Oct. 3, t903.1 
FOREST AND StRfiAM. 
^67 
Owned by F. M. 
EFFORT. 
Smith. Designed and built by the HerreshofF Mfg. Co., J901. 
Plioto by N. L. Stebbins, Boston! 
most yachts of the ballasted type, but small craft of the 
sail boat type will require a much larger co-efficient, espe- ■ 
cially if they are sailed with live ballast. A case in point 
is the work of Thorella and Kolutoo in the recent Sea- 
wanhaka cup races. A full reach of a mile and a third 
was covered by Thorella in 8m. 17s., and by Kolutoo in 
7m. 59s: This latter speed is plump ten knots, but both 
these records were beaten on the next leg, also a full 
reach of i 1-3 miles, the times being Thorella 6m. 34s. and 
Kolutoo 7m. IS. Thorella therefore covered a leg at the 
remarkable speed of 12.2 knots. The times were official 
and carefully taken, and the course was accurately logged 
— on several occasions — the marks being set permanently. 
The second and third rounds showed perfonnances almost 
as good, but- after Kolutoo withdrew Thorella was 
naturally not pushed. It is really astonishing that two 
small boats that might be carried on the deck of Reliance 
or Shamrock have actually come within a fraction of the 
highest recorded speed of Reliance herself. 
Even the most unimaginative man will naturally ingiiire 
what might be expected of a 90ft. Thorella. This is a 
fascinating theme for the speculative writer, Thorella's . 
measured waterline is 25ft. 4in., but when heeled she has 
an increased sailing length; call it 30ft., as the boat is 
only some 37ft. over all. The square root of 30 is say 
5.5, so that s coefficient of 2.2 would be required to ac- 
count for a speed of 12.2 knots. Applying this to a sail- 
ing length of looft. we have a suggestion (I do not like 
to use a stronger term) of 22 knots! To accomplish this 
it would be necessary to reproduce all the conditions on 
the larger scale, and this would include a crew for live 
ballast. The exact number required could be settled by 
experiment; but assuming that it would be in proportion 
to the third powers of the respective lengths, we have the 
following: 
100^ 
X4 (Thorella's crew)=i48 
30' 
Such a boat would easily pick up all the active members 
of a yacht club, but this would be an advantage, and the 
sailing would be grand. There would be no special 
danger; the rig would be small, say five or six thousand 
square feet. One of the remarkable things about 
Thorella's reaching record is that it was made under 
500 square feet of sail. 
All sorts of reasons may be urged against the introduc- 
tion of live ballast boats into the 90ft. class, but they 
would scarcely be more pronounced racing machines than 
Reliance and Shamrock. They would cost less to build, 
■and incidentally afford some active sport for the Corin- 
thian element. " A boat with a working crew of fifty men 
an4 a hundred club rnembers on the weather rail would 
really be a representative club boat. 
W. Q. Phillips. 
Clinton, Ont., Sept. Qi. 
the late Mr. Alfred Payne, who founded the business 
carried on so many years at Belvidere, and which in 
its extension has absorbed the yard in which Dan 
Hatcher built so many of his famous flyers. Mr. 
Payne was apprenticed to his father, and gained in 
the several shops a practical experience Avliich was of 
the greatest value to him in the subsequent exercise of 
his profession as a naval architect. Very early in his 
working career he evinced talent which demonstrated 
his abilities as a designer, and he felt his way to suc- 
cess by turning out many small boats which gained 
him fame in the local regattas; and when the Solent 
Classes were formed he received many commissions, 
and the successes which attended some of his creations 
brought him more than local fame as a designer. H€ 
was responsible for the designs of 17s yachts of various 
classes and sizes, iLe largest being Sir Henry_ S. King's 
fine yawl Glory, 205 tons. Nan, Humming Bird, Lolly- 
pop, Mliss, Maharanee, Decima and some others, were 
among his earliest successes. His latest was the Duet, 
24ft. Solent rater, built early in 1902, for Mrs. Schen- 
ley and Miss Cox, as the successor of the Speedwell, 
which was built for Miss Cox in 1896 and held top 
rank in her class for five successive seasons, and was 
then only put out of it by the new rule. Other great 
successes were the Babe and Garreth 2^/2 raters. Mr. 
Payne was architect of thrr.e Royal Cup winners — Cor- 
sair, 40-tonner, which, under Admiral Montagu's flag, 
won the Queen's Cup at the R. Y. S. regatta at Cowes 
in 1892, by time, against the German Emperor's Meteor 
I.; Caprice, 20-tonner, which gained the Royal trophy 
for Sir Henry S. King on the Thames in 1899, and 
was a very successful racing boat; and Leander, the 
Hon. Rupert Guinness's 98-ton yawl, which won the' 
first cup given to the Royal Yacht Squadron by King 
Edward after his accession. His largest racing ven- 
ture was the Tutty, 65-footer, built in 1898; and other 
vessels which brought him fame were the Penitent, 52- 
footer; Gloria, 20-tonner (now in Toronto), which 
brought the Coupe de France from the Mediterranean; 
and Laurea, which successfully defended that trophy 
in the two following seasons, under the flag of the 
Royal Temple Y. C. ; Balcena, Gauntlet, and Camellia, 
52-footers; the fine, bold cruiser Betty, built for Mr. 
John Gretton, M. P.; L'Esperance, yawl, built for the 
Earl of Dunraven, and afterwards owned by Prince 
Henry of Prussia; Vendetta, 40-rater, built for Ad- ■ 
miral Montagu; Emerald and Girleen, 36-footers; May- 
fly, 2^-rater; Palmosa, a handsome cruiser, turned 
out last year; and many others which illustrated his 
genius. Among the numerous other vessels he de- 
signed may be named: Artemis, 91-ton yawl; Bertha, 
91-ton yawl; The Earl of Dunraven's two Cariads; 
Heartsease, yafwl; Javelin, ketch; L'AlIegra, Endrick, 
Flavia and Polynia, 36-footers; Hyacinth, Isola, Sea- 
bird and Siesta, yawls; Chimera and Eleanor, s.ys.; 
Lady Nan. Vanda, Nan, Nepenthe, Papoose, the two 
Ban'bas, Bandicoots 1. and 11.; Wayward, Valeria, Chi- 
quita. Chough, Guenora and Alwida. Mr._ Payne was 
only forty-five years of age. He was twice married, 
and leaves a widow, a son (who is following the same 
profession), and three daughters. The funeral took 
place on Saturday afternoon in Southampton Ceme- 
tery, the remains being followed to the grave by de- 
ceased's son, his two brothers, Messrs. J. and S. Payne, 
his partner, Mr. W. Summers, and about sixty em- 
ployees of the firm of which he was a director. Mr. 
J. G. Fay, several yacht captains and others identified 
with yachting joined in the cortege and assembled at 
the graveside. 
At the annual meeting of the Keystone Y. C, of 
Woodmere, L. I.,- the following officers were elected: 
Com., John J. Wood; Vice-Com., Frank K. Walsh; 
Sec, Charles S. Wright; Treas., William H. E. Jay; 
Governors, John J. Wells, John J. Wood, Charles S. 
Wright and William H. E. Jay; Treas., Dr. E. C. 
Smith. : 
Death of Mt. Arthur E. Payne, M. I. N, A. 
Front The Ytichtsntan. 
Yachtsmen everywhere will learii "with regret of the 
death of Mr. Arthur E. Payne, the well-known yacht 
designer, of Southampton, which occurred at his resi- 
dence, Hope Villa, Portswood, early on Wednesday 
morning, Sept. 9, after a prolonged illness, which, dur- 
ing its later stages, brought him much suffering. Mr. 
Payne, who has always been a delicate man, was about 
two years ago warned by his medical attendant, Dr. 
Keele, that he was alYected with heart disease, and 
since that time he has taken a mere passive interest in 
the everyday life around him., and has done little active 
work in the profession to which hitherto he had been 
go greatly devoted. He was one of several sons of 
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ELECTRA. 
Owned by George H. Frazier. Designed and built by the Herreshoff Mfg. Co., 18W« 
Pboto by N. L. Stebbins, Bostoq, 
