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had been credited with having most 
of the disease. This was owing to 
the importation of Irish cattle. They 
found no difficulty whatever in get- 
ting all the information from the 
owners of cattle in the county as to 
the existence of disease. There was 
no desire for secrecy. The great 
difficulty they found in regard to the 
cattle which came into their market 
was in tracing where the disease 
came from. All the information they 
got was that the cattle were collected 
in Ireland and sent over here, but 
they could not trace where the cattle 
originally came from. He was afraid 
the difficulty was that in Ireland 
they were very interested in hiding 
the disease and not giving any in- 
formation whatever. There would 
be a fearful loss, he was afraid, not 
so much to them as to the Govern- 
ment, unless some means could be 
found of tracing the cattle in Ire- 
land. 
Sir Nigel Kingscote also sup- 
ported the resolution. He would 
only supplement the remarks of the 
last speaker by saying that there 
were delinquents not only in Ireland, 
but in England. He fully endorsed 
what Sir Jacob had stated, that to 
get hold of the unscrupulous middle- 
men was the great point. It would 
certainly tend to this object if dealers 
were licensed and registered, but he 
was afraid that, even with the co- 
operation of almost everybody in- 
terested in agriculture, until the 
concealment of disease was made 
criminal and not visited merely by 
a fine, they would not get to the 
bottom of it. The great difficulty 
was that these people did not care for 
fines, and embarked largely in deal- 
ing operations, knowing that the fine 
was of little account in their bargains. 
He hoped the Council and the mem- 
bers of the Society would give effect 
to Sir Jacob Wilson's resolution. 
Mr. Teury said that since the last 
meeting of the Council he had bee i 
speaWin;r to a man largely interested 
in London cowsheds, who stated in 
reply to a question that, although he 
knew of the existence of the disease, 
he would not give information, in 
consequence of the injury to his 
t rade. lie said that he had to send 
milk to six or eight places where the 
disease existed, in order that t 
milk-dealers might keep their con- 
tracts for the supply of milk to 
various institutions. The great diffi- 
culty was that they could not com- 
pensate a man when they took away 
his entire living. Another reason 
was that where a man had a diseased 
animal and called in a veterinary 
surgeon, the surgeon would say that 
the animal had lung disease, but he 
could not tell whether it was pleuro- 
pneumonia until the animal was 
killed. If after post-mortem ex- 
amination the animal proved not to 
be suffering from pleuro-pneumonia, 
no compensation was paid. Owners 
did not like to run the risk in this 
way of getting no compensation at 
all. 
The President said that, before 
putting the resolution, he would like 
to point out that this matter had 
been discussed at considerable length 
in the House of Lords, and Lord 
Spencer — a member of that Council — 
had done great public service in 
calling attention to the subject. He 
pointed out, as had been confirmed by 
the practical observations of Mr. 
Terry, that the most dangerous foci 
of the disease were undoubtedly the 
cattle sheds belonging to owners of 
milking cows in their large towns, 
and it was almost an impossible 
thing to expect that a man would 
voluntarily sacrifice his business in 
order to reveal the condition of his 
cows. As he had always urged, he 
thought that unless they could obtain 
by some means or other — and he 
was not very sanguine about it — the 
co-operation of the municipal au- 
thorities in the large towns, their 
efforts in the counties would be in 
vain. This must be worked, he need 
not remind them, through the 
Animals' Diseases Committees which 
existed in all the County Councils of 
the country. He would undertake, 
as a member of the County Council 
of Durham, where the demand for 
milk was enormous, and where men 
would do anyth'ng in the world 
rather than show up the fact that the 
disease existed in their cattle sheds 
to impress it. strongly upon his-Com- 
mittee, and by persuasion or oilier 
means to enlist the sympathy of the 
municipal authorities in the towns, 
