Nov. 17, 1900.] 
ON LONG ISLAND. 
At laterstale Park. 
Nov. 8. — A match was shot at Interstate Park tci-day between 
Messrs. J. A. R. Elliott and J. M. Postans, of England, at 50 
Jive birds for ?50, the former winning by a score of 47 to 44. The 
match was shot in forty minutes. Ihe score: 
JAR Elliott, 30 22122211111202222211 2121fr-23 
J M Postans, 30 211222H2202111iJ201202021— 20 
2221222112222222221202221—24—44 
Other events v^ere aS follows: Twenty-five birds, .flu, 30yds.: 
R A Welch 22102122222222n2n222*w 
TAR Elliott 2222222212122122222221112—25 
T W Moriey 2Z1222122112222I222222222- 25 
Dr Wynn 212*22*002*22212201210102-17 
Col Martin 2l2212122221ii22i222112122— 25 
Miss-and-out, $5, 30yds. : 
R A VVeich 22111122122111120 
JAR Elliott ............2211112222112222120 
T W Morfey 221U22210 
Col Martin 22122T2221122121122 
Dr Wm Wynn... 1102221121w 
Lincoln vs. Lockwood, 28yds.: 
Lincoln ... ... , 210222022122212—13 
Lockwood 1022201122120*1—12 
Nov. 7. — The first of the series of Interstate handicaps, the con- 
ditions of which will be found in "Trap Eixtures," resulted as 
follows: 
S M Van Allen, 30 , 2222222222222212222222222—25 
John Hopkins, 30.... 2222222220212221222222221—24 
Kay, 2S , ilM'luXZj, OiMz.OiU2ui;zi;iZi2— 20 
Lincoln, 28. 12202222202222zz2*.;022220— 20 
Ramapo, 28 022221202*210020220021121—17 
Match, 50 birds, |50, 28yds,: 
Lincon .1222212112*12212121001222—22 
12121202*00O1022222/;21 2iJl— 18-^ 
Ramapo .0011O0121222022222£r.j220O— 17 
00122210200222020l2jGi222— 16— 33 
Ten birds, $5, high guns; 
S M Van Allen, 30.2222222222-10 
7 Hopkins, 30 2122112210— 9 
Kay, 28 .2*22122121— 9 
Lincoln, 28 2022220012— 7 
Ramapo, 28 222*022020-- 7 
Medfcus Gun dub, 
Nov. 6.— The shoot of the Medicus Gun Clab at Interstate 
Park was well attended. Among the shooters were some famous 
experts, as will be noted on reference to the scores: 
10 Birds. Miss-and-out. 
Dr Woods, 28 2222222223—10 0 
Col Martin, 30 2222221122—10 22211222222—11 
Piercy, 30 12222222*2— 9 22222221112—11 
" A R Elliott, 30 222221*220- 8 20 
M Postans, 30 ....0222111120— 8 1212221222*— 10 
m Hopkins, 28 22221121**— 8 22220 
Hawes, 28.... .,...1212021102— 8 
Lockwood, 28 2202*21212— 8 
Chapman, 26 01211*2000— 5 
Dr Webber, 30 2222222222—10 
A Doty, 28...... 0222020222-7 
Dr Miller, 30.... , 
Miss-and-out : 
Col Martin, 30 
Dr Woods, 29..... 2022*— 8 
Piercy, 20. .........02*22—3 
Dr Webber, 30....,,»,.;..r... ........20222—4 
A Doty, 30.. 22222—5 
Hawes, 27..., 11022-^ 
Elliott, 31.... 12222—5 
Postans, 30 , ..11221—5 
Martin, 30 .... 
Lockwood, 28 
Ten birds, Long Island rules, |5: 
TAR Elliott nmiUll— 10 Wm. Hopkins llllUllll— 10 
r Webber ...lUllllill— 10 A Doty. 1110111110— ' 
22222222222—11 
22222222222-11 
222* 
22211222222-11 
22222—6 
11112—5 
2222^5 
02222-4 
12022-^ 
2211*-4 
12212—5 
20211-4 
20101—3 
Dr Miller.... 1110111100—7 
Col Martin MlllUlll— 9 
Geo Piercy ...0111101110—7 
Lockwood 1010000000— 2 
Pr Woods 1000001000— 2 
C M Lincoln 1011111000—6 
Crescent Athletic Qub. 
Bay Ridge, L. I., Nov. 10. — The November cup second contest 
was a matter of keen competition at the shoot of the Crescent 
Athletic Club, held to-day. This is a handicap event. The scores 
were: 
Second November cup, 50 birds, handicap : Capt. ' Borland 47, 
Rasmus 46, Dr. Keyes 43, Hopkins 42, Graham 41, McDermott 40, 
Marshall 40, Stake 37, Kenyon 38, Dr. O'Brien 41. 
Other events were as follows: 
Sweepstakes, 10 targets: C. J. McDermott 3, J. C. Faulkner 5. 
Capt. J. N. Borland 4, C. G. Rasmus 4, W. D. Marshall 4, c! 
Kenyon, Jr., 2. 
Sweepstakes, 15 targets: McDermott 10, Kenyon 9, Faulkner 9 
Marshall 8, Dr. O'Brien 8, Capt. Borland 2. 
Sweepstakes, 15 targets: Faulkner, 7, 15; Kenyon, 4, 15; Dr. 
Keyes, 6, 15; J. O. Graham, 7, 15; L. C. Hopkins, 5, 14; Marshall, 
4, 12; Rasmus, 4, 12; Dr. O'Brien, 2, 9; T. W. Stake, 2. 8. Shoot- 
off^ miss-and-out: Dr. Keyes 1 Graham 0, Kenyon 0. Faulkner 0 
Consolation cup, 25 targets: Capt. Borland, 11, 25; Dr. O'Brien 
4, 25; Faulkner, 10, 21: Stake, 3, 21; McDermott, 3, 21; Kenyon 
6. 18; Hopkins, 7, 15; Graham, 10, 16; Dr. Keyes, scratch. 11. ' 
Carteret Gtio Qub. 
Garden City, L. I., Nov. 6.— The Election Day shoot of the 
Carteret Gun Club was distinguished by competition of a high 
order. Of the contests in which the members engaged two were 
for cups, the November cup and the Election Day cup. In the 
November cup event at 7 birds there were nine entries, ?10 
entrance, the famous bandmaster, Philip Sousa, being one of the 
competitors. This was a handicap event. Four tied on straight 
scores, and in the miss-and-out Mr. L. T. Duryea shot out his 
competitors, Messrs, H. Money, T. W. Masurv and T. E. Emerson 
in the 10th round. The scores of the November cup contest were 
as follows: 
L T Duryea, 29 2212222—7 
H Money, 30 1222222—7 
T W Masury, 29 2222222-'7 
I E Emerson, 27 
P Sousa, 28 
2222222—7 
20222w 
R A Welch, 30 222202w 
T S S Remsen, 29 20222w 
F W Duryea, 27 222200w 
J G Smith, 28 22220w 
Shoot-off : L. T. Duryea 12, Harold Money 6, J. W. Masury 6, 
I. E. Emerson 0. 
After that event the members engaged in a 7-bird sweep, and 
Messrs. L. T. Duryea, J- G. Smith. R. A. Welch, Harold Money 
and J. W. Masury tied on 7 straight. In the shoot-ofj Smith and 
Welch divided with 10 kills each. 
The Election Day cup was at 10 birds, $10 entrance, SOyds. rise; 
tics shot off at 3 birds. The scores: 
R A Welch 2222222222—10 
T W Masury 2222222'^2a-10 
L T Durvea 2222222222—10 
T S S Remsen 22221 2220w 
J G Smith 22202222W 
F W Duryea 20022222W 
H Monev .22220w 
W A H Stafford.... 20220i)0w 
1 E Emerson .... .200w 
P Sousa 0020000 
Shoot-off: R. A. Welch 8, J. W._ Masury 1, L. T. Diiryea 6. 
Ossioing Gun dub. 
Sing Sing, Nov. S.— The new grounds of the Ossining Gun 
Club were formally opened to the members on Election Day. 
Several events were shot, but a brisk wind blowing directly across 
tlie traps materially lessened the possibility of making good scores. 
The events were as follows: 
Targets : 
10 10 10 10 25 
A Rohr 1 4.. 4.. 
I T Washburn, Jr 4 7 8 9 22 
W P Hall 7 8 .. 8 22 
W Smith 3 5 4 5 .. 
C Biandford 7 20 
G Calkins ........ 3 5 
L Sherwood 5 7 5 .. 
P Valentine 2 4 6 2.. 
Dr E Sherwood.. 7 5 5 .. 17 
J Chadeay^ie 6 4.. 4 .. 
Targets: 10 10 10 10 25 
A Bedell 5 5 5 5 
Wm Carpenter.... 3 7.. 6 .. 
A Carpenter...... 6 4 1 .. 
J Carpenter,,..,,.. ... .. 0 
H C.arpenter...:... .. 2 6 3 
Wm Fisher 6 7 6 .. 
H YonoUa 4 1 .. 
C Washburn , 1 .. i. 
K McAlpin 7 .4 
A Sherwopd-.. B .. 
C. G, B., Capt 
Ha.n(iicappmgf by Distance. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
The old adage which says "It is a long lane that has no turn- 
ing" appiies most forcibly to the system so long in vogue govern- 
ing taiget shooting contests, lor now at last, alter these many 
years, we are going to have a radical change, and one, let us 
hope, that will increase the number of contestants and insure to 
those competing a fair chance by more nearly equalizing men of 
various degrees in skill, "ihe onty wonder now is wny handi- 
capping by distance has not been unanimously adopted long ago. 
True, Mr. John Parker, of Detroit, has at different times devised 
ways and means by which shooting men wure put on a nioic tu^dl 
footing, and some of his schemes were very clever, to say the 
least of them. From one so thoroughly acquainted with the 
multitude of shooters, and so well up in. the art himseit, one could 
hardly expect otherwise. 
Then we have had the known trap and angle brigade-, as against 
the known trap, unknown angle, expert squads, but it was soon 
made quite ap[)arent that these same experts invariably smashed 
more targets Irom unknown angles than did the lambs at known 
ones; so that, too, fell ott, ana soon oecame ousoicie. 
It has remained then for the Interstate Association to bring 
forth what is destined to become the recognized handicap, ana 
one that must prove such, be the skill of the contestants never so 
great, for it stands to reason that distance, though lending 
enchantment to the view, certainly magnifies and accumulates, by 
virtue of its length, the number of goose eggs per centum in any 
man's score. 
The Interstate Association has given most evident and ocular 
proof of its prestige in America in such unmistakable terms — vide 
the Grand American Handicap at pigeons — that no one needs doubt 
as to the outcome of this time-honored system of di.stance in 
shooting affairs, albeit new when relating to .shooting at targets. 
The idea of men whose shooting skill ranges from 75 to 95 per 
cent, competing on an even keel is sublimely absurd; so ridiculous, 
indeed, that one is astounded at its having survived even one 
season's trial; yet it has been going on for more than twenty 
years, and men who in other games and sports have always 
recognized thf subject of "class" seem to have always ignored this 
most important factor in toto when target shooting, for they have 
put up dollar for dollar, and stood yard for yardj shooting at an 
equal number of targets with others who were always and easily 
their superiors, anywhere from 10 to SO per cent. 
Strange, but nevertheless true, moreover, when we calmly con- 
sider that the only sop graciously tendered the aforesaid lamb 
has invariably been the threadbare and well-worn rejoinder that 
these 95 per cent, men were once 75 per cent, calves themselves! 
The individual and team scores follow: 
Princeton Team— H. Laughlin 39, J. fapear 39. Jl. I' . Elbert -iT. 
McWilliams 21, T. O. Withee 33, R. McMillan 31; total 2U0. 
Pennsylvania Team— W, R. Baldwin 39, S. F. Weaver 3d, J* 
Loudon 32, B. Parrish 32, F. M. Law 28, A. R. Adamson 22; 
total 188. 
Illinois Gun Club. 
Springfield, HI. — Herewith are the scores of the Illinois Gun 
Club's live-bird challenge trophy event, snot in tlus <:uj .sja. ■). 
Burnside won the cup on a straight score of 25. Craig, Hall and 
England, each of whom scored 24, gave the winner a jiard ijaitic 
for possession of the trophy, but Mr. Burnside was in hne lorm 
and could not be headed. Our tournament on the 13lh and 1-lth 
promises a good entry list: 
G Burnside, 30.,, 22222222222222?'"- 22222222— 25 
VV T Craig, 30 II212II112I lUzT.-iim.ll— 21 
Tramp Irwin, 30 12122J 10222u2221li./22ai:o-.ii— 20 
J C England, 30 121i20222222221i2li21i:i iH— 21 
G T Hall, 30.... 22J2z2ii222i:32222.j22*2i2z-^-2i 
C S Magill, 29 i::lil--'-2tOi21i2:il22*2220— 20 
A H Bogardus. Jr, 29 .li<J*ll*1120l210illl010121-49 
G Solomon, 28 2J21'il*2zlUti22^uz2ul22i— 20 
F R Richardson, 28 22(l21U11222j222111Ullill— 22 
R Solomon, 30 liAUllll;ii2olUi)20i01i;il— 21 
F Workman, 28 22v011i!o2i;21i2oC01222m2— 19 
Cha.^. T. Sticklb,' B-cy 
Keystone Shooting League. 
Philadelphia. — The clear, cold weather Saturday afternoon, 
Nov. 10, was conducive to bringing nearly three dozen trapshooten- 
together on the grounds of the Keystone Shooting League, ii\ 
Hoimesburg Junction, Pa., and those who did not take part, but 
were on hand to witness the sport, voted it one of the best after 
noon's sport seen on these grounds lor many a day. 
The birds were a high-class lot. The stiff wind which blew 
across the field helped them in their flights materially, the men 
were in fine form, and the scores were high. 
Vandegrift was the winner of the challenge cup, but only, aftei- 
a hard race, as Henry, Hobbs and Davis also killed straight at 
10 birds. In the shoot-off Davis missed his second and Hobbs 
his sixth. Henry and Vandegrift had a hot race, and Henry 
lost his eleventh bird dead out of bounds, while Vandegrift killed. 
The scores 
AT PETERS CARTRIDGE CO.'S TOURNAMENT, MONTGOMERY, ALA. 
So learn to shoot and go thou and do likewise" has been ding- 
donged m the ears of the childlike novice, until now he hardly 
dares venture a remonstrance, so sure is he of being sat upon — 
sat upon hard— and rather than flinch, he grins and bears it for 
a time, and then in disgust and despair quits and tries some 
other game where he stands a better chance for his white alley. 
And this Spartan-like advice of "go thou and do likewise" has 
driven into oblivion thousands upon thousands of men willing to 
learn and anxious to excel, so lar as relates to target shooting. 
But, oh, my lads, think how long they have stood the gaff! There 
has been but one redeeming feature to the whole affair, and that 
is the invvard satisfaction of the lucky chap who has mastered the 
art in being able to slam back to the 75 per centers the "learn 
to shoot," etc., and with pardonable pride and exultation to 
pat himself on the back and say, solto voce, "1 used to be a 
sucker myself"— or meself, according to where the man learned 
to speak his mother tongue. 
Well, we start now on a new era. A man's skill will place him 
on his own pedestal, be it at 16, 18, 20 or 22yds.; beyond this, very 
few will go, at least not for some time to come, lor there are 
so many good shots now in open competition that the 22yd. 
limit is apt to be the jumping-off place until we shall have men 
who, at that distance, are still too formidable. 
At any rate, the novice will feel that he is being protected, for 
if distance is the proper way to handicap men when pigeon shoot- 
ing, it stands to reason it must be jeven more so when target 
shooting, as all targets are flyers, and none come in, whereas 
many pigeons are incomers, and on these one is better ofit at 30 
than at 26yds. — obviously so, in fact. 
But now let us be fair to the better shots, for after alJ fair play 
is the only element that can keep any game alive; so do not let 
us be too magnanim9us in overdosing the good shots by being 
too liberal in giving them a greater distance than they merit. 
Don t jump a man to 22yds. because he has made a few good 
scores. Let the good ones gradually climb the ladder, rung by 
rung, but don't break their hearts by making them stretch too 
many rungs at a stride. Let them win at least as often as the 
poorer shots, for that is nothing more than they deserve, while 
such management will keep all on their mettle, and there is the 
.secret and gist of the whole game. 
Of one thing we may be certain: This distance handicap is 
going to develop greater speed and accuracy in shooting than has 
heretofore been attained. It will bring forth a body of men who 
will be masters of the art and will assurediv out the long-distance 
men of America in the foremost rank the word over. 
Two things will necessarily imperatively follow— greater speed 
in the men, and, if that be possible, greater range and efficiency 
m the guns and loads. It seems hard to realize how the good 
guns of to-day can be improved, and yet that is precisely what we 
thought ten years ago. True, our loads are also' better, but even 
with our present loads our old style guns cannot perform with 
the regularity and steadiness of modern ones. So it is quite 
probable that when the limit of speed in the man shai' >•!>••<» h«>,^n 
attained it will then resolve itself into a trial of guns and loads, as 
to their reaching and smashing qualities, all of which will surely 
serve to forge American skill, both as to the men and their 
accouterments, still further to the front, placing them both, beyond 
question, the bast in the world. Gaucho 
Challenge cup shoot, shot for semi-monthly; 10 birds, 30yds. risei 
Davis 2!i^iiiZ212— 10 
Darby 2022..22210— 8 
Vandegrift 1112122111—10 
O K S Z2lt0lzl 
Smith .22120202**— 6 
Van Loon ....1221*11222—9 
McCoy .Ii22*22122*— 8 
Fitzgerald ......... 2021122212— 9 
Henry 1111121111—10 
Hobbs 1222222222—10 
Brewer .....2222001122— 8 
Loser .....12001*1100—5 
Shoot-off for ties. 3 birds up: 
Vandegrift .111 221 211 211—12 
Henry ....221 222 112 1* — 10 
Eighteen shooters entered in the club handirap, and six fn- 
ished with straight scores. Brewer killed 9 and took more than twice 
as much money as the straights. Davis iiuled 8 and a.so oeai 
out the first_ men in the money. The scores: 
Club handicap, 10 live birds, handicap rise, open sweepstake. 
$2,50 entrance : 
Hobbs 
Davis , 
...222 210 
...10 
F McCoy, 30 222222222^-10 
C Fitzgerald, 30....122000 
H Henry, 30. ..... .2221112211— 10 
F Hobbs, 30....... 2220220022— 7 
T Brewer, 30 1122122220— 9 
W Stevenson, 30, . .2222222222— 10 
D Sanford, 30 2111100212— 8 
W J Davis, 28 1012210211— 8 
Dr Darby, 29, . . . . .22222* O??— 7 
J Vandegrift, 30. . ,2221311111— 10 
O K Stevens, 28. . .1111212220— 9 
C Geiklcr. 29 .2222222222—10 
F Van Loon. 29. . .2112*12211— 9 
H Thurman, 29. .. .1010221220— 7 
A Wynn, 28 1201112002— 7 
J Whittaker, 28.. . .112U12001(J— 6 
G Gregory, 28 112: Oi;02-)0— 4 
.Anthony, 30 2122222122—10 
IN NEW JERSEY. 
Forester Gun Club, 
Newark, N. J., Nov. 10.— There was but a small crowd present, 
owing to the attraction at our next door neighbor's. We will 
have an open house, all-day shoot on Thanksgiving Dav, com- 
mencing at 9 o'clock A. M. We will shoot for prize-s, handicap 
conditions. I have just fixed our grounds, so vve can shoot live 
birds. We will make a start on Thanksgiving morning. Lunch 
and shells can be had on the grounds. 
The scores in the regular monthly events, all at 10 targets, follow i 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 
Skinner 8 
Holley , 2 
D Fleming 4 
T J Fleming 9 
Meyer , , . , , . 
10 4 
6 9 
9 9 
7 
E C Cop. 
J. J. Fleming, Sec'y. 
10 
2 
Princeton vs. U, of P. 
"The first of the series of intercollegiate team shoots between 
Princeton and the Universit-y of Pennsylvania was held on the 
grounds of the Clearview Gun Club at Darby, Pa., Saturday 
morning, Nov. 10. A strong wind blew hard across the field the 
bluerocks were high, fast and eccentric, and it was hard for the 
shooters to get the wind and gauge, so none of the men shot Sn 
their usual form. 
The match was the first half of a team match that is fo be shot 
for a silver cup. The return match will take place at Princeton 
at a date to be agreed upon. The terms of the shoot are six 
men to a team, 50 tareets per man. Ifivd'. pse. at nnknoivn s"f7Vs 
The shooting was close all through, but Princeton's (enm finaliv 
beat the Penn team by 12 poia^. (he scores b«iag 209 tor Priasd- 
tvft and 188 for Penjj- 
Newark, N. J., Nov. 10.— The contest for the target champion- 
2} New Jersey, of which the E C cup is the emblem, between 
Mr. F. E. Smnock, the ho.der, and Mr. George H. Piercy the 
challenger, resulted in a victory for the latter. The race 'took 
place on the grounds of the South Side Gun Club, The condi- 
tions were 50 targets, unknown angles. The contestants tied on 
43, and in the shoot-off at 10 targets, Piercy won by 9 to 8. The 
scores : 
F E Sinnock 11111011111111110111101101110011111 111101111111111—43 
G H Piercy...... llllllOllOlOOllllOimilllllllllllllllOllOllllllll— 13 
Tie, at 10 targets: 
Sinnock 0111111110—8 Piercy 1111011111—9 
Sweepstakes and merchandise events were shot as follows. No 
6 shows the handicaps of merchandise events 5. No. 8 of No 7 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 
Feigenspan, 2 24 23 23 22 25 1 10 0 10 0 8 
Piercy. 2... 23 20 21 .. 
Whitehead. 4 30 10 .. 15 25 2 10 1 10 1 9 
Weller 9. 7 13 14 16 25 4 10 2 7 . 
Sinnock, 8.,., ,^ 2M7 iv .. > .. .. 
Gardner. 6 18 17 19 " " " " " 
Terrill. 5 10 21 n ' " " " " " 
3 .. 22 25 '3 16 '6 k V. V. 
Wilson, 8 21 23 
Henxish, „ 1525 5 'I '9 " " ■ 
