Aug. 8, 1903.] 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
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dust to the thickness of ahnost an inch is' then strewn 
on the cement floor. 
Five cages are proA'ided for the transferring, the 
sixtli change being to the death chamber. As the dogs 
are only killed each alternate day, those which ha^e 
been caught on two days are thus brought together 
and placed in the same No. 5 cage, twelve by twelve 
feet. 
[The proper remedy would be to build larger quar- 
ters, equipped with modern appliances and methods of 
sanitation. That can be accomplished only by local ef- 
fort and local capital. Mere expressions of horror or 
sympathy on one hand, with an unloading of the re- 
sponsibilities on the other fellow on the other hand, 
is not the correct procedure.] 
Bloodhound vs. Mastiff. 
Your correspondent, Von W., objects to the identifi- 
cation of the bloodhound with the old talbot hound, 
saying that he has always understood the talbot to be 
the old English mastiff. 
I sincerely hope he will give the facts which cause 
him to disagree with myself, and also all of the best 
authorities on the subject. The truth of this matter, 
as well as with all other matters which are the subjects 
of discussion, should be the object sought, and I wish 
to assure Von W. at the outset that I am always open 
to conviction, and will cheerfully admit that a hound 
is a mastiff, or a mastiff is a hound, whichever way he 
wants it, if he will cite the facts necessary to prove this 
paradox. 
However, as the case now stands I think the facts 
are somewhaat against his understanding of the matter. 
I would call his attention to the following quotations 
from an article entitled "The Bloodhound," which he 
can find in Century Magazine for June, 1889. 
The author of the article is Edwin B rough, who is a 
recognized authority on the subject. He says: "All 
the best authorities agree that the St. Hubert, talbot 
and bloodhound are all A'er}'- closely allied. The breed 
(bloodhound) originated from the talbot. It is only in 
very old writings that we find talbots, or white blood- 
hounds, mentioned. The talbot was the popular hound 
from the twelfth to the sixteenth century, but became 
extinct about the end of the last century." Now the 
English mastiff is not extinct; therefore the talbot 
which became extinct could not have been the mastiff 
which is not extinct. Attention is especially called to 
the following quotation: "Each keeper in the New 
Forest was required to keep a couple of bloodhounds 
on his walk. They called them talbots, and one keeper 
named Primer used to boast that he had had the breed 
in his family for more than three hundred years." 
Then Mr. Brough says that Thomas Nevil procured 
• one or two couples of these hounds from Primer. That 
they were described as being very much like our pres- 
ent bloodhounds, and that they were called St. Hu- 
berts. We must infer from this that the St. Hubert, 
talbot, and bloodhound were so nearly identical that 
these names were applied to these hounds indiscrimin- 
ately. 
I can nowhere find any evidence to show that these 
hounds were noted for a propensity "to grip and hold 
on." On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence to 
show that they had no such propensity. The dogs of 
Nevil would hunt stags, which were kept in a paddock 
for that purpose, and then Avould amicably trot home 
side by side with the stag which was used in the hunt. 
Then tl>cre was a tame jackal which these hounds 
hunted occasionally, with which they lived on the most 
friendly terms between hunts. Here we have a prom- 
inent trait of the bloodhound of the present daj*^ accur- 
ately portrayed. I could quote other authorities at 
great length to show that the bloodhound is descended 
from the old talbot hound, but at this juncture I think 
it is unnecessary. Perhaps I may have reason to 
change my mind when Von W. presents his side of the 
case. 
Possibly the name talbot was given to a few mastiffs 
which were owned by a family of that name, but I fail 
to see why this should be accepted as evidence thjft the 
talbot hound never existed, or that the bloodhound is 
not descended from the talbot hound. 
As well might one believe that the ruffed grouse is 
the only partridge or pheasant that ever existed, sim- 
ply because it is called partridge and pheasant i]i cer- 
tain localities. Jos. W. Shurter. 
Gansevoort, July 80. 
Longf Story of a Long Chase. 
Brennam, Texas, July 25.— A Story of a long deer 
chase, which may prove interesting to your readers, was 
told here by Dr. S. Bowers, a prominent physician, whose 
veracity is unquestioned, a day or two ago, and illustrates 
the endurance of the breed of deer hounds we have in this 
section. 
Dr. Bowers is not a hunter, but is exceedingly fond of 
lingering along the banks of a stream where trout haunt 
the deep pools at the big bends ; and it was on one of 
these excursions down on Mill Creek when they were 
biting a few weeks ago, that he heard a single hound 
yelping as if it Avas after a rabbit coming down the 
swamp not far from the creek. 
Instinctively he turned his head to catch a glimpse of 
the game, which he knew must be far in advance of the 
dog, and saw three deer going with the speed of the wind 
down the swamp. He listened to the music for a mile or 
more and it passed out of hearing. 
Three weeks later he made another excursion to Mill 
Creek, and was sitting at the same trout hole, and had 
made a fairly good catch, and Avas just thinking of mov- 
ing, when he heard a single yelp away off down the 
swamp, and recognized the voice of the same dog, which 
had a peculiar sonorous bass Aroice, though he Avas seem- 
ingly on]y giving tongue about every 150 yards. Presently 
he saw the same three deer loping slowly by, close 
enough for him to recognize them as the same deer, and 
pretty soon here came the dog, going at the rate of about 
four miles an hour, with its tongue hanging out as if it 
was almost tired out. 
Dr. Bowers recognized the deer and dog as being the 
same that he had seen go down the swamp three weeks 
previously, and Avhile he says that some might question 
bis A'eracity if he was to say that the dog had followed 
them all that time, the circumstances all indicated that it 
liad. He knew it was the same deer and the same dog; 
he saw them go down the SAvamp along the same route, 
and he saw them come back, and every indication was 
that the dog had followed them all that time. How is that 
for staying qualities in a hound pup? 
George Tucker. 
Honor iot Foxhownds. 
Or^\tor, a famous foxhound, owned by R. D. Perry, 
of Phillipston, died recently of old age. Orator Avas 
well known to nearly every Worcester fox hunter and 
members of the Worcester Fur Company and the 
Brunswick Fur Club. He was Mr. Perry's favorite 
hound and was the hero of many a great run at the 
winter meets of the Brunswick Fur Company, where 
his merits won a reputation that extended beyond 
Massachusetts. He, with Clinker, his kennel mate, and 
winner of the BrunsAvick trials in i8gi, lies buried on 
the slopes of Broad Mountain, Phillipston, in the midst 
of the hunting ground that so often echoed to their 
cry. They rest at the foot of a great bowlder on which 
are chiseled their names and the inscription, "My fa- 
A^orite foxhounds." — Worcester Post. 
adians have proA^en themselves clean sportsmen from 
start to finish, and all the men who have gone to Mon- 
treal in search of the cup say that it is a great satis- 
faction (as long as they have got to be licked), to be 
beaten by such representative yachtsmen. 
The White Bear Y. C. have challenged for the cup, 
and it will no doubt be accepted, for the Royal St. 
Lawrence men have a warm spot in their hearts for 
the men from White Bear. 
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Yachtmg: Fxxtttfes iot J903. 
Members of race committee will confer a favor by sending notice 
of errors or omissions in the following list, and also changes which, 
may be made in the future. 
America's Cop Races, Aug. 20 and alternate days. 
AUGUST, 
5. Chicago, race to Milwaukee. 
5- S. Corinthian Marblehead midsummer series. 
6- 8. Indian Harbor, Y. R. A. of L. I. Sound, specials and annual. 
7- 8. Pass-Christian, Southern Gulf Coast Y. A., Pass-Christian, 
Miss. 
7-8. Milwaukee, open. 
7-8. Lake Michigan, Y. R. A., meet at Milwaukee for all classes. 
8. Seawanhaka Corinthian, club, Oyster Bay. 
8 Corinthian, fourth chnmpionship, Marblehead. 
8. Moriches, novice race. 
8. Beverly, fourth Corinthian, Monument Beach. 
8. Royal Canadian, Canada cup race. . ,• " 
Shelter Island, Y. R. A. of L. I. Sound, annual. " 
Chicago, cruise, rendezvous at Charlevoix. T 
, Boston, club, Marblehead. ' '' 
Manchester, Crowhurst cup, open, W. Manchester. 
16. Hempstead Bay, cruise. 
Manchester, Y. R. A., open, W. Manchester. 
Misery Island, Y. R. A., open, Salem Bay. 
15. Atlantic, race week, Sea Gate. 
East Gloucester, Y. R. A., open, Gloucester. 
15. Annisquam, Y. R. A., open, Annisquam. 
15. Southern, Southern Gulf Coast Y. A., New Orleans, La, 
Beverly, fifth Corinthian, Monument Beach. 
Penataquit Corinthian, special, Bay Shore. 
South Boston, club. City Point. 
Horseshoe Harbor, Y. R. A. of L. I. Sound, annual. 
Moriches, special. : *' 
Huntington, Y. R. A. of L. I. Sound, annual. 
Seawanhaka Corinthian, club, Oyster Bay. 
, Eastern; Marblehead to Gloucester. 
Corinthian, fourth championship, Marblehead. 
. Royal Canadian, club, Toronto. ' 
. Chicago, special, Lake Michigan. 
. Savil Hill, club, Dorchester Bay. 
Hartford, Y. R. A. of L. I. Sound, special. 
. Williamsburg, ladies' day. 
American, Y. R. A., open, Newburyport. 
New York, autumn cups. Glen Cove. 
Moriches, ladies' regatta. 
■22. Duxbury, Y. R. A., open, Duxbury. 
. First America's cup race; balance of races to be sailed on 
alternate days, Sundays excepted, until result is determined. 
. South Boston, club. City Point. 
Southern, Rawlins, Tranchina and Oliviri cups, New Orleans. 
Corinthian, fifth championship, Marblehead. 
. Royal Canadian, club, Toronto. 
. Chicago, special. Lake Michigan. 
■25. Wellfleet, Y. R. A., open, Wellfleet. 
, Moriches, McAleenan cup race. 
■29. Columbia, Lipton competitive cup races, Chicago, Lake 
Michigan. 
■29. Cape Cod, Y. R. A., open, Provincetown. 
. Seawanhaka Corinthian, club. Oyster Bay. 
, South Boston, club. City Point. 
, Chicago, special. Lake Michigan. 
Beverly, sixth Corinthian, Monument Beach. 
. Royal Canadian, club, Toronto. 
Corinthian, sixth championship, Marblehead. 
Savin Hill, club, Dorchester Bay. 
Huguenot, Y. R. A. of L. I. Sound, annual. 
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The trials between the tAvo Shamrocks have been 
going on with great regularity for the past Aveek. The 
challenger continues to show her superiority over 
Sh amrock I. On Thursday last the two boats were 
given severe test over a twenty-mile course. The 
Avind Avas strong from the southwest and both boats, 
with jib headers set, had all they could swing to. There 
was quite a jump of a sea on, and both boats Avere tak- 
ing green water aboard up to the mast. The first leg of 
the course was a reach, the second a run, and the third 
a beat. On the first leg Shamrock III. drew away from 
Shamrock I., but on the second leg Shamrock I. picked 
up all she had lost. On the windward Avork the chal- 
lenger outclassed the older boat and was leaving her 
fast when Shamrock I.'s mainsail split. Topsails and 
staysails were taken in on both boats and they ran back 
to the Lightship. On Saturday both the Shamrocks 
made Aisits to Erie Basin and the challenger had her 
big steel mast re-stepped. This was done in order to 
balance the new and larger mainsail that the boat is 
now carrying. The practice spins began again on 
M onda^- of this week and will continue until the final 
races take place. 
The result of the races at Montreal between the 
Royal St. Lawrence Y. C. and the Manchester Y. C. 
was not a surprise to anyone, although it Avas generally 
thought that the Massachusetts boat would make a bet- 
ter showing. The races for the Seawanhaka Cup have 
developed into a perfect farce, and they only serve to 
shoAv each year hoAv far in advance the Canadians are 
in the designing of this type of boat over the Amer- 
icans, and Englishmen. Mr. Duggan and his associates 
have gotten the designing and handling of these boats 
doAA'H to a science and are in a class by themselves. 
The cup could not remain in better hands, for the Can- 
Manhasset Bay Y. C 
POET WA.SH1NGT0N, LONG ISLAND SOUND, 
Saturday, August i. 
The fourth annual regatta of the Manhasset Bay Y. C. 
Avas sailed on Saturday, .A.ugust i. There were thirty- 
nnie starters, and all but .seven of the boats finished. 
The course was W. N. W. from a line off Execution 
i'lght, 3.)^ miles to Red Springs Point, N, by W. 3H 
miles to Parsonage Point, and S. W. 3^ miles to the 
finish, a total distance of io}i miles. The wind at the 
.start was S. E., making the first leg a beat, and the second 
a .spinnaker run. A shift of wind made the last leg a beat 
back to the finish line. The boats in the two larger 
classes were to have covered the course twice, but owing 
to the lightness of the breeze their times were taken at 
the end of the first round. 
Mr. Ed ward, Mr. MacLellan and the other members of 
the Regatta Committee Avere on board Commodore A. H. 
Alker's steam yacht Florence. 
Anoatok and Leda were the first boats to start, and 
the former boat had no trouble getting away with Leda, 
and gave her a decided beating. Anoatok won the cup 
offered by Commodore Alker for the yacht in the 30ft. 
class or about it making the best corrected time over the 
course. 
In the 30ft. class Vivian II. distinguished herself by 
beatmg Alert, which boat successfully defended the 
Manhasset Bay challenge cup. 
The second boat to finish was the racabout Jolly Tar. 
This boat sailed a surprisingly good race, but only de- 
feated Hobo by a comparatively small margin. 
Ho uri Avon in the Larchmont one-design class, beating 
Adelaide badly; Dorothy did not finish. 
Firefly took the honors in the 25 ft. class, and Snapper 
was second. 
In the 2ift. class Montauk finished first, but Trouble 
gets the race on corrected time. 
Plover Avas the only boat to finish in the Manhasset 
sloop class. 
Arizona finished alone in the Manhasset Bay one- 
design class; Falcon, her competitor, having Avithdrawn. 
^In the New Rochelle one-design class. Deuce beat 
KnaA^e and Ace. 
Skidoo was the only boat to finish in her class. Gosling 
Avon in the Hempstead Bay one-design class. 
The results of the race are anything but conclusive in 
many instances, for it was little more than a drifting 
match. The summary : 
Sloops— 36ft. Class— Course 10% Miles— Start, 12:45. 
V . 1 ^ T, , Finish. Elapsed. 
Anoatok, W. G. Brokaw 5 47 52 5 02 52 
Leda, S. H. Mason 6 05 32 5 20 32 
Sloops— 30ft. Class— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 12:50 
Alert, J W. Alker 6 16 29 5 26 29 
\ ivian II., E. D. Vernon 6 09 40 5 19 40 
Raceabouts— Course 10% Miles— Start, 12:55 
Mavis, G. L. Pirie 6 18 05 5 23 05 
Maryola, C. VV. Allen 6 01 51 5 06 51 
Jolly lar, b. Howland 5 57 29 5 02 29 
Rascal, S. C. Hopkins 6 05 11 5 10 11 
Sis, I. T. Bedford, Jr 6 17 05 5 22 05 
Grasshopper, H. C. Pryer 6 31 09 5 36 09 
Hobo, T. L. Park 5 58 07 5 03 07 . 
Larchmont One Design 21-footers— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 1-00 
Adelaide, J. J. Dwyer 7 17 11 6 17 11 
Houri, J. H. Esser 6 57 24 5 57 24 
Dorothy, L. G. Spence Did not finish. 
.Sloops— 25ft. Class— Course 10% Miles— Start, 1:05. 
Chingachgook, E. A. Stevens 6 49 24 5 44 24 
Firefly, G. B. Granbery 6 31 00 5 26 00 
Snapper, F. Page 6 .38 53 5 .33 53 
Lucille, A. E. Black.... 7 10 09 6 05 09 
SI00P.S— 21ft. Class— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 1:05. 
Jeebi, A. D. R. Brown 7 39 22 6 34 22 
Gazabo, H. P. Vulte 7 37 25 g 32 25 
Trouble, W. li. Chikls 7 16 59 6 11 59 
Montauk, G. R. Sheldon 7 12 19 6 07 19 
Manhasset Sloop Class— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 1:05. 
Pagan. R. \V. Jackson...,. Did not finish. 
Peg, A. Roester, Jr Did not finish. 
Plover, H. Place 7 23 50 6 IS 50 
Manhasset Bay One-Design Class— Course 10% Miles— Start 1:10 
Arizona, G. A. Corry ; 7 46 16 6 36 16 
talcon, Cole & Stevens Did not finish. 
New Rochelle One-Design Class— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 1:10. 
Knave, Wm. .Bavier 7 31 07 6 21 07 
Deuce, N. D. Lawton 7 22 40 6 12 40 
Ace, A. Bavier 7 28 07 6 IS 07 
Pelham Bay Larks— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 1:20. 
\ellow Jacket, G. B. Robinson, Jr ..Did not finish. 
Flirt, D. Carll Did not finish. 
Skidoo, M. S. G. Davies 7 51 33 6 31 33 
Gloria, G. B. Mott Did not finish. 
Hempstead Bay One-Design Class— Course, 10% Miles— Start, 1:20. 
Why Not, W. Burdock : 7 46 56 6 26 56 
Gosling, T. Pratt 7 37 07 6 17 07 
Wif Waf, H. E. .Sayre 7 41 Z5 6 21 35 
Scud, G. B. Abbott...; 7 44 13 6 24 13 
Flicker, C. Handy 7 46 20 6 26 20 
1lie Avinners Avere : Anoatok, Vivian 11., Jolly Tar, 
Houri, Firefly, Trouble, PloA^er, Arizona, Deuce, Skidoo 
and Gosling. 
Indian Harbor Y. C. 
INDIAN HARBOR, LONG ISLAND SOUND. 
Saturday, July 25. 
The Indian Harbor Y. C. held a handicap race on 
Saturday, July 25. In the club handicap "class, Sirene 
beat Maryola, and Stingy won in the sailabout class. The 
summary : 
Club Handicap. 
c- p r. J, <- Start. Finish. 
fairene, Doremus it Outwater 3 05 00 5 27 48 
Beruna, H. S Osborne , 3 08 00 5 38 32 
Eos, E. P. Mead 3 15 00 5 40 15 
Robert Plood, C. E. Gartland 3 25 00 5 31 10 
Maryola, C. W. Allen 3 28 00 5 30 13 
Sailabouts. 
Betty, Hyde 3 30 00 5 06 05 
Stmgy, E. Zittell. ........ 3 30 00 6 05 08 
Queeny, Commodore Tilford 3 30 QO 5 09 37 
Cero, R. Mallory, Jr 3 30 00 5 11 5§ 
