none to me, and I don't propose to set up my ideas to 
measure theirs by; only I do object to a set of fellows 
measuring other's corn iu their own half-bushels. It don't 
suit them to keep hounds, therefore hounding is neces- 
sarily beastly. It isn't their "way to run wild turkeys with 
dogs and shoot them off a tree, therefore those whom- 
that does suit are ""hogs." In iew words, "orthodoxy 
IS their doxy; heterodoxy is the other fellow's doxy." ' 
W. Wade. • 
Oakmont, Pa., Nov. 28. 
A Long Island Dcct Hwnt. 
^'rom e/te Mew Vor/t Jf^orid o/ Bee; t.: 
Pink coats, winding horns, yelping* hounds, prancing 
hunters, a fine, bracing air and a stiff country, whoop arid 
away! Society had the greatest hunt of the yeiar E)ver 
Hempstead Plains yesterday. It chased a real live deer 
and drove it to bay in a; Ibarn. So last night the entire 
hunting set congratulated the Meadow Brook Hunt Club 
on the glorious day, and the young bloods who were in , at 
the kill (beg pardon, at the finish) in the barn are the 
envied of all. 
The "royal stag" was a two-year-old captured at great 
cost. He was trembling with fright while the master of 
the hounds, Ralph N. Ellis, and his grooms got him 
ready for his run for life. The pack, composed of twenty- 
five English- American hounds, was let loose. 
The little deer got his freedom in a big field, well fenced 
m. A lash of the whip and he was off, but the fences 
stayed him. Round and round the field he ran wildly, 
while the horsemen sat on their horses waiting to break 
away. Full fifteen minutes the animal tore this way . and 
that, but never once did he take a fence. So they set two 
hounds to worry him. 
Only then did tlie deer take a fence and make off 'for 
his life, the yelping pack at his heels. He started toward 
Woodbury and ran as gamely as he could for full five 
miles. It was great sport for the yelping pack and the gal- 
lant horsemen. The course led over stiff country, through 
the woods and over heavy fields thick with fences. And 
at last the hounds drove the deer to bay. Panting and. 
exhausted, he took shelter in a barn on the Jackson 
farm. The hounds stormed in j^elping for a prey that had 
eluded them so long. But the grooms and whippers-in 
saved the poor beast's life. He will be useful again for 
another run for his life, that the riders and hounds may 
have genuine sport again, such as, they had yesterday. 
It was a great hunt. No one was hurt. Only one rider 
got a fall, and that wasn't much. So the luncheon at the 
Meadow Brook Club that followed the run was enjoyed, 
and over their Scotch and soda the hunters told stories 
that kept them till it was time to dress for Thanksgiving 
dinner. ' 
"West Branch Ponds Country. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
I have just returned from a week's hunt around 
Charley Randall's Camp, at West Branch Ponds, nine- 
teen miles north of Katahdin Iron Works. ■ Maine. On 
the way into the ponds over the tote road. I met coming 
out Mr. G. B. Lehy, of Boston, and Mr. R, B. Andrews, 
of Leominster. Mass., wn'th two jumpers carrying two 
bull moose and four bucks. One of the moose had a very 
good head and probably weighed 850 pounds, tbc. other 
being smaller. These were shot on Mt. Baker. 
< I never have spent a more enjoyable week in the 
woods than I had with Eugene Robinson for guide. 
Our quarters were at Randall's Camps, and we hunted 
all around there, and up Over White Cap Mountain. The 
third day there I shot on the south side of White Cap 
two goodly bucks, one of them the best head I have seen 
from Maine this year, the antlers being, very wide and 
high, with a total of fourteen points. 
We trailed two different moose, both of them proving 
to be cows. One of them we found lying down, and so 
had a chance to observe her for two or three minutes 
before she saw us and got up. 
The hunting down along the rivers was rather poor, 
owing to a crust, but higher up along the sides of the 
mountains there Avas from 6 to 10 inches of good sUow 
and excellent tracking. R. L. Wakner. 
Wild Rice Success. 
Derby Line, Vt.. Nov. 25. — Editor Forest and Stream: 
Some time ago I noticed a couple of letters in the Forest 
AND Stream with reference to sowing wild rice,- the length 
of time it took to mature, etc.-- My experience has not 
been extensive, but such as it is- I give 'it.- In -the fall of 
1898 I bought one barrel of wild'rice from Chas. Gilchrist, 
of Port Hope, Ont. When it arrived I put-it into grain 
bags and these I sunk in an- old spring near my camp on 
.Lake Memphremagog. After leaving them there for 
twenty- four hours I emptied the riee- into my canoe and 
paddled up a sluggish stream that -runs into the lake. 
Wherever I found a small bay or iiidentation I threw out 
the rice freely where the water was from 6' inches to 4 
feet in depth. This was; in the last week of October, 1898. 
This fall the sides of the creeks and little bays have been 
one mass of wild rice. It headed out in first-cJass shape, 
and ducks were more plentiful than I have known of theit 
being for years. This, to my mind; does away with the 
idea that it takes three or four years for wild rice to' show 
itself after being sowed. This fall I bought three barrels 
more of wild .rice and am experimeriting on a m'Sre -ambi- 
tious scalej with what success rertititis" to be s^^en.' 
■ • / ' " ' ' " ' J- B? Goodhue. 
John Gomez is.' Still Livingf. 
Gordon'-'s' -Pass, Fla.. -Nov, 30,^IIoraeward bound. 
Have been" fo' Panther Key. Old. John is.'still. jsn deck-. 
Scarcely" older than when-I fir.st Jcnejv.Eira".-,. The weather 
has been unsettled; have been w^trwl -.bound half the ti.me.. 
but birds are plenty and fast. What more;" could we a.sk? 
: : : T.\RPQN. 
i DON*T SHOOT | 
W • uaUl you SEE .your deer— AflcTiee st 
^ that it ts -a deet und' not a oiia; ^ 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
Black River Association. 
Utica, N. Y., Dec. 4. — Editor Forest and Stream: The 
Black River Fish and Game Protective Association held 
its twelfth annual meeting on Saturday, Dec. 2. There 
was a good attendance, and .many subjects of mutual in- 
terest were discussed. 
'1 he annual report, of Treasurer H. A. Pride showed 
the finances of the organization to be in a -very satis- 
factory condition. 
Secretary' W. E. Wolcott presented his annual report, 
which was in part as follows : 
It seems to be the consensus of opinion among sports- 
men that the game laws in New York State are now in 
fairly good shape, arid the main thing that is lacking is a 
force of protectors sufficiently large to properly enforce 
them. 
The provisions in the game laws prohibiting the use of 
dogs and artificial lights in hunting deer are universally 
commended, and have been attendedi with excellent re- 
sults. During the summer deer were reported very nu- 
merous in the Adiroridacks, but owing to the continued 
dry weather in the - fall, which made still-hunting im- 
possible, the, number killed was considerably smaller than 
in 1898. It is Stated that a score or more of shooting 
accidents occurred in the Adirondacks during the hunt- 
ing season this year, and it seems desirable that some 
legislative action should be taken this winter with a view 
of affording better protection to people who desire to be 
in the woods in the fall. Any one who has not sufficient 
common sense and self-control to defer pulling the trigger 
until he knows positively that he is not shooting at- a 
human being should never carry a gun in the Adiron- 
dacks or anywhere else. It has been suggested that it 
would be well to enact a law which shall provide that a 
hunter who aims at, shoots and kills a human being by 
accident shall be adjudged guilty of manslaughter in the 
second degree, and that one who shoots at and wounds 
without killing shall be adjudged guilty of assault in the 
second degree. 
Before the bird shooting season opened it was thought 
there would be fairly good hunting in central New York 
this fall, but, as a rule, sportstften have not succeeded in 
finding many partridges and woodcock. The law enacted 
by the Legislature through the efforts of Senator Cogge- 
shall, making the open season for these birds in Oneida 
county from Sept. i to Nov. 15, is believed to be a wise 
one, and many hunters would be glad to have another 
month cut off from the first part of the season. 
During the past ten years our Association has annually 
obtained from the State fish hatcheries large numbers of 
infant trout, which we have carefully planted in the 
waters of Oneida.and Herkimer counties. This continued 
restocking has • borne good fruits in the main, and the 
young fish have prospered finely. There have been some 
rather discouraging reports,-- however, from certain local- 
ities W'here parties who did nothing whatever toward the 
work of stocking have'^iersistently caught out the small 
fish. . Notwithstanding this fact, it is beHeyed that the 
good results obtained are- sufficient to warrant the con- 
tinuance of the work in certain waters. Six different con- 
signments of trout have been received and distributed 
-by our Association this year. In March twenty cans of 
yearling brown trout in prime condition were planted in 
the new Forestport reservoir on Black River, and in June 
nine cans of yearling rainbow trout and fourteen cans of 
-brown trout yearlings were placed in the same waters. 
In April we obtained 20,000 brown trout fry, 400 yearling 
ibrown trout and 200 yearling brook trout, which were 
' shipped to Oriskany Falls, where they were taken in 
charge by Supervisor F. W. Wasmuth and distributed 
in the Skenandoa and Oriskany creeks. In May we ob- 
tained 50,000 brook trout fry from the Fulton Chain 
hatchery, which was apportioned to different towns as 
follows, for planting in the streams: Forestport, 9,000; 
Alder Creek, 4,000; Remsen, 12,000; Trenton, S,ooo; 
Marcy, io,ooO; Honnedaga, 10,000. This fall we obtained 
from Caledonia 500 fingerling trout to place in streams in 
the town of Floyd. 
It is reported that the -'rainbow trout will do well in 
Ihe State reservoir at Forestport, as they are fond of 
large bodies of water. James' Annin, Jr., in a letter to 
us, said that for the past two and a half years he had 
been planting rainbow trout yearlings in a number of 
places, and in every case the most favorable reports have 
been received. A year or two ago plants were made in' 
Moose River, near Old Forge, and it is said that a num- 
ber were caught there last spring which showed a very 
gratifying growth. Very satisfactory reports have also 
-been received from plants made in Stoney Lake, - Lewis 
county, and Lake Titus, Franklin county. Near Ham- 
mondsport, Steuben county, last spring, a rainbow trout 
was captured in a stream tributary to Keuka Lake, which 
weighed '15 pounds. The rainbow trout are said to be 
very gamy and to furnish as lively sport as the speckled 
trout. ' . 
In regard to the subject of forest preservation, in which 
our Association has always taken such a deep and' active 
interest, there is but little that is new to be said. Lum- 
bering operations continue in the Adirondacks on an ever- 
increasing scale, though, of course, on private holdings 
and club preserves, over which the State has no juris- 
diction. As yet the State has taken no steps toward 
acquiring title to the' forests' on the watersheds ' of the 
reservoirs, but it is hoped that a move in this direction 
will bd made before long: One great victory for protec- 
tion has recently been won in. the decision which debarred 
a railroad compariv from constructing a line through 
the heart of the wilderness from Saratoga to St. Lawrence 
county. ■ ' - . - ■- ' . 
■ .Many assurarice?; of: appreciation of the good work the 
Black River Association has 'done and is doing have been 
received ditring the nasi year, togetlier with voluntary 
promi?es of substantial assistance whenever it- is required. 
At the conclusion of 'the- Secretary-' s report, Wm- L. 
Fovvler told about his experience in capturing a rainbow 
trout Tveighirig i^^ pound-?" in 'the Adirondacks last spring. 
The fi.sh made an exceedhigly "gamy fight. 
The subject of ■deer'-ltltnting' wa^ discus-sed at some 
length by S. R, Fuller. Chas. H. O^rk, W. L. Fowler, 
471 
- . ' II I I I n ,r',m,t,<T .mmr . ii-ii -| ■ i i". i - 
Chas. E. Pierce, H. A. Pride and others, after whicli the 
following resolution, offered by John H. Williams, was 
adopted : 
Resolved, That it is the sense of this Association that 
the season for shooting deer in this State should open 
Sept. 15 and close on Nov. 25 in each year. 
H. A. Pride spoke at some length concerning the new 
Forestport reservoir on Black River, which is rive miles 
in length and half a mile wide in some places. Eight or 
more splendid trout streams empty into the reservoir, and 
he thought there ought to be good trout .fishing in the 
reservoir tiself. He said that although the reservoir wan 
built, by the State for State purposes, the water had 
frequently been drawn off so that logs could be floated 
down stream. The reservoir would be drawn down to the 
natural level of the river and then allowed to fill up 
again. The pond is full of fish, but as far as the speaker 
knew, only one trout was caught there during the season. 
There has not been a month during the past stimmer, said 
he, when you could not count a thousand dead fish there 
because of this raising and lowering of the y\?ater. The 
President and Secretary were authorized to bring the 
matter to the attention of the State League. 
Charles H. Clark, of Oriskany, offered the following 
resolution, which was adopted : 
Resolved, That we heartily indorse the statements re- 
cently made to the Governor by the Black River Guides' 
Association regarding the inadequacy of the present corps 
of protectors to properly enforce the game laws in the 
Adirondacks, as we know that there has been no apparent 
effort by said protectors to enforce them in that territory 
in which we are especially interested. 
Resolved, That we heartily approve the action of Gov- 
ernor Roosevelt in asking the State Fish, Game and' 
Forest Commissioners for a statement as to what they 
have done. 
J. W. Hicks offered the following, which was adopted : 
Resolved, That it is the sense of the Association that 
the season prohibiting hares and rabbits in Oneida coimty 
should open Oct. i and close Jan. 15 in each year. 
The following officers were elected : President. John 
W. Hicks, Oriskany; 'Vice-President. Simeon R. Fuller. 
Holland Patent; Secretary, W. E. Wolcott. Utica; Treas^ 
urer, H. A. Pride, Holland Patent; Directors, Edward 
Robertson, Trenton; George G. Chassell, H. A. Pride, S. 
R. Fuller. Holland Patent; John H. Williams. Rem-^pu : 
Wm. P. Dodge. Prospect; 'VV. E. Wolcott. Utica; Dele- 
gates to State League Convention, J. W. Hicks, W. E. 
'Wolcott. W. E. Wolcott. 
Southern Fish in Northern 
Waters. 
Through the courtesy of the U. S. Commissioner of 
Fish and Fisheries, Hon. George M. Bowers, and that ot 
Doctors Smith and Bumpus, in charge of the Biological 
Laboratory work at Wood's Holl, Mass., the writer wa-- 
enabled to make some most interesting and valuable 'ob- 
servations in the waters contiguous to the Wood's Doll 
Station, which was visited during August and September 
in behalf of the Division of Fishes, U. S. XNational 
Museum. Several days late in August and early Septem- 
ber were spent in an examination of the shallow waters 
of Katania Bay, near Edgartown, Mass., and there, in 
sight of the small inlet from old ocean, were taken ten or 
more semi-tropical species of fishes, the majority of them 
never having been recorded north of Florida. The fishes 
were all young; some of them (the chsetodonts, or angel 
fishes, the Apogon, Holocentrus, Pseudopriacanthus or 
big-eye, in its livery of bright red. and the snowy 
grouper) were beautifully colored. Two of these, the 
chsetodonts and big-eye, had "been recorded from the 
vicinity years ago. The snow}' grouper had also been 
recorded from the New England coast. Following is a 
list of those new to our Northern fauna : 
Groupers : Epinephelus morio, E. adscensionis, Gar- 
rupa nigrita, Mycteroperca venenosa apua and bonaci, and 
Triso tropis brunneus. 
King of the mullets, Apogon maculatus. 
Squirrel fish, Holocentrus ascensionis. 
Surgeon fish, Tenthis hepatus and bahianus. 
Rascacio, or poisoni' groupers, Scorpcena plumieri and 
grandicornis. 
Black pilot, Eupomacentrus leucostictus. 
The groupers were comparatively rare, from 2^4 to 3>2 
inches long; king of the midlets rare; squirrel fish rare; 
rascacio fare; black pilot rare; surgeon fish rather rare. 
.Quite a number of snowy grouper, chjetodonts and big- 
eyes were~seined. These made a brilliant showing in the 
aquarium, where they were kept alive some time. 
The presence of these Southern forms in Northern 
waters surprised us very much, especiallj'^ when we con- 
sidered how much these waters had been explored since 
the formation of the U. S. Fish Commission in i87t. 
Considerable Gulf weed (Sargassum) is drifted into this 
bay. and it therefore seems reasonable to suppose that 
these little fishes may be hatched in among this weed and 
drift with it to the far North. It is possible, too. that 
eggs are floated into the shelter of Katama Bay and th^ 
young hatched there. The Gulf Stream is one hundred 
miles off shore at this point. 
Captain Vinal N. Edwards, collector for the Fish Com- 
mission, had charge of the seining operations, and science 
owes much to him foi" his indefatigable labors, extending 
over many years. B. A. Bean. 
Washington, L». C Nov. 30. 
Three Things in His Favor. 
Manchester, O., Nov. 27.— Editor Forest and Stream: ' 
It is with pleasure that I send you a photo of Mr. 
Ed McNeil, with his latest cafch of jack salmon. These 
fish were taken frOm the Ohio River, just opposite Man- 
chester. 
Every one in our village looks upon Ed as being author- 
ity on fish and fishing' Ed has three things to recom- 
mend him: Me is a good boy, a good angler and a good 
business man. Having fought his way to the front he is 
to-day our leading grocer, doing a fine business,- bath in 
the wholesale and retail trade, 
Mr: McNeil, with a party of friends, has just returned 
from a three weeks' outing in the wilds of Arkansas. 
They report having had a fine time. C. W. C. 
