Feb. 3, igoo.] 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
99 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
Club secretaries are invited to send their scores for publication in 
these columns, also any news notes they may care to have printed. Ties 
on all events are considered as divided unless otherwise reported. Mai 
allsuch matter to Forest and Stream Publishing CompanVt 346 Broad- 
way., New York. 
Elsewhere in these columns we publish a clipping from the daily 
press on the subject of greyhounds as retrievers at live-bird 
tournaments and chib live-bird shoots. The discussion seems to 
be based on a mistaken assumption, namely, that the speed and 
jumping abilities of the greyhound would be a distinct advantage 
in capturing birds, but slightly injured. The true theory and 
practice are that the shooter should shoot with sufficient accuracy 
so that he could gather the bird himself. Anything that assumes 
to help out the shooter's inefficiency by extraneous assistance is 
on false lines. The retriever's usefulness is simply to gather 
the bird and bring it to hand. Powers of reaching 15ft. into the 
air, or running faster than a bird can fiy, are foreign to a test of 
skill with the shotgun. The dog is not supplementary to the 
shotg-un. Furthermore, the limited area of a trapshooting ground 
and the short distances run in gathering birds would hardly allow 
a greyhound to run at top speed. Again, neither the greyhound 
nor good setters^ pointers or spaniels are weight-carriers. Carrying 
even a light weight in their mouths throws them off their balance 
in running, and while they do wall for a short time, they weary 
if the work is at all prolonged. For all practical purposes, in the 
short runs required at the traps, setters, and pointers are good 
enough, are equal to the requirements, and far more tractable and 
■capable than would be the greyhound. 
The conditions of the amateur live-bird championship of the 
Carteret Gun Club, to be contested at the club's grounds. Garden 
City, L. I., Feb. 21 and 22, are as follows: 100" birds, entrance 
$100, money to be divided 40, 25, 15 and 10 per cent, and 10 per 
cent, to the club. All shooters to stand at 30yds. On each day 
each contestant will be allowed one bye-bird. In case there be 
twelve or more entries the following rules shall apply: "The shoot- 
er who misses 10 birds by the time the 50th round is finished, and 
thereby becomes tenth in place or lower, shall drop out withou 
privilege of re-entry. The shooter who misses 16 birds by the time 
the 75th round is finished, and thereby becomes eighth in place 
or lower, shall drop out without privilege of re-entry. From the 
75th round up to the finish the referee shall retire (with privilege) 
those shooters who, in his opinion, have no chance of sharing in 
the moneys. Entries will be received up to the first round the day 
of the shoot._ The referee shall continue the first day's shooting as 
long as in his estimation the light holds good, or as may be desir- 
able to facilitate completing the event. The executive com- 
mittee rescr\fes to itself the right of refusing entries. The 
Clarance H. Mackay cup, value $200, will be presented by the 
club to the winner of the championship. Shooting will begin at 
9:30 o'clock in the morning." 
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Mr. R. C. Root, secretary of the Providence Gun Club; under 
date of Jan. 29, writes us as follows: "The Washington's Birth- 
day shoot of the Providence Gun Club bids fair to Idc a polly gath- 
ering of shooters of this section of the country. A challenge for 
the State penant has been received and accepted by the Provi- 
dence Gun Club from the Canonchet Gun Club, of Narragansett 
Pier. Events Nos. 7, 8, 9 and 10 of inclosed programme will make 
up the 50 birds per man for a five-men team, which this contest 
calls for. Club house and traps are all in "Shaner order," and 
nothing but a driving snow or rain storm should prevent a good 
attendance." The programme above referred to is made up of 
alternate 10 and 15 target events, 60, and 65 cents entrance, re- 
spectively; 150 targets m all; $7.50 entrance in all. Targets in- 
cluded in entrance at 1 cent. Take Crescent Park electric cars. 
Shooting commences at 10 o'clock. Club house comfortably heated. 
Coffee and sandwiches. Sweepstake shooting optional. Money 
divided 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent. Shoot open to all. Mr. Root's 
address is 33 Weybosset street. Providence. 
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The Oskaloosa Gun Club, of Oskaloosa, la., concerning its 
forthcoming annual amateur totunament, Feb. 20-22, has sent, out 
the following circular: "Feb. 21 will be devoted to an amateur 
live-bird sweepstake, 25 birds per man, entrance ?25. AH en- 
tries will close on Feb. 10, 1900; $10 must accompany each 
entrance, and the remaining $15 paid on the day of the shoot. 
Money divided as follows: Fifteen entries or less, 50, 30 and 20 
per cent.; over fifteen entries, 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent. The 
club reserves the right to reject any application to participate 
in the sweepstakes event, and in case of a rejection^ the advance 
money will be promptly refunded. There will be at least eight 
local participants in the sweep. Feb. 20 and 22 will be devoted 
to target events, a complete programme of which will be ar- 
ranged and mailed to the gun clubs of the State within a few 
days. American Association rules to govern all shooting. Do 
not fail to get your entrance money in early for the live-bird event. 
Address all communications to Jos. Stumps, secretary." 
We ai-e informed by Mr. Edward Banks, secretary-treasurer of 
the Interstate Association, 318 Broadway, New York, that $1,000 
will be added to the target tournament of the Association, and 
that this tournament will be conducted on the same lines as are 
all other target tournaments of this Association, in so far as 
manufacturers' agents are concerned— that is to say, all paid 
experts and manufacturers' agents will be barred from com- 
peting for the purses offered in this tournament. The correct 
situation of Interstate Park is Queens, Borough of Oueens, New 
i. ork, and that will be the post office address later. ~ 
The Hudson Gun Club, of Jersey City, N. J., is working ener- 
getically to make the tournament of Feb. 22 a great event. A 
match has been arranged to take place on that day between the 
famous shooter Mr. Edward Banks and "Dudley," who is a mem- 
ber of the club, at 100 targets. The club has two sets of traps, a 
roomy club house and a good time for all who attend. AS in- 
formation can be obtained of the secretary, Mr. A. L. Hughes 
131 Newkirk street, Jersey City, N. J. 
The scores made on Wednesday of last week in a trial race, 
mider conditions similar to those governing the Greater New 
York and vicinity challenge trophy, on tlie grounds of the Brook- 
lyn Gun Club, were exceedingly low, but are no criterion of the 
jeal ability of the contestants. The targets were thrown about 
SOyds. and had all kinds of flights, high and low, and very fast. 
A heavy wind was blowing at the time, and there was all in all 
some of the hardest shooting ever presented to the shooters of 
this vicinity. 
The Oakland, Cal., Tribune, has the following: "In deciding 
that the trapshooting of pigeons is not illegal. Judge James, of 
Los Angeles, holds that every person lias an undoubted right to 
cause the death of any animal he controls. While at first glance 
this sounds harsh, reflection proves that the stand is undoubtedly 
correct, though it might have been softened by adding that death 
must be inflicted without unnecessary cruelty. It is upon this 
latter point that the whole contention hinges." 
Mr. Bert Adams, secretary-treasurer of the Limited Gun Club 
Indianapolis, Ind, writes us as follows: "The Limited Gun Club 
has secured special railroad rates from Indianapolic to Hot 
Springs, and any one attending our tournament f which is the 
week previous to the Hot Springs shoot, will receive the benefit 
of the same rate. Everything points to our having the most 
successful shoot in the history of our club;" 
The Tom Morfey trand of bird seems to be several degrees 
above proof, and is very difficult to shoot, with proper dignity 
or even with a gun. The shooter must be keenly alert, like unto 
a sprinter at the scratch waiting for the report of the starting 
pistol: then he must aim true and quickly, and then he must 
leave the rest to the bird. Sometimes they stop, sometimes they 
don't. The scores made there recently show all this. 
as 
The second match between the University Gun Club and the 
J-lorjsts' Gun Club W8,5 shot oil tlip grownds of the latter at 
Wissinoming, Pa., last Saturday. There -were five men on a team, 
and the result was as follows: Florists — Harris 17, McKaraher 21, 
Westcott 17, Burton 20. Parsons 22, Park 22; total 119. University- 
Parish 20 Du Pont 16, CarUsle 22, Freed 22, Paget 17, Swain 21; 
total 118. 
A new gun club was formed at Columbus O., recently. Officers 
were elected as follows: President, Edward Dow; Vice-President, 
F. H. Nichol; Field Secretary, F. C. Turner; Permanent Secretary, 
F. C. Gugle; Treasurer, J. C. Sherwood; Superintendent, W. C. 
Weatherell; Committee on By-Laws and Constitution, Dr. Kious, 
F. H. Nichols, William Webster, Dr. Ross and E. B. Merrill. 
Mr, J. S. Fanning, the eminent trapshooter, has returned to 
Batavia, N. Y., where he intends to stay till the Sportsmen's show 
commences at Madison Square Garden. He will then participlite 
in the tournament held tliere, and intends to take part in the Grand 
American Handicap also. It is a certainty that he will give a 
good account of himself in either. 
At Hot Springs, Ark., on Jan. 25, in the contest for the Individ- 
ual State championship and the diamond medal, between Messrs. 
C. E. De Long, the holder, and J. T. Lloyd, of Pine Bluflf, Ark., 
at 50 targets, the former won by the score of 41 to 30. The weather 
was cold, and a strong wind was blowing, making high scores 
difficult. 
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At the live-bird shoot of the Sheepshead Bay Gun Club last 
Saturday, the daily press recounts that a skirmisher recklessly shot 
at an escaping bird and wounded Herman Holmes, of Brooklyn, 
and George Hewlett, of Sheepshead Bay. Magistrate Voorhees, 
of Sheepshead Bay, held the offender in heavy bail for the offense. 
Mr. Paul E. Litzke mentions that Messrs. J. A, R. Elliott and 
Frank Parmelee have agreed to a 300-bird race in the East, after 
the Grand American Handicap, to take place at Carteret, if those 
grounds can be secured for the event. Their race at Omaha was 
very close— Elliott 87, Parmelee 86. 
On Monday and Tuesday of this week the target shooters had a 
look of grim resolution, a kind of do-or-die expression. Each 
one had resolved to adopt the theory of expansion and annex 
the Greater New York and vicinity trophy on Wednesday of this 
week. While but one can win it, no doubt there will be many 
varieties of shooting displayed. 
•I 
The Hackensack River Gun Club has challenged the Passaic 
City Gun Club to a ten-men team race, 10 live birds per man. 
John Wright, when he heard of this, remarked that he would 
shoot ten men against an equal number of men from both the 
aforementioned clubs, picking them out of the students of the 
Brooklyn Gun Club. 
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A very nice team race was that on the grounds of the Boston 
Gun Club, Jan. 24. The Boston Gun Club was the winner with 
a total of 70 out of a possible 90 — 20 singles and 5 pairs per con- 
testant. Miskay was well to the front in the scores with 24, 
being beaten only by Leroy and Gordon, 
The contest between teams of Omaha and Kansas City was one 
of rare keenness and closeness. Ten men on each side shot at 50 
birds each, a total of 500 for each team. The score was Omaha 
441, Kansas City 434. Mr. Paul R. Litzke gives all the details 
elsewhere in our trap columns. 
On Thursday of next week Mr. George Piercy, of Jersey City, 
holder of the E C cup, and Mr. J. J. Fleming, of Newark, wi'li 
contest for the championship of New Jersey and the cup at 2 
o'clock at Smith Brothers' grounds. 
Mr. Jack Parker, the expert tournament manager and repres- 
sentative of the Peters Cartridge and Kings Smokeless Powder 
Co., left for Hot Springs, Ark., after the Sconce-Cadwallader 
tournament, which he managed successfully. 
In the Sconce-Cadwallader tournament at Danville, 111., Jan. 
23, 24 and 25, Mr. Fred Gilbert won first average at targets ' while 
Mr. Sconce was second. Mr. Elmer Neal was high in th'e live- 
bird events. 
Mr. Jas. R. B, Van Cleave, chairman of tlie executive committee 
of the Illinois Gun Club, Springfield, 111., writes us that his club 
will hold a grand tournament on May 1 to 4, inclusive. 
Tom Donley, H. Levi, Charlie Cook and T. Murphy left Chi- 
cago last Saturday for Lake Villa, where they will spend a few 
days rabbit htmting with a pack of four beagles. 
*S 
Mr. A. W. Walls, secretary of the Worcester Sportsmen's Club, 
Worcester, Mass., informs us that March 6 and 7 are the dates 
fixed upon by the club for a target tournament. * 
*E 
Capt. A. W. Money, who left New York last week to attend the 
Omaha-Kansas City team race at Omaha, refereed a number of the 
man to man contests of the teams. 
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Mr. C. W. Feigenspan writes us that the South Side Gun Club, 
ot iNewark, N. J., will hold a target shoot every Saturday after- 
noon during the remainder of the year. 
Mr. E. C. Burkhardt, of Buffalo. N. Y., the famous target and 
Ine-bird shot of that city, was a visitor in New York on Thurs- 
day of last week. 
The St. Louis shooters are contemplating that their city will 
be^vell represented at the forthcoming tournament at Hot Springs, 
Schorty's live-bird shoot at Dexter Park, Brooklyn L. I Feb 
b and 7, IS exciting a good deal of interest. Keep it in mind. 
»? 
We learn that the Endeavor Gun Club, of Jersey Citv N T 
has gone out of existence. '' ' 
, Bernard Waters. 
Re Retrievers. 
The following is taken from the daily press. If treats of retriev- 
'"S-ri! ^^P^ nom some new points of view, as follows: 
the use of greyhounds to retrieve at pigeon shoots is the latest 
Idea in connection with thoroughbred dogs. The utility of the 
dree-d or this purpose is based on its speed and quick eyesight, 
and, while these qualities might make the dog a success as an aid 
to wing shots. It IS not expected that the greyhound will serve as 
a retriever to the gun m ordinary bird shooting, where the re- 
triever would have to work by scent and not sight. The grey- 
hound does not depend on his powers of scent in hunting but 
Its eye is wonderfully keen, and enables the breed to score 
against the quarry in hare or jackrabbit i oursing. The plan is 
spoken of by Eastport sportsmen. At pigeon shooting the birds 
are always in sight, and it is thought, therefore, that the grev- 
hounds might be easily trained to do the work very handily A 
P .Vredenburghs representative at the American Kenn-1 Club 
office vesterday cid not regard the plan as an impracticable one at 
all. His statement was: 
" 'I know a greyhound may be readilv trained to retrieve a ball 
.^TJ 5™,^^' 'Object, and as there is no need to search 
out the dead bird.s by scent, there would seem to be no reason whi' 
a grevhound might not be taught to do the work required T 
own deerhounds, a breed quite close to the greyhound in' its 
characteristics, and I have known one of my dogs to jump five 
or six feet into the air. and catch a pigeon on the wing. The one 
weakness of the ordinary retriever at a pigeon shoot is that it will 
nearly always miss a bird that has been wounded, but is strong 
enough to fly out of bounds. Greyhounds would nab such birds 
at all events.' 
"Setters, pointers, bull terriers and fox terriers are the most 
frequently used to clear the field of the birds at a pigeon shoot. 
Regarding the use of grej'hounds for the purpose R. Forsyth 
Little, Jr., who is to judge the breed at the next Westminster 
Kennel Club bench show, was not enthusiastic over the project. 
" 'The question is a new one on me,' said Little. 'To retrieve 
seems an incongruous use for the greyhound, but at the narrow 
limits of trapshooting perhaps the breed could learn to do the 
work. Greyhounds are quick at learning tricks, particularly if 
high jumping is required,^ yet I really think the ideal for the breed 
is to cultivate it as a racing machine for coursing meets, at which 
its sight and scent would both be brought oiit to the highest 
point of development. I fear that the greyhound would spring 
so fast at the pigeon that it would overrun, and be too clumsy 
for any good results. A smaller dog would be better, like the 
whippet, which has equal speed, or one of the regular bird dogs, 
or even the bull terrier.' 
"Dog owners will await the development of the idea with much 
interest. The Carlcret Gun Club denies the report that it is tO 
experiment with greyhounds as retrievers." 
IN NEW JERSEY. 
East Side Gan Club. 
Newark, N. J., Jan 25.— The club shoot of the East Side Gun 
Club, held at Smith Brothers' grounds, Foundry street, Newark, 
had a good attendance. There was a fog, but there was hardly 
any wind blowing. A fair lot of birds were trapped, which flew 
well, considering the circumstances. The conditions were $4 
entrance, sweep optional; handicap; 10 birds: 
II C Koegel, 29. .. .2122221121— 10 C Fischer, 28. ...... .20101210*2— f! 
Sinnock, 29 2*222022*1— 7 B Clinchard, 27. . . ."OIUOIU*— 6 
L Schortemeier, 29.2122122222— 10 Clincliard, Jr., 27. .0011100*10— 4 
Dr Hudson. 27. . . .21201='1022— 7 Dr Davis, 25 20*211*122—7 
Dr Mulvaney, 27. .2111111122— 10 Ferment, 29 1120222201—8 
Hassinger, 29 1111122112—10 Runhardt, 27 llUllOlll— 9 
Smith, 27 2111102111— 9 Rieboldt, 27 22222*202*— 7 
Pearsall, 28 2121200101— 7 
Trap at Lynoharst. 
Lyndhurst, N. J., Jan. 26.— The main event of the day was llie 
match arranged between Messrs. Bender and Jackard, 50 birds. 
.nOO a side. The former did not appear, owing to illness, and 
forfeited. 
Sweepstakes were shot. A match for $10, 10 birds between 
Messrs. Morfey and Packard, the former standing at 31yds and 
allowing his competitor 4 yards, resulted in a victory for the 
former. The scores: 
. c No. 1. No. 2. 
Morfey, 28 200022w 2*00220002— 4 
Brewer, 32 ...2022022222— 8 2222220212—9 
Dr Roof, 29.. 222*1222*2- 8 2022022102- 7 
Van Allen, 29 2122202222— 9 22220212*2— 8 
Packard, 27. 22101222*2— 8 220001222*— 6 
Sanders 26. 0*0*2012*2- 4 1110002202— R 
Shoemaker, 27 *2020222222- 8 
""acy, 27- • • • ■ • • 0212200001- 5 
Nos. 1 and 2 were $5, tw6 moneys. 
No. 3, $5, two moneys : 
Morfey 2202222222— 9 Sanders 0*21000120— 4 
Brevver 02222222*2- 8 Canon 1101102201—7 
Roof *022002*21- 5 Shoemaker 22*0222222- 8 
Van Allen ..2022002220— 6 Demarest 0020002202—4 
Packard 0*02*00002— 2 t 
No. 4, 10 birds, $10: 
Morfey, 31 22222220 Packard, 27 *0202000 
Canon,- 27 0201112122— 8 
No. 5 was miss-and-out: 
Sard P ^^^"t.^^";" 
Brewer 122 Shoemaker ■ir::::;^ 0 
Canon .0 • . . . / 
usuaf e^sca^ed!"^ ^" ^"''"^ ^""'^ '°*' ""^ Percentage than 
Hudson Gun Club. 
riuh^^rrSH^' J- 29--The members of the Hudson Gun 
Llub turned out in good numbers, the weather being fine and the 
programme interesting. In the club shoot, point hindicap there 
were nineteen contestants. Schorty was high with 23 out of 25. 
Jiight points is the maximum that can be made: 
P"'^'7' 1|' ■ • •. MlllinilllllOlOllOllllll-22 ^°"5^' 
If f ^ iiiiinimoimiiiiioiii-23 e 
Banta 16 . HUOli. JllOllllllllllll-22 7 
f/V^^i' 1011111001111110110111001-18 2 
....OlllUlOlOOlllllOOlOOlllO-16 3 
Schoverlmg 11 1111111111100011111111001-20 5 
Van Dyne, 15 1010010110011111110001101-15 1 
Pi .Long, 13. , 1111111111101011110101101-20 8 
Schields 17. 1011111101111111011101111-21 5 
it^^'e- 12.-. 0111110010110010010111010-14 3 
Doran, 10. OOOOIOOIIOIIOOOIOOOOIOOOO- 7 
^r,^}^^^K 1010111001100100111111000-14 i 
Wilde, 10. .. 0001010001000000000000001- 4 
O Brien 16 , 1001110011110111011010101—16 "i 
wi l^' iiioioi.iiiioioiuiioonio-18 5 
^'"tley. 12 0000000101111010111011111-14 3 
Hughes, 13 -.0110101100111001101010010—13 1 
Jensen, 21 UIOOIOOOIOOIIOIOIOIOIOIO-II 5 
Charles .1010101010111010101101110-15 
*Charles was a guest. 
Sweepstake events: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 
Scheubel .....n u 12 11 13 9 20 .'. 13 
|°ck 10 10 8 10 11 6 .. 
^agle >.........,.., 10 10 12 10 12 5 ;.' :.' " 
::::::::::::::::::::■:•■■% " ^ 13 7 19 .. 9 
Jfn^'^" 2 lb 8 7 "9 '2 13 *5 's 
l^e Long 9 10 9 n .. . 
Kf.' 5 4 3 8 .. .. ;: ■■ •• 
Wilde 5 3 
Shields ....i.. .'. " a ii 'o • 
O'Brien .. 10 4 ' " ^ 
O Raw , " ■" (5 "A „ ■' •• •• 
Heritage S ^ 
*Five pr'-s. ^ ' 
Heron Hill Gun CJub. 
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Miss-andout : 
WilHami''^ 2222222222-10 Kelsy 2222222220- 9 
Hu4pfe\\-;::::r''^^'^''- ^ ^^"-^ ■:\:;::.\"."::;i2l2l2222-io 
Cup shoot. 20 birds: 
Wim-, m'^^'-n^ 22222222202222222222-19 
C " Mav 30 22222222222222222222-20 
HimiDhrevs 2fi 22222222222002222222-18 
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J-lolmes, 27 , 22022222222222222220-18 
Mrs Meadowlot— AVhat kind of a thing is a ma<^a:.inp r;fl» 
way, Ebenezer? Did you ever see one" magazine rifle, any- 
Mr. Meadowlot— No; but it's some new-fant»1p^l 4.- , 
them editors to shoot poets with, I sup"p?s J^Sfo "coS" 
Hicks— How much is that big bass worth' 
caJ^r'n:""^'^'""*^-*'" ''''''' "^^^^I-- f'^n yo" could 
Hicks— I^ok here, just between vou and me call Sft 1 
and say I dj4 cstcb it-«ee?-Harper's Bazsr. ' ^^^^^ 
