548 Kidd V. Royal AgricuUaral Society of England. 
Q. Would not you find it on the mucous of the fourth stomach ? — A. No ; 
you sometimes, if an animal is poisoned with j'ew, for instance, may trace 
poisoning by vegetable matter by observing some of the materials in the 
stomach ; but if the material is comminuted and ground up, and so on, that 
evidence is removed from you altogether. 
Q. Do you mean to say that you could not find any trace, or anything to 
guide you after death, in an animal that had been poisoned by vegetable 
poison, either by inflammation of the mucous or otherwise?—^. No, some 
poisons, vegetable poisons, produce their action directly on the nervous system, 
and never produce anytliing like inflammatory action. Take prussic acid — 
the animal dies instantly. 
Q. Yes, but prussic acid is a peculiar thing. — A. I only give it you as an 
illustration. I could give you a dozen others. 
Q. Would you not expect to find some inflammation .set up on some por- 
tion of the internal structure ? — A. If the animal died from- an irritant poison 
I shoi'ld, but if it died from a narcotic I should not. 
Q. '1 hen, on the whole, may 1 take j-our evidence to be this, which I think 
you have already given me, that, so far as you could detect anything in your 
■post mortem examination of this animal, you found nothing inconsistent iir 
difi"ering from that which you have Ibund in ordinary cases of death by tym- 
panitis ? — A. In an ordinary case of tympanitis death is produced generally 
by asphyxia, as I have attempted to explain ; I did not say that in this case 
death was so produced. 
Q. I am asking you upon ih^ post mortem examination, not upon the his- 
tory before the death, taking the condition of the animal aft< r death as you 
saw it, was there anj-thing to distinguish it from the symptoms existing .in 
cases which you yourself lectured upon in this book? — A. No. 
Q. You spoke of some appearance upon the mucous of the fourth stomach, 
" extravasated blood, but only here and there in the kidneys and heart in 
patches, in the third stomach and fourth stomach " ? — A. Quite so. 
Q. Well, but now do you attribute in any way to the Cuke the appearance 
of the fourth stomach ? — A. Not to the local action of the cake, but to the 
indirect action on the blood, and the blood then leaving the vessels in diflerent 
parts of the body. 
Q. Then would jow find a similar appearance in a case of ordinary tym- 
panitis ? — A. If the animal died from blood-poisoning produced by tymi^anitis 
— produced by tympanitis arising from any cause. 
Q. Then, in fact, that also would be consistent with the blood-poisoning 
arising from non-decarbonization set up by the pressure of the diaphragm.?— 
A. Blood-poisoning produced in any waj-. 
Q. I understood you to say that pressure not sufticient to produce death by 
suffocation is sufiicient to produce it by non-decarbonization ? — A. Quite so. 
Q. You say the liver was afi'ccted, was that recent or remote ? — A. I attri- 
buted that, to a certain extent, to the slight decomposition which was goinj 
on. We find the liver affected very speedily in animals which die. 
Q. You are not able to say whether that was recent or ramote.? — .4. I 
should say it w&s post mortem more than anything else. 
Q. More than anything else.? — A. That is to say, there was no structural 
disease in the liver. 
Q. You spoke of an abscess. — A. I spoke of an abscess in one of the lungs. 
Q. Would the blood spots in the kidneys be the result of tympanitis 
Let them be found where they would they would be all referable to the same 
cause precisely. 
Q. And you may find blood spots of the same kind arising from the same 
cause ? — A. All over the body, and they may arise from any cause. 
