WARD R. RICHTER 
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departments staff the hospital in addition to 
performing their academic duties. 
The three senior staff members are involved 
in the direction of the Carlson Animal Facility 
and in the direction of the laboratories. They 
all have tenured academic appointments in the 
Departments of Radiology-Pharmacology, Ra- 
diology and Pathology respectively. Other sen- 
ior staff members of the Carlson Facility have 
appointments as research associates in several 
of the departments. An effort was made to have 
different departments represented, giving the 
several departments a selfish interest in the 
success of the animal facility and its programs. 
More important, it develops a commitment to 
the departments by the facility staff and it leads 
to a better appreciation for the other investi- 
gators' problems and to real communication 
with the whole medical school. It has insured 
the academic excellence of the staff because 
appointments must meet the criteria of the 
academic departments on their own terms. In- 
terdepartmental cooperation on projects is en- 
couraged and common at the university so there 
is a strong tradition for members of various 
departments to work together as this group 
does in the animal research facility. Thus, we 
have had no administrative or traditional bar- 
riers to break down with the various depart- 
ments staffing the facility. 
DISCUSSION 
E. I. Goldsmith, Cornell University, New 
York : Rather than a question. Dr. McPherson, 
I think it might be appropriate to make a com- 
ment at this time because I don't think the 
previous speakers, who have provided informa- 
tion relative to their diagnostic services, em- 
phasized the primate and what is available 
there. 
There are a number of you who are aware 
of what is offered, but I am sure a number of 
you in the audience might not be aware that 
there is a diagnostic laboratory for simian virus 
diseases that is funded and the question of 
charges always comes up. There aren't any 
charges here. Animal Resources of NIH pro- 
vides the funding, with a little bit of support 
from WHO. It's sometimes stressed the other 
way around, but I wanted to get that point. It's 
primarily NIH supported. Support is available 
for those who have primate colonies who wish 
to obtain information on diseases that occur in 
their colonies. There are a number of diseases 
that do occur, and, at times, there are questions 
as to how or where such a service for diagnostic 
capabilities can be obtained. I do wish to 
indicate at this time that such a service can be 
provided at the Southwest Foundation for Re- 
search and Education. 
Chairman: I have a question for you. Dr. 
Dolowy mentioned there was a problem of in- 
vestigators wishing to have work done that was 
related to their experimental procedures rather 
than just spontaneous disease. How do you 
handle that problem? 
Dr. Richter : We've had that problem occur, 
I think, just as often as anyone else. Usually the 
way we approach it, is that we look at the first 
animal or two, just to reassure ourselves that 
there is no spontaneous disease problem in- 
volved. This also helps to convince the investi- 
gator that we just haven't turned our back on 
him and refused to help him. In the process of 
doing this, we usually can convince him, through 
discussion of the case, that this is really part 
of the experimental procedure and not part of 
the diagnostic problem. So we handle it very 
much on an individual type of basis, depending 
on the investigator and what the problem is. 
Chairman : Do you perform routine services 
for him? You know, if he needs to have some 
pathology workup done as part of his protocol, 
will you perform that for him strictly on a 
service basis? 
Dr. Richter: As a general rule we haven't. 
There hasn't been too big a demand for this 
because most of the people, most of our investi- 
gators, already have these facilities. 
J. L. Wagner, University of North Carolina, 
Chapel Hill: If these facilities did not exist, 
would you then perform them for an investi- 
gator ? 
Dr. Richter: There are some facilities in 
the University that on a fee basis will perform 
them. What we have been afraid of, because 
we've had so many requests for this kind of 
thing, is that we would be overwhelmed with 
