 2 0011110023 w 
R Simonetti, 30, 3 220] n2?ni 222*0 w 
E M Steck. 29. 1 21 122222»201 2(12221 120 —17 
Silas Palmer. 29, 2 21 21 22201 1222220111222 —20 
H B Foss, 30. 3 11111011002210 
Edith Porter, 27, 5 0200110201 w 
Shoot-off of ties: 
Trap score type— Copyright, MS, by Forest and Stream Publishing Co. 
1224524455 534515 54 5 4 
FBStone, 28, 2 2 2 1 2 2 0 0 1 2 0 2 J Amberg,28,l.l 10 12 1112 12 
28413 5 42 5 2 IS? 5 24414 
PFletcher,28,l 1 2 2 2 1 0 2 1 1 2 1 JC Barto,29,0 2 2 2 2 * 1 1 2 1 0 
2112522515 1. 512 3 248 5 1 
CC Hyde,28,2.1 * 1 1 1 * 0 0 1 1 1 S Palmer, 29, 1. 0 2 2 2 1 1 1 * 1 2 
Shoot-off of 19: 
Alabaster, 29, 1 01122 Roll, 29, 0 2U11 
Audubon Club. 
Bad weather prevailed at Audubon Club shoot this week, only 
two men appearing for the medal contest, Messrs. Amberg and 
Gillespie. These two opened the house none the less. Both shot 
at scratch. Amberg won, scoring 17 to Mr. Gillespie's 15. This 
made the first win of the week for Mr. Amberg, though in this 
case the field was not so large as in the Montgomery Ward 
badge event. 
Chicago Athletic Association. 
The regular medal shoot of the C. A. A. brought uut only five 
members last Thursdav. Mr. F. B. Stone, 26yds., 3 birds. "won, 
scoring 14. Mr. Geo. Thorne shot at scratch, scoring 12. Scores: 
J H Turrill, 3 112210220200001—12 
G A Thorne, 0 22222222020122*— 12 
E A Russell, 3..,. ,,,,, 200021122221020—13 
E W Miller, 3 021222220022010—13 
F B Stone, 3 012120220112110—14 
The wind and rain were against high scores. 
Chicago— Milwaukee. 
The second team shoot between Chicago and Milwaukee live- 
bird teams came off Oct. 16 on the grounds of the Milwaukee 
Gun Club, at the Cream City, and this time the Chicago men 
won decisively, in measure retrieving the defeat of the first race. 
The rubber will be played at Chicago, Nov. 26. The invaders 
of Milwaukee are members of the Sheridan Gun Club, of Chicago, 
of which Sheriff Pease is a warm member. The Milwaukee 
Gun Club is headed by Mr. W. D. Cantillon, a railroad man, 
assistant superintendent of the Northwestern R. R., who is one 
of the cracks of his city, and has been doing some good work 
with the birds. Following are the scores of the contest: 
Milwaukee. 
W TJ Cantillon, 30 ....121022121022222211202122212222—26 
A I. Kiefer, 29 200202221200221021122020202022—20- 
Edward Mov, 28 210201111122100121200212022 —22 
Win King, 29 12211121121122120120222 1 0°1012— 26 
H Roland, 23 2lll202ll2l0 1 .02nino2l1ll2'll— 24 
.1 Bush, 30 001222112222211201111212110012—28—146 
Chicago. 
Joseph Barto, 30 222121 221112221111 21 1 12221101 0— 2S 
james Pease, 29 222211201 1 11102211 102102211 021—25 
J J Healy, 29... 1122122. 2'1222?2212122220U212— 29 
J E Flannigan, 28 220202111221121121211212221020—26 
R Simon, 28 122202220111211222021220202222—25 
R S Mott, 30 111122101221122221120111202211—27—160 
At the Sycamore, 111., shoot last week Dr. Pankhurst, of Grand 
Detour, was high gun the first day, .919 per cent.; Simpson, of 
Sycamore, second, .886. On the second day Woodford, of Dixon, 
was first, .900 per cent. ; Simpson a fraction back. 
St. Louis Trap-Shooters' Leauge will hold its tournament at 
Du Pont Park, Oct. 25-27, and it is expected that the old guard 
and some of^ the voung guard will be on hand. 
Ottumwa Gun Club, of Ottumwa, la., will hold its annual tour- 
nament Nov. 21-22. Magautrap. Equitable. Open. 
Final Date of Limited Gun Club Shoot, 
Limited Gun Club, of Indianapolis, has had difficulty with its 
dates. ( I have earlier mentioned changes, Oct. 16 they wrote, 
changing date from Dec. 5-9 to Dec. 19-21, having discovered a 
conflict. Under date of Oct. 19, their secretary. Mr. H. T. Hear' 
sey, writes to announce another and final change of this date s 
the earlier date being again taken. Mr. Hearsey says': "We are 
compelled to ask, your kind indulgence once more. The directors 
of the Limited Gun Club have again changed the date for the 
Grand Central handicap. They claim the dates first decided upon, 
Dec. 5-9. If you will kindly make mention of these dates in 
your paper, you will more than oblige." 
E Hough. 
1200 Boyce Building, Chicago, 111 
Eureka Gun Club, 
The Eureka Gun Club held its regular weekly contest Oct. 22. 
Many of the club members were away, duck and chicken shoot- 
ing. The next shoot will be the last regular target contest for 
the season of 1898, after which the medals will be awarded in 
the various classes. The club contemplate giving some mer- 
chandise prizes for high scores of the stock on hand, which 
bas been won by the club during t.hS.year, and it is expected 
that a goodly number will be in attendance. 
Following are the scores in the practice events, all of which 
were shot from the magautrap: 
Events: 1 2 3 4 Events: 12 3 4 
Targets: 25 10 25 10 Targets: 25 10 25 10 
A C Paterson 21 6 .. .-. Pollard . ,. 13 5 18 .. 
W D Stannard...... 18 8 19 S Dr Morton 11 . . 11 5 
Walters 13 2 . . . . Mattheson 1 . . . . 
In the trophy contest, 25 targets, Class A was won by W. D. 
Stannard, Class B by J. Walters, and Class C was uncon- 
tested for, The scores; 
Class A: W. D. Stannard 22, A. C. Paterson SO. 
Class B: Walters 16. 
Class C: Pollard (visitor) 12. 
Milwaukee Gun Club. 
Following the team race of the Milwaukee Gun Club was a 
sweep at 10 live birds, which resulted as follows : Lemon 7, Can- 
tillon 10, VVulf 8, Barto 10, Mott 8, Kiefer 8, Flanigan 9, Moy 8, 
Pease 9. Barto and Cantillon divided first money, Flanigan and 
Pease divided second. 
Watson's Park. 
On Oct. 19 a few shooters of the' Garfield and Eureka gifh clubs 
spent the afternoon at Watson's Park in live-bird shooting. 
Sweeps and practice was indulged in. The first was a practice 
jhoot at 30 live birds, 30vds. rise, the Carsons (father and son) 
Jeing for first, with Nusley second. The scores were: H, F. 
Cars'ton 24/ Nusl&y 17/ R, Bi Carson 21/ Wilks 15. 
A. C, PATER30K. 
IN NEW JERSEY. 
Bad "Weather at Lyndhurst. 
Oct. 19.— The heavy rain in the early part of the day put an 
end to all hopes of a good attendance in the 25-bird handicap 
Association. Four shooters only put in an appearance— Tom Mor- 
scheduled for' to-day on the grounds of the Lyndhurst Shooting 
fey, the proprietor of the grounds, making a fifth when it came 
to sweepstakes. As so few entries were present, it was decided 
to postpone the main event until Tuesday, Oct. 25. As those 
on hand wanted to shoot a few birds, the following sweepstakes 
were decided: 
No. 1. No. 2. No. 3. " No. 4. 
Class, 31 1102112—6 1222122—7 2121121220— 9 221*112210— 8 
Sanders, 26 010121*— 4 2021012—5 1221210100— 7 12*11101*2— 7 
Packard, 2S .,..0012110—1 1221011—6 1011102110— 7 1011122202—8 
M or fey. 30 2200220—4 0112202—5 1100221220— 7 *001 200010— 3 
Bumi, 32 ,. 2222122—7 2212211221—10 1212122122—10 
Hackensack River Gun Club. 
lloboken, N. J., Oct. 22.— The scores made at H. R. G. C. 
shoot Friday, Oct. 14, at Schuetzen Park, Union Hill, are ap- 
pended. The grounds proved very unsatisfactory, and we have 
concluded to hold our next regular shoots at our old grounds, 
Heflich's Hotel. All shooting was done in a driving rain storm, 
and while it greatly impeded the flight of the birds it was by 
no means beneficial to the shooter: 
Ten-bird sweep, $5 entrance, 28yds. rise: 
Biemer 1122111221—10 Fry 1122210222— 9 
I Little 12*1112122—9 Kleber *020212220— 6 
W Hexamer 0221222222— 9 Engel 0021201000—4 
Stelze 0202022*10— 7 Hoops 2222102020— 7 
Match at 10 birds, 28yds. rise, $10 a side: 
Chartrand 2102202220— 7 Kramer 0*10202000— 3 
Team race, for price, of birds: 
H Thorout 12222—5 Capt Jack 12122—5 
Hoops 02022—3— 8 Young 00200—1—6 
John L. Chartrand, Sec'y- 
At a meeting on Oct. 18 the Chicago Y. C. instructed 
the secretary to notify the Royal Canadian Y. C. of the 
club's intention to challenge for the Canada cup for 
1899. A committee will be appointed to arrange the 
details as soon as the class is decided on. 
Vermilion County Medal Shoot. 
Sidell, ill., Oct. 19.— The medal shoot of Vermilion county, 
held at Sidell, brought out a few shooters, and some fair scores 
were made. II. J. Sconce, who has won the medal twice, was 
challenged by Mr' Jackson and Mr. ft. VV. Cadwaliader, of Dan- 
ville, to shoot the winner. Mr. Sconce won the first match from 
Mr. Jackson by the score of 45 to 44, and then shot Mr. Cadwal- 
iader", and lost to him by the score of 46 to 44. The wind was 
heavy, and it had bean raining the two days previous, and with 
a dull sky, which made the targets difficult to see. Below are 
the scores: 
Events: 1 23456789 10 
Targets: 10 1 5 10 15 10 15 20 10 10 10 
Cad . ■ 5 13 8 11 5 14 16 6 8 7 
Gray • .•• 4 14 9 12 .. .. .. .. .• 
Tarkson . 10 9 13 8 10 19 10 8 7 
"Sconce 9 lz . . .. 8 14 18 7 10 10 
Carson 7 14 8 15 6 13 17 6 9 9 
Linder ..X/ZZ 7 11 7 8 8 11 11 8 8 9 
Laurence ........ 7 11 7 . . 
Club medal shoot, 50 targets, A. S. A. ruley: 
Jackson 11 1 1 1 11 1111 011011 111111 11—23 
J 0101111111011111011111111-21-44 
c; cotlce 1101 1 1 1 01 1011111111111111— 22 
1111111111110111011111111—23-45 
cfd^nad'er atC . 1 ! ! 111111110111illllllH0111-23 
Cauuaiiacter 1.111111111111101101111111-23-46 
Sconce ini1Hlimmi'ni1111111— 23 
° 1111010111111111110111011-21-44 
As the yachting journal of America, the Forest and Stream is 
the recognized medium of communication between the maker of 
yachtsmen's supplies and the yachting public. Its value for ad- 
vertising has been uemonstrated by. patrons who have employed 
its columns continuously for years. 
From the programme published this week, the com- 
ing meeting of the Society of Naval Architects promises 
to be quite as interesting as any that have preceded it. 
Several of the papers have a direct application to the 
exciting events of the past summer, and the discussions 
should be very profitable. A new feature of the meeting 
is the topical discussion of various questions. The or- 
ganization of this young but prosperous society came 
at an opportune time, when the revival of American ship- 
building was just under way. At the present time it is 
in a condition to lend material aid to that development 
of the art of shipbuilding which promises in the near 
future to rival even the successes of the past. 
The first attempt at the exclusion of the Dominion 
type by special legislation was made last week by the 
Y. R. A. of Massachusetts. The amendment, as re- 
ported, is inadequate and ineffective, and fails to meet 
the conditions of the case. In order to be of any value, it 
must be supplemented by a comprehensive ' definition of 
the vague and meaningless expression, _ 'yachts of the 
ordinary type." There is now nothing to indicate 
whether or no such an extreme freaK as Cartoon, a fin- 
keel scow, is of the "ordinary" or of extraordinary, type. 
If she and others of her kind, the modern scow, are 
recognized as legitimate, it is certainly most unfair and 
unreasonable to bar the sharpie, the more primitive em- 
bodiment of the same idea, and much closer in general 
features to the older yachts. It is all well enough to 
bar the double-hull boat, but it must be done justly and 
reasonably, on a sound scientific basis. 
Mr. John Hyslop, the well-known measurer of the 
New York. Larchmont and Seawanhaka Yacht Clubs, 
Was one of the few fortunate survivors of the terrible 
wreck of the steamship Mohegan, on Oct. 14. The vessel, 
bound down Channel, after sailing from London at noon, 
on Oct. 13, went far off her course for some reason as 
yet unknown,* and instead of keeping clear of the Lizards 
by some miles, she ran ashore on the Manacles, very 
dangerous rocks in the deep bay between Falmouth and 
the Lizards. Only fifty persons, out of a total of nearly 
200, were saved by the ship's boats and lifeboats, Mr. 
Hyslop being one of the eleven passengers saved out of 
fifty. No particulars of his escape are yet known. After 
an absence of twenty-seven years from England, Mr. 
Hyslop sailed from New York last July, and since then 
has traveled in England and Scotland, using £ "wheel 
where convenient. He had planned to return 4fc the 
steamer Manitou. but a change of sailing dateff^pla©e<3 
htm oh her sister ship instead, 
The 20ft. Racing Class. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Permit me to trespass further on your space and cour- 
tesy to develop my suggestion for the restrictions for 
a 20ft. class next year, as given in Forest and Stream 
of Sept. 24. 
The professed aim of S. C. Y. C. is to encourage Cor- 
inthian sailing in a safe, seaworthy and speedy yacht, and 
it seems to me that the present opportunity is a golden 
one for so doing by securing through mutual agree- 
ment such restrictions for the '99 racing as will compel 
the production of such a yacht and afford an opportunity 
for testing the value of restrictions such as I propose, 
which have the advantage of being new, never discred- 
ited, and of universal applicability, since all of the ele- 
ments can be fixed by reference to our past experience 
in yachts of good type. 
My suggestion is: • 
Extreme L.W.L. when yacht is heeled to gunwale, 
20ft.; limit of draft when erect, 4 l Ah.; actual sail area, 
Soosq.ft. in two sails (80 per cent, in mainsail); area of 
spinaker, 25osq.ft; displacement, 3,ooolbs. ballast, ex- 
clusive of crew, i,ooolbs. freeboard, i6in.; crew, three 
men. 
The effect of such an agreement would be the follow- 
ing: 
First. — The relegation to innocuous desuetude of 
yachts of the Glencairn-Dominion type; this would be 
accomplished by limiting the gain in length from the 
use of a form having a flat floor and long overhangs, or 
through a double hull, to a reasonable amount by 
measuring L.W.L. when inclined in conjunction with 
the requirements of displacement; together securing 
either a full-bodied yacht of moderate midship section 
or a finely lined yacht of large midship section. The 
effect can be immediately seen by reference to your dis- 
cussion of Oct. 15. All of the yachts there mentioned 
have about i,7Solbs. displacement, with the inclined 
waterline limited and 3,ooolbs. displacement' the area 
of midship section would be increased; the actual beam 
when inclined would be increased or the depth of body 
increased, and in consequence the excessive over all 
length would be useless; at the same time there would 
be enough length to afford a large above-water body 
to assist in preventing the undue burying of the yacht 
in a seaway. The inclined L.W.L. when aoplied gen- 
erally would be given as a maximum, the designer being 
permitted, if desired, to decrease it. 
Second. — The cost of construction of the yacht to 
meet these requirements would be very much less than 
the present cost of a racing 20-footer, 1 am ready now 
to make a contract for the type shown (Fig. 1) for $650 
for one yacht, and for a proportionately less amount 
for a greater number, this to include the yacht ready 
to race with a tender 8ft. long of the bateau model. This 
cheapening of cost is rendered possible by requiring a 
good displacement and limiting the amount of fixed 
ballast, thereby allowing an adequate weight for a 
solidly and inexpensively constructed hull and spars, 
using practically the conventional sizes for framing. An 
incidental advantage is that the hull is thus left free 
from trussing, and thereby makes the room in the hull 
available for other purposes. Though intended as .an 
open class I show what can be expected from a sum- 
mer cabin. 
Third. — With a roomy hull and cheapened cost cf con- 
struction the cost of racing is also decreased. The 
yachts can be fitted with a summer cabin and used for 
sailing throughout the entire season, their period of 
usefulness is greatly lengthened and consequently it is 
probable that a larger number of yachts will be built for 
the trial races, and racing thereby stimulated, interest 
in the class revived and interest in yachting also re- 
vived. 
Fourth. — With the amount of ballast, displacement 
and limit of load waterline length fixed, a smaller crev 
can race the yacht, its influence on the righting moment 
is decreased and the injurious influence of the moving 
of the crew t6 handle sails on the trim of the yacht is 
diminished, and consequently seamanship and not beef 
will be the governing qualifications in selecting the 
crew. 
Fifth. — Any yacht built to the requirements as laid 
down must be safe and seaworthy, and may be fast. It 
is my belief that such a yacht could attain a speed of 
from 57-4 to 5V2 knots in comparison with the 5 8-10 
knots of the present 20, with soosq.ft. of sail, and from 
5 to S?4 knots with 45osq.ft. of sail. This is said with 
a full knowledge of the performances of the S. C. Y. C 
21ft. knockabouts. 
Sixth. — The designer would have absolute liberty of 
choice to use either the fin, centerboard, a modified 
fin keel or some new and more perfect type than any of 
them, and would be absolutely assured that the speed of 
the yacht, would be dependent, upon the perfection of 
form* rig and handling; since the driving power would 
■be the same, the displacement would be the same and 
the other retarding elements would all be functions of the 
form, thus demonstrating the best form for wholesome 
yachts. This would be a very distinct gain to the 
science of naval architecture. 
Seventh. — Many good yachts, endeared to their own- 
ers by their sterling qualities as demonstrated bv miles 
of cruising in both fair and foul weather, would have 
an opportunity to compete with but slight alterations to 
their rig and ballast. 
Eighth. — The limit of draft to 4ft. 6in, is intended to 
place a limit to the righting moment and to make en- 
trance to small harbors possible. If it is desired to 
favor a centerboard type, this restriction might be al- 
tered so as to limit the draft of a keel yacht to 4ft. 6in., 
making the draft of a centerboard unlimited except by 
the Rendition that the center of gravity of lateral plane 
shall not be more than 21U 31114 below the surface when 
the ya-cht is erect, 
