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FOREST AND STREAM, 
[May 28, 1904. 
!cn|:ed club, but any provisions of these would plainly conflict 
with the deed, if they operated to impose any other limit, con- 
dition or penalty upon the type, model, sail area or other factor 
going to the qualification of the challenger." 
This will make it plain to you that what you refer to in your 
question as "original rules" in respect to measurement, by which 
I understand you to mean the rules under which the matches with 
the three Shamrocks have been sailed, were rules which applied 
to these contests, not because they happened to be at the time 
the measurement rules of the New York Yacht Club, but because 
the mutual agreement between the two clubs provided, in each 
instance, that the match should be sailed under these particular 
rules. 
The normal match provided for by the deed of gift is one to be 
sailed without time allowance, and therefore without regard to any 
rule cr system of measurement, for the only purpose of the meas- 
urement is to determine the amount of time allowance. 
Any other match must be the product of an agreement between 
the two clubs, and therefore a rule of measurement for purposes 
of time allowance can become a factor in the match only , by 
virtue of such special agreement. 
The question you raise is doubtless an important one, but you 
will see that it really amounts to asking the club what agreement 
it would be willing to make if it should happen that some club 
qualified to challenge should desire to enter into an agreement 
upon the subject. This would seem to be a matter which can 
properly come before the club for discussion only in connection 
with a challenge from some club qualified to challenge for the 
Cup, for it is with such a club only that an agreement upon the 
subject can be made. 
The New York Yacht Club does not feel that it can be asked 
to take a position upon such a question when no challenge is 
pending, or, so far as it is informed, even contemplated. Any 
view which might be expressed by the club under such circum- 
stances would seem to be academic and of little avail, and it pre- 
fers to wait until the subject shall be raised in some manner 
properly calling for its disposition before expressing any views 
upon it. 
It may be proper for me to add that the present rule of measure- 
ment has only been very recently adopted by our club, and that 
vessels have not yet been built under it, so that it cannot be re- 
garded as having passed the experimental stage. Whether so 
untried a rule should be made applicable to an international match 
I think you will agree should not be decided without careful con- 
sideration by both the clubs concerned in settling the details of 
the match. I am very respectfully yours, 
(Signed) G. A. Cormack, Sec'y- 
Sir Thomas J. Lipton, City Road, London E. C, England. 
City Road, London E. C, March 24, 1904. 
G- A. Cormack, Esq., Secretary New York Yacht Club, 37 West 
44th St., New York.: 
Dear Mr. Cormack— I have received your letter of the 14th inst., 
for which I am obliged, and the contents I have very carefully 
noted. I am leaving to-morrow for abroad, and will be away for 
some little time; but on my return will give the matter under 
consideration my attention. Yours faithfully, 
(Signed) Thomas J. Lipton. 
YACHTING NEWS NOTES. 
For advertising relating to this department see pages ii and iii. 
Ramona and Normona Change Hands. — Mr. Stephen 
Peabody, N. Y. Y. C, has sold his schooner yacht 
Ramona to Mr. W. N. Wilbur, of Philadelphia, Pa., 
through the agency of Stanley M. Seaman. Ramona— ex- 
Resolute — is a well known craft, having been built by 
David Carll, of City Island, New York. She measures 
133ft. over all, iioft. waterline, 25.7ft. breadth, and 12ft. 
draft. Mr. Seaman has also sold the auxiliary ketch 
Normona to Mr. Paul G. Thebaud, N. Y. Y. C, by the 
Selwyn M. Taylor estate, Pittsburg, Pa. She was de- 
.^igned by R. M. Munroe and built 1903 by A. C. Brown 
& Sons, Tottenville, N. Y, She is 83ft. over all, 71ft. 
waterline, 22.2ft. breadth, and 3.10ft. draft. 
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Challenge for Cape May Cup. — The regatta commit- 
tee of the Royal Yacht Squadron received on May 22 a 
formal challenge from Commodore Morton F. Plant, of 
the Larchmont Y. C, for the Cape May cup, with his 
schooner yacht Ingomar. 
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I^owER Boat for H. H. Rogers, Jr.— The Electric 
Launch Company, of Bayonne, is building a speed 
launch for Mr. H. H. Rogers, Jr. She is 31ft. long, 4ft. 
,8in. breadth, and gin. draft. The boat complete will weigh 
1,100 pounds, and will be carried on the davits of tht 
steam yacht Kanawha. With a 35 horse-power engine a 
«peed of 20 miles is exoected. The boat is very lightly 
built, and is double planked. 
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Calypso Reaches New Orleans.— Calypso, the Hanley 
Y. R. A., of Massachusetts, 2Sft. cabin sloop, arrived at 
New Orleans, her new home, on the Morgan Lme 
steamer El Alba, on May 19. She was sailed from Bos- 
ton to New York by Capt. Cromwell, the passage being 
rather a long one owing to fog and head winds. 
Chewink III., another of the 2S-footers of the same 
class as Calypso, will be shipped to New Orleans by rail, 
leaving Boston about May 25. Chewink III. is 49ft. in 
length, and Calvpso 42^ft. long. Southern yachtsmen are 
finding a considerable drawback to purchasing large craft 
m the North, owing to the difficulty in getting transporta- 
tion. The steamships do not care to handle craft over 
4Sft. long, as the space at disposal is athwart ship, and 
this is limited to the width of the ship, the largest of the 
vessels not having a beam much in excess of 45ft. On 
the other hand, the railroad cars are limited to a width 
of about gft., and boats of the Chewink III. length have 
a beam of 12ft. and over. It is presumed that m coming 
by train that the latter will have to be cradled and carried 
on her side. Several deals for large northern yachts are 
hanging fire until it is seen how Chewink fares on her 
long journey by car. ^ ^ ^ , 
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Royal Canadian Fixtures.— The regatta committee of 
the Royal Canadian Y. C. has arranged for the following 
regattas:- ,,,,,, t 1 ' 
Tuesday, May 24— Second class, i6ft. ballasted class, 
i6ft. skiff class, 12ft. and 14ft. dinghy class. _ 
Saturday, June 4— Cruising race ; fleet in two divisions, 
first division 3Sft. and over ; second, all under 3Sft. 
Saturday, June 11— Fleet maneuvers, 16ft. skitt class, 
12ft. and 14ft. dinghy class. . 
■ Saturday, June 18 — First class cruising race, Murray 
'^"s'aturday, June 25— Second class, McGaw cup, i6ft. bal- 
lasted class. 
Fridav, July I— Queen s cup. _ « . 
Saturday July 2— Handicap cruising race, entire fleet. 
Saturday^ July 9— i6ft. skiff class, 12ft. and 14ft. dinghy 
Saturday, July 16, 23— L. Y. R- A. . . 
Saturday, July 30, and Monday, August i— Cruising 
race, fleet in two divisions. Beaver cup to winner in 
second division, i6ft. skiff class, 12ft. and 14ft. dinghy 
class. 
Saturday, August 6 — Second class, i6ft. ballasted class, 
Saturday, August 13 — First class cruising race, Lome 
cup. 
Saturday, August 20 — i6ft. skiff class, 12ft. and 14ft. 
dinghy class. 
Saturday, August 27 — First class, 15-mile triangle. 
Saturday, September 3, 5 — Handicap cruising race, en- 
tire fleet. 
Saturday, September 10 — ^Prince of Wales cup race, all 
classes. 
Saturday, September 17 — i6ft. skiff race, 12ft. and 14ft. 
dinghy class. 
Saturday, September 24 — Handicap cruising race, entire 
fleet. 
Additional races for i6ft. skiff class will be held on the 
first and third Wednesday of each month, from June i to 
September 7, inclusive, starting at 5.15 P. M.. There 
will be a limit of one hour for these races. Also races 
for 14ft. and 12ft. dinghies every Wednesday afternoon 
over the short course. 
, The club cups and challenge flag will be awarded to the 
yachts making the best average during the season as 
follows : 
R. C. Y. C. challenge flag to the first class ; Lansdowne 
cup to the second class; Cosgrave cup to the i6ft. bal- 
lasted class ; Gooderham cup to the i6ft. skiff class ; Har- 
man cup to the 14ft. dinghy class ; Barber cup to the 12ft. 
dinghy class. A championship flag will also be awarded 
to yachts making the best average during the season. 
— — 
CANOEING NEWS NOTES. 
• Atlantic Division Camp, Hermit Point, opposite 
Riverdale-on-Hudson, May 28-30, 1904. Regatta pro- 
gramme : 
I. One-man, single-blade paddling, 14 mile straight- 
away. 
2; One-man, double-blade paddling, J-^ mile straight- 
away. 
3. Tandem, single blade paddling, 14 mile straight- 
away. 
4. Tandem, double-blade paddling, ^ 'mile straight- 
away. 
5. Fours, single-blade paddling, mile straightaway. 
6. Novice sailing, cruising rig, ii^-mile triangle. 
7. Unlimited sailing— open to any canoe— 3-mile 
triangle. . 
8. Open canoe sailing, 40ft. limit, 3-mile triangle. 
9. Nomad class, 65ft. limit, 3-mile triangle. 
10. Atlantic Division Elliott sailing trophy, i6ft. by 30in. 
class and handicap, ^y^-mile. triangle. 
11. Tilting tournament. 
12. Hurry-scurry. 
A. C. A. regulations will govern all races, supplemented 
bv necessary restrictions by regatta committee. Prizes 
will be awarded in all races, and second prizes where 
more than two contestants finish. While the camp is 
open to all canoeists, subject to the regulations of the 
camp-site committee, and specified camp dues, the races 
will be open only to members of the American2 Canoe 
Association, in good standing, or to applicants for mem- 
bership therein who have filed their applications, with 
requisite fees with the purser of the division prior to the 
calling of the first race. Extra events may be called, if 
warranted in the judgment of the regatta committee. 
J K. Hand, Chairman; 
Wilbur D. Andrews, 
Truxton T. T. Craven, _ 
Regatta Committee. 
Starter, Charles Eastmond; Referee, H. Lansing Quick; 
Judges— to be announced at camp; Clerk of Course— to 
be announced at camp. 
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Fixtures, 
June 12-20.— Union Hill Schuetzen Park, N. J.— National Schuet- 
zenbund Festival. . • • 
June 26.— Zeltner's Morrisania Park.— German- American bliootmg 
Society's shoot. 
New York City Corps, 
At the last practice shoot of the City Corps, held at Union 
Hill Park, May 18, the following scores were made, 200yds., off- 
hand: 
Ring target, 10 shots, possible 250, 200yds.: R. Busse 213, Aug. 
Kronsberg 207, J. Facklamm 207, R. Bendler 205, C. G. Zettler 202, 
W. Grapentin 198, H. C. Radloff 196, O. Schwanemann' 194, ' Ch. 
Wagner 193, R. Schwanemann 192, J. Keller 158, H. R. Caplan 156. 
Man target, 3 shots, possible 60: J. Facklamm 59, R. Bendler 56, 
Aug. Kronsberg 55, R. Busse 54, H. C. Radloff 54, Ch. Wagner 53. 
Point target, most points: R. Busse 11, Aug. Kronsberg 11, 
J Facklamm 10, C. G. Zettler 9, R Schwanemann 5, W. Grapentin 
7, R Bendler 7, O. Schwanemann 7, Ch. Wagner 7, A. Wiltz 5, 
G. Schroeder 4, J. Keller 3, H. C. Radloff 2, H. R. Coplan 1. 
BuUseye target, most flags: Aug. Kronsberg 12, J. Facklamm 
8, R. Busse 6, R. Schwanemann 4, O. Schwanemann 3, Ch. 
Wagner 2, C. G. Zettler 2, R. Bendler 2, J. Keller 1, A. Wiltz 1. 
Miller Ri.Ie and Pistol Club, 
HoBOKEN, N. J. — The members of the Miller Rifle and Pistol 
Club, having in mind the near approach of the national festival 
next month, are busy each week trying to get into the best pos- 
sible condition for the coming contest. 
On May 10 Owen Smith led the group with a total of 249. On 
May 17 R. Dingman was high with 245. 
The scores of May 17 follow, 10 shots, 25-ring target, distance 
75ft. : R. Dingman 245, R. A. Goldthwaite 242, F. A. Williams 243, 
H. Bahn 241, Owen Smith 240, C. E. Doyle 239, C. Bischoff 242, 
R. W. Evans 239, T. Gabriel 239, H. Emmsr 338, T. Fitzlaii 237, 
¥. Uubehauen 237, G. J. Badgley 216. _ , . . _ 
At Union Hill Park,""™ 
Over fifty local riflemen were in the shooting house of the 
Union Hill range May 2. Fourteen targets were in use. A num- 
ber of the Zettler Club members were present. Dorrler, Tewes 
and Schlicht had a 50-shot match. The winner was undecided up 
to the last two shots. Dorrler's grit and experience helped him 
out at the end, and he won by a margin of three points over 
Tewes. Schlicht v/as only five points behind Dorrler. Begerow 
and Fenwirth had a 20-shot match, in which Begerow won by a 
large majority. Tewes and Dorrler had a 10-shot match, in which 
Tewes buried the veteran. The scores are as follows: M. Dorrler 
1122, Wm. A. Tewes 1119, Geo. Schlicht 1117. 
Tewes vs. Dorrler, 10 shots: W. A. Tewes 230, M. Dorrler 208. 
Begerow vs. Fenwirth, 20 shots: Aug. Begerow 436, 'H. Fenwirth 
386. - , 
Lady Zettler Rifle Club. 
The scores in total, made by the members of the Lady Zettler 
Rifle Club, in their winter practice during the season 1904-05, are 
as follows: Miss Millie Zimmermann 2945, Miss Kate Zimraer- 
mann 2922, Miss Anna Koch 2895, Miss Florence Muller 2892, 
Mrs. Hy. Fenwirth 2886, Mrs. W. H. Turbett 2825, Mrs. Ily. 
Scheu 2796, Miss Tina Eusner 2720, Mrs. F. Watson 2568, Miss 
M. Laut 2276, Mrs. Geo. J. Bernius 1849, Miss Nellie Hart 1S48, 
Mrs. B. Zettler 1726, Mrs. C. Knaus 511, Mrs. Aug. Kronsberg 
450. 
Sharpshooters' Society. 
Dayion, O. — The May cup contest was held at the Sharpshoot- 
ers' Society's Oakwood range on May 19. John Boehner won with 
a score of 114. ■ Conditions,, muzzle rest, 5 shots, 125 possible: 
John Boehner 114, J. F. Beaver 112, Chas. W. Sander 111, G. R. 
Decker 111, M. J. Schwind 110, H. K. Schwind 107, John Rappold 
104, A. Schwind 103, Gus Hodap 97. 
In the free-for-all, 3 shots, 75 possible, A. Schwind won with 
69. M. J. Schwind 68, H. K. Schwind 68. Bonasa. 
Our Own Rifle Club. 
HoBOKEN, N. J. — Fifteen members of the Our Own Club at- 
tended the weekly practice shoot. May IS. The scores made Vverc 
not up to the general average. 
Ten-shot scores, 25 ring target, distance 75ft. : J. D. Spinck 240, 
J. H. Kruse 237, F. Biehler 233, W. F. Dilger 231, H. W. von 
Plolten 229, W. Welz 228, Capt. J. Ortlieb 230, W. Harmsen 2 '5, 
P. Kraemer 222, G. Cordes 220, Ch. Heyer 218, W. Brandt 218, 
W. J. Bruder 217, A. Temmler 215, M. Driesen 212. 
Rifle Notes. 
On the' Union Hill range, the Harlem Independent Corps will 
hold practice shoots, one on May 26, and the New York Corps 
will hold one on Friday, May 27. 
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If you want your shoot to be aanouaced tiere send a 
notice like the following: 
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Fixtttfes. 
♦May 25-26.— Brownsville, Pa., Rod and Gun Club. 
May 25-26.— Shamokin, Pa., Gun Club Spring shoot. S. C. Yocum, 
Sec'y. . ■ 
May 27.— Brenham, Tex. — Contest for Houston Chronicle chal- 
lenge cup between Otto Sens, holder, and Dave Curren, chal- 
lenger. 
May 28-30. — Butte, Mont. — Montana State Sportsmen's Associatiun 
eleventh annual tournament at targets; $500 added. C. 11. 
Smith, Sec'y. 
May 30.— Utica, N. Y.— Riverside Gun Club all-day target tourna 
ment; free merchandise prizes. E. J. Loughlin, Sec'y. 
May 30.— Newport, R. I.— Aquxdneck Gun Club's third annual 
tournament. J. S. Coggeshall, Secretary, Box 9, Newport, H 1 
May 30.— Albany, N. Y.— West End Gun Club tournament. II 11. 
Valentine, Sec'y 
May 30.— Detroit, Mich.— Winchester Gun Club fourth annual. 
Decoration Day tournament. T. M. Brodie, Sec'y. 
May 30-31.— Norristowa, Pa.— Penn Gun Club holiday shoot. 
B Psrkcr Sec'y 
May 30.— McKeesport, Pa.— Spring tournament of the Enterprise 
Gun Club. Geo. W. Mains, Sec'y. 
May 30.— Ossining, N. Y., Gun Club Decoration Day target shoot 
C. G. Blandford, Capt. 
May 31.— Dayton, O — Rohrer Island Gun Club spring target tmir 
nament. W. E. Kette, Sec'y. 
June 1-3.— Watertown, S. D.— South Dakota State Sportsmen's 
Association tournament. F. J. Cory, Sec'y. 
♦June 7-8.— Ligonier, Pa., Rod and Gun Club. 
June 7-9.— Sioux City, la.— Soo Gun Club's tenth annual amateui 
tournament; added money. W. F. Duncan, Sec'y. 
June 8-10.— Huntington, W. Va.— West Virginia State Shoot. F. 
H. Merrick, Sec'y. 
June 9.— Westchester, Pa., Gun Club target shoot F. H. Eachus, 
Sec'y. 
June 9-10.— Peru, Ind., Gun Club eighth annual tournament. Wm. 
Daniels, Sec'y. 
June 13. — Middleton, Wis., Gun Club tournament. Frank L. 
Pierstorff, Mgr. 
June 14-15.— Wilkes Barre, Pa.— Hanover Park Shooting Associa- 
tion target tournament. E. L. Klipple, Sec'y. 
June 14-16. — Akron, O. — Ohio Trapshooters' League target tourna- 
ment. G. E. Wagoner, Sec'y. 
June 14-16. — New Londoii, la., Gun Club midsummer tournament 
Dr. C. E. Cook, Sec'y. 
June 14-17.— Warm Springs, Ga. — Target and live-bird tournament 
Chas. L. Davis, Mgr. 
June 15-16.— Battle Creek, Mich. — Tournament of the Michigan 
State Trapshooters' League. L. K. Forscythe, Sec'y. 
♦June 15-16.— Millvale, Pa., Rod and Gun Club. 
June 15-17. — Lincoln, 111. — Illinois State Sportsmen's Association 
tournament. James Davis, Sec'y. 
June 21-24. — Indianapolis, Ind. — The Interstate Association's fifth 
Grand American Handicap at targets. One thousand dollars 
added to the purses. Elmer E. Shaner, Secretary-Manager, 
219 Coltart Square, Pittsburg. Pa. 
June 25. — East Walpole, Mass. — Second annual tournament of the 
Neponset Gun Club; $60 in prizes. M. H. Grant, Sec'y. 
June SfT-July 2. — French Lick Springs, Ind. — loumament of the 
National Gun Club; strictly amateur; $500 added money. John 
M- Lilly. Pres., Indianapolis. 
July 4.— Frunswick, Me., Gun Club all-day target tournament. G. 
M. Wheeler, Sec'y. 
July 4. — Richmond, Va. — East End Gun Club annual merchan- 
dise shoot. J. A. Anderson, Sec'y. 
July 4-6. — Winona, Minn.— The Interstate Association's tournament, 
under the auspices of the Winona Sportsmen's Club. Oswald. 
Leich). Sec'y. 
July 6-7. — Homer, 111; — Homer and Ogden Gun Clubs' tournament. 
♦July 6-7. — Kane, Pa., Rod and Gun Club. 
July 8-9. — Wausau, .VVis.— Wisconsin League of Gun -Clubs' State 
tournament. H. G. McCrossen, Sec'y. 
July 12-14. — St. Paul, Minn., Rod and Gun Club amateur handi- 
cap tournament. J. L. D. Morrison, Sec'y-Mgr. 
♦July 13-14.— Scottdale, Pa., Rod and Gun Club. 
July 19-20. — Shamokin, Pa., Gun Club midsummer shoot. S. C. 
Yocum, Sec'y. 
July 19-22.— Cincinnati. O.. Gun Club annua] handicap. 
July 20-21.— Armada, Mich.— Tournament of the Eastern Michigan 
Qm Clyb; |100 ^(ide<J. E. W. Sutton, Sec'y, 
