as 
Fixtures. 
Jan. 16-20, — Pittsburg, Pa. — First annual tournament of the 
Iroquois Rifle Club. 
The Palma Trophy. 
Last -week the following interesting communication appeared 
in our esteemed contemporary, Shooting and Fishing, under the 
heading, "English View Marking of Rifles in Relation to the 
Palma Trophy Controversy": 
"I hoped the Palma controversy was dead, but Colonel Bruce's 
letter shows it is not. I ask for a little space in which to clear 
up one or two points. 
"The fundamental difference is this. The American contention 
is: 'It was the duty of the British to protest. They did not do 
it; therefore we kept the rules.' The British view is this: 'It 
is the duty of every competitor to keep the rules, and not to 
await protest.' 
"The British viewer's mark has nothing to do with proof at all. 
It is put on by a government official as a guarantee that the 
rifle is in all respects of bona fide government pattern. It does 
include rifling, which is about the most important part of the 
construction. I inclose an actual view certificate of a rifle I re- 
cently finished and sold: 
No. 14100 
Army Inspection Department, 
27 June 1904. 
This is to Certify that the Rifle magazine L. M. Mk. II. 
Barrel and Breech Action submitted by The Birmingham Small 
Arms Company, Ltd., has been viewed and found to be correct, 
and in conformity with the Government pattern so far as regards 
length, weight, bore, rifling, form of chamber and fitting of 
breech action; that it takes the Government ammunition, and 
may be used in any match restricted to Government Military 
Rifles or Carbines of this pattern, lhe barrel is numbered A036. 
W. McD. Allardice. 
for Inspector of Small Arms. 
"Now, every rifle in the British Palma team bore this viewer's 
mark. I sold Lieutenant Miller his rifle, and it was in every 
single detail of actual government pattern. It had on the sight 
a narrow bar to allow of shooting at 500yds. with the leaf up. 
These are no advantage at 800yds., and they are supplied to 
soldiers out of army stores at four pence each by the government. 
They are allowed in army competition and at Bisley, and in the 
Palma conditions to which all teams agreed. Every rifle was 
strictly and perfectly of actual government pattern and would 
have been accepted by the government from any contractor 
making rifles for the government. 
"It would have been quite easy to put five points per man at 
least on to the average British score by simple changes in the 
bore and rifling; but that would have been a fraud under the 
conditions, and the rifles would have been refused the viewer's 
mark. 
"The rifle used by Wallingford was exactly similar to that with 
which he won the' British army championship. That used by 
Miller was exactly similar to that with which he won the Prince 
of Wales one hundred pounds, and the Cheylesmore top score 
of the .303's the next week. I sold him both, and I know Martin, 
of Glasgow, sold Wallingford his. They were better rifles than 
ordinary government rifles, because better made and adjusted 
in many important points, but they were absolutely to govern- 
ment gauges and pattern. 
"Now, the American rifles were not of government pattern in 
rifling, either in form, or spiral, or number of grooves. They shot 
better than any Krag of government pattern and dimensions. 
They were in no sense of the ordinary government pattern or 
dimensions internally, and did not fulfill the conditions to which 
the team officials had agreed. 
"That was well known to me, and some others. But we had 
no information that this new pattern rifling had not been adopted 
in the United States since the date of our specimen Krag rifles. 
Britons would not charge opponents with breach of conditions 
without absolute proof, and proof was not then available. It was 
assumed that the American officials of the team would put be- 
fore the meeting of captains of teams any point on which there 
could be any doubt, but they failed to do it. The American rifles 
were accepted in competition at the North London meeting, be- 
cause they were understood to be the American Army pattern, 
and the shooting would give a very useful comparison. 
"I was not in the British team, but I watched the match very 
closely and some of the practices. I do not blame the members 
of the team for using the barrels served to them; they left all 
such matters to their captain, no doubt. He failed to keep the 
conditions, and probably he failed to comprehend them. I do 
uot write to try to convert him, but to put facts within my own 
knowledge before the many friends I have among the riflemen of 
the United States. 
"Until the rifles used by your team were barred out at Sea 
Girt as not of government pattern, we had no real knowledge that 
that pattern had not been recently adopted. 
"Personally I would have objected before the match or never. 
But our excellent captain is tenderer in hand and heart than — 
"L. R. TiPPrNS." 
"While I should be very sorry to prolong the discussion of the 
unfortunate Palma trophy question, there is such a complete mis- 
apprehension on your side of the water as to the government 
viewing and marking of rifles, that some explanation of the 
matter seems very desirable. 
"Viewing s.nd view marks are totally separate and distinct from 
proving and proof marks; the latter is not done by the govern- 
ment at all, but at cither the Birmingham proof house controlled 
by guardians (composed of members of different sections of the 
Birmingham gun trade), or else at the London proof house, con- 
trolled by the Gun Makers' Company. The proving merely tests 
the strength and soundness of the barrel and action; a firearm 
may not be sold here without proof marks. 
"The viewing is done by the government viewers at the Govern- 
ment Small Arms Factory at Enfield—the same officials who pass 
rifles manufactured at Enfield, and also small arms supplied to 
the government under contract. The view marks are placed on 
both barrel and action; they certify that the weapon is of strictly 
government pattern in every particular from buttplate to muzzle, 
inside and out; for example, sights, chamber* lead, bore, shape, 
number and depth of grooves, weight and shape of stock, etc. 
The stock and btitt may be made of selected grain wood; but 
must not be checkered; they may be polished. 
"A rifle so viewed may be used in any individual or team ser- 
vice rifle competition at Bisley and other rifle meetings; while 
one not viewed, if used, will lead to the competitor being, warned 
off such competitions for life. All the rifles used by the British team 
in the Palma match were used in other service rifle competitions 
mi matches ; from the King's priae downward, It is commonly 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
believed on this side that the United States rifles could not have 
been used in corresponding competition in America. 
"However, whatever either rifles were, the shooting of both 
the leading teams was beyond question superb; the organization 
of the United States team was as near perfect as anything in this 
world, and certainly far ahead of that of the other teams. Per- 
sonally I think the better organization quite counterbalanced the 
disadvantage of being less familiar with the range; while the small 
difference of the scores was, I fancy, mostly due to the difference 
of the rifles, especially of the sights. 
"Maurice Blood." 
New York Schuetzen Corps. 
Friday, Nov. 11, was a scene of great activity on the Zettler 
ranges, the above organization holding their first practice shoot. 
Seventy-five members were on hand to make things interesting. 
Scores: R. Gute 487, G. Ludwig 473, O. Schwaneman 470, P. 
Heidelberger 463, B. Zettler 462, C. Konig 456, F. Facompre 455, 
H. Hasse 455, J. N. F. Seibs 454, J. C. Bonn 453, L. C. 
Hagenah 453, J. C. Brinckman 449, J. Paradies 448, J. H. Hain- 
horst 446, J. Facklamm 445, C. Seivers 445, J. G. Tholke 445. 
M. J. Then 443, H. D. Meyer 441, N. C. L. Beverstein 441, G. N. 
Offerman 439, H. Nordbruck 436, H. C. Hainhorst 438, W. 
Dahl 436, J. H. Meyer 437, C. Schmidt 434, H. Beckman 434, H. 
Leopold 432, H. Offerman 432, H. B. Michaelson 432, J, C. 
Brinckman 432, Wm. Grell 431, A. W. Lemcke 431, Wm. Schultz 
4oU, A Beckman 428, G. Thomas 426, Geo. Junge 426, C. Roffman 
426, J. N. Herrman 424, J. H. Krozer 420, J. Schmidt 419, H. 
Gobber 418, H. Koster 418, Dr. Chas. Grosch 417, J. Jantzen 417, 
H. Mesloh 417, A. Evers 416, C. Maun 415, F. W. Dierks 415, 
H. M. Meyer 411, Hecker 410, H. Hess 408, J. Bradley 407, H. 
Kahres 407, W. P. Rottmann 401, H. Caplan 400, L. Goldstein 
389, A. Geibehaus 389, D. Ficken 387, Chas. Beach 382, D. Von 
der Leith 380, G. N. Bohlken 377, W. J. Behrens 373, F. Schultz 
367, M. Von Dwingelo 363, N. W. Haaren 357, P. Pranz 356, F. 
Lankeman 355, G. H. Ficken 349, C. Knell 339, C. Heilshorn 328, 
W. Schaefer 319, B. Krumm 303, J. F. R. Ernst 282, R. 
Ohms 125. 
On the bullseye target, the following centers were made: L. C. 
Hagenah 35 degrees, F. W. Dierks 41%, F. Schultz 41%, H. 
Nordb'ruck 42%, H. Hasse 54, H. Beckman 55y 2 , J. H. Hainhorst 
62, J. N. Herrman 65, John Bradley 66. Jacob Schmidt 75%, H. 
L>. Meyer 76, H. Mesloh 80%, J. Jantzen 86, J. Facklamm 89, H. 
C. Hainhorst 91, J. N. Seibs 92. Hy. Decker 102, William Dahl 
109, H. Gobber 110, J. C. Brinkman U8, H. Kahres 119, C. Maun 
122%, C. Schmitz 129y 2 , P. Heidelberger 163%. 
[Nov. 26, 1904. 
Championship 100 Shot Match, 1904. 
This match, held annually under the auspices of the Zettler 
Rifle Club, was shot on the Greenville range Election Day, Nov. 
8, under ideal weather conditions. 
The range was open for practice at 9 A. M., with plenty of 
competitors on hand long before that time. In last year's con- 
test several were handicapped, on account of a late start, and 
were unable to finish; but this year the match started promptly 
at 10 A. M., the only shooter unable to finish being M. Dorrler, 
who did not enter the match until the afternoon. 
The allowance of telescope sights this year seemed to meet 
with the approval of many, several men at once availing them- 
selves of the privilege. Mr. H. M. Pope, of Chicopee Falls, Mass., 
was the winner of the match. 
At the close of the contest a banquet was served at the park, 
and a very pleasant evening was had in discussing past per- 
formances. Scores follow: H. M. Pope 2270, W. G. Hudson 
2250, F. C. Ross 2233, George Schlicht 2197, W. A. Tewes 2188, 
j. T. Humphrey 2146, R. Gute 2101, W. A. Barker 2100, L. P. 
Hanson 2088, L. P. Buss 2084, A. Hubalck 2082, L. Schmidt 2034, 
Owen Smith 2002, H. F. Barning 1988, George Bain 1966, H. 
Fenwirth 1964, J. Kaufman 1935, C. E. Taintor 1919, A. Begerow 
1902, P. Andrassey 1894, B. Zettler 1874, L. Maurer 1850, O. 
Mertens 1801, P. J. Donovan 1790, M. Behm 1728, A. Fritsky 1504. 
Rifle at Shell Mound. 
San Francisco, Nov. 15. — Capt. Louis Siebe, proprietor of 
Shell Mound Range, yesterday gave a shoot and a dance, to 
signalize the closing of the picnic season. The attendance was 
large, as the Captain is a very popular host. All enjoyed the 
choice dinner served by the proprietor and his wife. 
The regular . club competitions were held, and the average 
scoring was high. The interest was keen, as Dec. closes the 
competition for the much-desired annual medals. Notable scores 
were: F. E. Mason 233 with rifle, 200yds., and D. B. Faktor 231. 
I am very much pleased to see that there is serious talk of 
putting the Government arm into the hands of civilian marksmen. 
It would also be the best possible investment for the Government • 
to furnish an abundance of , ammunition to the State militia with- 
out cost. The question of ranges is a perplexing one; but a 500 
or 600yd. range can readily be established near every town or 
city, and a man who does good work at this distance can be 
counted on to do effective work at longer distances. I earnestly 
hope the general Government will take the necessary steps to 
make a marksman out of every citizen. Roeel. 
New York Central SchueUen Corps, 
A good attendance and keen competition marked the opening 
of the season's gallery practice for the above society, held on the 
Zettler ranges, Wednesday, Nov. 16: 
Ring target: R. Gute 487, R. Busse 481, Geo. Zimmerman 476, 
J. Hess 474, H. D. Muller 473, D. Scharninghausen 466, J. N. 
Seibs 461, C. Gerken 460, Geo. Viemeister 458, F. Rolfes 454, M. 
Oltmann 452, G. Rohdes 450, W. J. Daniels 449, H. Roffman 447, 
A. Ritterhoff 440, J. von der Leith 436, P. Bauman 434, H. Brum- 
mer 428, H. von der Leith 425, C. Tietjen 404, H. A. Fiecke 396, 
D. Wuehrmann 395, J. Eismcyer 366, G. Dillhoff 362, F. Ricker 
342, J. C. Miller 328. 
Bullseye target: H. A. Ficke 65% degrees, J. N. Seibs 67, 
H. Roffman 72%, R. Busse 88, D. Scharninghausen 93%, J. Hess 
99, G. Rohde 99, B. Eusner 118, G. Zimmerman 122%, J. von der 
Leith 125, W. J. Daniels 127, A. Ritterhof 129, H. Brummer 130, 
F. Rolfes 131, R. Gute 144, C. Gerken 152%, H. D. Muller 159, 
Geo. Viemeister 160, M. Oltmann 164, H. von der Leith 182%, 
F. Ricker 189, P. Bauman 200, G. Dillhoff 229. 
New York City Schuetzen Corps. 
Scores follow for the regular practice shoot at headquarters, 
159 West Twenty-rthird street, New York, Nov. 17: 
Ring target : A. Kronsberg 482, C. G. Zettler 477, R. Busse 
473, R. Schwaneman 468, J. Metzger 449, G. Schroeter 431, Wm, 
Heil 403, A. Wiltz 402. 
Bullseye target : R. Schwaneman 69 degrees, R. Busse, 100, 
J Keller 116, J. Metzger 130,"" GT Schroeter 141%, A. Kronsberg 
148, Wm, Heil 195, A, Wiltz 232. „ . _ _ 
Cincinnati Rifle Association. 
The following scores were made in regular competition by 
members of the Cincinnati Rifle Association at Four-Mile House, 
Reading, on their last regular shoot day. Conditions: 200yds. 
oftMiand, at the 25-ring target. Hasenzahl was declared champion 
for the day, with the good score of 228. He was also high on tbe 
honor target with 67 points, A tricky 6 to 9 o'clock wind blew 
all day, making gocd scores difficult to make: 
Hasenzahl 228 217 217 215 20? 
Payne 224 222 222 220 218 
Nestler 220 218 215 214 213 
Bruns 220 214 211 209 209 
Roberts ,.215 213 213 212 212 
Hofer 215 215 202 201 200 
Odell 213 212 210 209 208 
Hofman 210 204 197 194 192 
Freitag 208 200 191 186 186 
Trounstine 199 185 175 168 ... 
New York Indepecdent Corps. 
The second practice shoot of this club was held Thursday 
evening, Nov. 10, Scores follow: H. D. Muller 484, L. Schmidt 
484, F. Liegebel 482, A. Begerow 478, F. A. Young 471, J. N. 
F. Siebs 469, J. Bittschner 467, J. Facklamm 467, Wm. Soell 467, 
, G. T. Zimmerman 464, J. Schmid 457, B. Eusner 452, H. J. 
Behrens 439, H. Kabisske 427, F. C. Halbe 422, A. Rodler 410. 
Zettler Rifle Club. 
The appended scores were recorded on Nov. 15 in the regular 
weekly shoot on the regular 25-ring target, 75ft., offhand: L. C. 
Buss 1229, C. Zettler, Jr., 1217, L. P. Hansen 1216, G. Schlicht 
1214, R. Gute 1213, C. G. Zettler 1210, B. Zettler 1191, H. C. 
Zettler 1188, A. Begerow 1183, H. Fenwirth 1180, L. Maurer 1176, 
T. H. Keller 1169, G. J. Bernius 1163, F. Herpers 1145. 
Rifle Notes. 
The team match shot on the Creedmoor range Nov. 12, between 
the Ninth and Seventy-first Regiments, resulted in a victory for 
the Seventy-first by a margin of 31 points. 
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S. M. Van Allen, of Jamaica, N. Y., the expert fancy rifle shot, 
left Saturday for the south on a hunting trip in company with a 
party of well-known sportsmen. The trip, we believe, is to be an 
extended one. 
The Iroquois Rifle Club, of Pittsburg, will hold their first annual 
rifle tournament under the auspices of the Indoor .22 Caliber 
League of the United States, Jan. 16-20. 
fgrxpshaothtg. 
If you want your shoot to be announced here aend a 
notice like the following t 
Fixture*. 
Nov. 24.— Ossining, N. Y., Gun Club merchandise shoot. C. G. 
Blandford, Capt. . . 
Nov. 24-26.— Tucson.— Arizona Sportsmen s Association tourna- 
ment. 
Nov. 29-Dec. 1.— St. Thomas, Ont., tournament. , , „ 
Nov. 30.— Edge water, N. J.— All-day shoot of the Mullente Gun 
Club. A. A. Schoverling, Mgr. 
Dec. 6-8.— Salina, Kans.— Anderson's tournament . 
Dec. 17.— Lakewood, N. J.— All-day shoot of Mullente Gun Club. 
A. A. Schoverling, Sec'y. 
1905. 
Jan. 17-20.— Hamilton, Can., Gun Club live-bird tournament. J. 
Hunter, Sec'y. „ • „ • .. 
Tan 23-28.— Brenham, Tex.— Sunny South Handicap. 
Tan' 31-Feb 2.— Taylor, Tex.— Central Texas Handicap. 
"[an' 31-Feb 2.— Taylor, Tex.— Central Texas Handicap tourna- 
ment. C. F. Gilstrap, Mgr. „ . „ ,. ... 
Feb. 6-9.— Houston, Tex.— Len's Grand Southern Handicap. All. 
Gardiner, Mgr. ■ 
June 8-9.— Dalton, O., Gun Club annual tournament. Ernest ir. 
Scott, Capt. - 
West Virginia Sportsmen's Association. 
Sistersville, W. Va., Nov. 21.— We should like to claim the 
following dates and announce to the shooting fraternity that the 
ninth annual tournament of the West Virginia State Sportsmen's 
Association will be held on the grounds of the Ohio Valley Shoot- 
ing Association, Parkersburg, W. Va., May 16, 17 and 18, 1905. 
I am informed that, besides a number of merchandise prizes 
of value, there will be something like $600 in cold cash added to 
the purses. 
The affair will be under the management and personal direction 
of the three famous Indians: F. E. Mallory (Chief Tell'm How), 
Jno. F. Mallory (Chief Hole Digger), and Hon. S. T. Mallory 
(Chief Life Saver). These noted warriors are thoroughly civilized 
and quite peaceable, and no one would suspect that they are full- 
blooded Comanches. It has been a long time since they have 
killed any one. While, on festive occasions, a great many would 
naturally expect them to appear on the shooting grounds in paint 
and feathers, to eat raw meat and drink blood, we positively 
assure all that they will do nothing of the kind. On the other 
hand, they walk and talk as other people, and have actually been 
known to take their own lives in their hands in rescuing those 
of their tribe. Upon this particular occasion, we guarantee that 
they will do their utmost to provide every comfort for their 
visitors, and to do all in their power to make our ninth annual 
a banner tournament. We will have something more to say about 
this shoot later. Ed. O. Bower, Sec'y. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
Club secretaries are invited to send their scores for 
publication in these columns, also any news notes they 
may care to have published. Mail all such matter to 
Forest and Stream Publishing Company, 346 Broadway, 
New York. Forest and Stream goes to press on Tues- 
day OF EACH WEEK. 
The regular shoot of the Montclair, N. J., Gun Club will be held 
on Thanksgiving Day, commencing at 9 o'clock. 
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There will be an all-day shoot at Point Breeze, Philadelphia, on 
Thanksgiving Day. Competition will begin at 10 o'clock. A 
special match is fixed to take place between Messrs. Fred Murphy 
and C, W, Wilson, at 25 birds, $50 a side, 
