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Manhasset Bay Y, C. 
Port Washington, Long Island Sound— Saturday, Sept. 30. 
The Manhasset Bay Y. C. fall regatta, sailed on Saturday, 
Sept. 30, wound up the racing on Long Island Sound. 
The fixture brought out thirty-one starters, a remarkably good 
shownm for an event sailed so late in the season. Colonel Fred- 
erick (L Hill managed the race from Commodore Alker’s steam 
Florence. The winners were Mimosa I., Thelema, Cara 
Mia, Firefly, Tartan, Paumonak, Vaquero, and Sweetheart. 
Owing to the light wind, the start was postponed half an hour, 
and it was 1:30 when the first signal was given. The start was off 
jHe red and black buoy to the north and east of Execution Light, 
rke little catboats Sweetheart and Joke covered a 7-mile triangle. 
All boats in the other seven classes covered once the following 
course: From the starting line, N.E. by E., 3.76 miles, to and 
around Buoy A, off Parsonage Point; thence S. 3.25 miles, tO' and 
around black buoy El, near Week’s Point, in Hempstead Bay; 
thence W.N.W.^ 3.60 miles to and around the stakeboat at the 
starting line. Distance 10% nautical miles. 
The wind was S.W., and the first leg was a reach, the second a 
run and the third- a- beat. 
The two Mimosas were the only starters in Class N. The wind 
was too light for the new Herreshoff boat to do much, and she 
was unable to save her time over the older craft. On corrected 
time Mimosa I. won by 8m. 34s. 
In the special 27ft. class, Thelema beat Firefly 23s. 
Cara Mia went into first place soon after the start in the New 
York one-design 30ft. class, and she was never headed. She beat 
Neola II., the second boat, Im. 58s. Phryne was third, 2m. 15s. 
behind Cara Mia, and Nautilus was fourth. 
In the regular 27ft. class, Mr. Guy Standing brought his entry. 
Firefly, in 6m. 14s. ahead of Rascal. 
The invincible Tartan won easily in the raceabout class. She 
beat Rascal II. Im. 4s., and Indian 6m. 61s. 
Paumonak won by a good margin from Okee in the 22ft. class. 
Vaquero won . in the Larchm'ont 21ft. Class. Dorothy was the 
only other boat to finish in the class, and she came in 6m. 26s. 
behind the winner. Captain Jim Summer’s catboat Sweetheart 
defeated her only competitor in her class by nearly 5m. 
There were two starters in the Manhasset one-design class, but 
both finished too late to be timed. The summary; 
Sloops — Class N— 33-footers — Start, 1:40 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Finish. Elapsed. 
Mimosa I., G. M. T. Raborg 4 24 41 2 44 41 
Mimosa III., T. L. Park 4 37 35 2 67 35 
Corrected time. Mimosa III. 2.53.15. 
Match Race — 27ft. Sloops — Start, 1:40 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Firefly, G. P. Granbery 5 26 05 3 46 05 
Thelema, A. E. Black 6 25 42 3 45 42 
New York 30-footers — Start, 1:45 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Alera, A. H. & J. W. Alker ...4 47 14 3 02 14 
Atair, Cord Meyer 4 49 20 3 04 20 
Adelaide II., Adee Bros 4 48 40 3 03 40 
Neola II., George M. Pynchon 4 43 12 2 68 12 
Cara Mia, S. Wainwright 4 41 14 2 56 14 
Nautilus, A. G. & H. W. Hanan 4 46 22 3 01 27 
Phryne, H. L. Maxwell 4 43 29 2 58 29 
Dahinda, W. Butler Duncan, Jr. 6 01 01 3 16 01 
Sloops — ^27-footers — Start, 1:60 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Rascal, J. J, Dwyer 5 19 20 3 29 20 
Firefly, Guy Standing 6 13 06 3 23 06 
Raceabouts — Start, 1:55 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Tartan, A. H. Pirie 5 03 47 3 08 47 
Indian, William Gardner 5 10 38 3 16 38 
Rascal II., S. C. Hopkins ....5 04 51 3 09 51 
Invader, Jr., Roy A. Rainey 5 22 01 3 27 01 
Busy Bee, R. T. Wainwright 5 18 40 3 23 40 
Rana, W. W. Swan 6 16 26 3 21 26 
Mystral, A. C. Bostwick 5 33 32 3 38 32 
.Sloops — 22-footers — Start, 2:00 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Paumonak, F. P. Currier 5 50 10 3 50 10 
Okee, J. E. & J. A. Mahlstedt 6 20 40 4 20 40 
Ace, R. N. Bavier .Not timed. 
Larchmont 21-fopters — Start, 2:05 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Vaquero, William Stump 6 39 19 3 34 19 
D 6 roth 5 '-, L. G. Spence 5 44 45 3 39 45 
Foilette, L. C. Garcy .Did not finish. 
Manhasset Raceabouts — Start, 2:10 — Course, 10% Miles. 
Arizona, George W. Rear Not timed. 
Pup, T. W. Ratsey... Not timed. 
Catboats — Start, 2:16^Course, 7 Miles. 
Sweetheart, J. C. Summers 4 55 56. 2 40 56 
Joke, C. C. Converse 5 14 46 2 59 45 
Corrected time. Joke 2.45.45. 
Bensonhurst Y, C. 
Gravesend Bay — Thursday, Sept. 30. 
Races in divisions B and C of the Bensonhurst Y. C. handicap 
regatta on Sept. 16 were resailed on the afternoon of Saturday, 
Sept. 30, over courses in the Lower Harbor. This was done 
because the starters in the firstmamed. division had rounded the 
wrong buoy in the original contest, and because there was a 
misunderstanding as to the direction of the finish in the other. 
The result of the latter race was close, Saetta losing to Ogeemah 
by 10s. after leaving her course to cross the line in the direction 
of the start. The wn'nners of the resailed race were Vivian II., 
which scored like honors in the initial struggle, and Cockatoo II. 
In the handicaps arranged, Vivian II. as scratch boat, allowed 
Anona 6m. and Lizana 3m., and in the other division More 
Trouble and Cockatoo II. were on scratch, allowing Saetta Im. 
and Ogeemah 9m. for a 12-mile course. Only one round was 
covered because of a failing breeze, and half handicaps were in 
order. 
The boat.s went to windward and return from the start, off 
Ulmer Park, to the bell buoy off West Bank Light. Vivian II. 
had no difficulty in wnnning her division honors, beating Lizana 
by 18m. 32s. corrected time. More Trouble led the Class Q 
boats at the end of the outward journey, but was passed by 
Cockatoo II. on the run home. The wind was so light at the 
finish that Ogeemah did not have w'ay enough on to stem the tide, 
so withdrew. 'The results , in the class showed that the handicaps 
were well conceived. 
In the evening the Bensonhurst Y. C. held a “hauling out” 
dinner, at which on. hundred sat down. The affair was success- 
ful. It developed during the evening that the Crescent A. C., 
which is to build in Class RR next year, may ask for representa- 
tion. in the Yacht Racing Association of Gravesend Bay. The 
summaries of the last race of 1905 follow: 
Sloops — Classes P and Above — Stmt, 3:03. 
Vivian II., S. E. Vernon 
Lizana, D, S. Wylie 
Anona, Menton Bros 
Sloops — Class 
Cockatoo II., H. Chubb 
Saetta, G. H. Church 
More Trouble, W. H. Childs.... 
Ogeemah, A. MacKay 
Finish. 
Elapsed. 
Corrected. 
..4 50 10 
1 47 10 
1 47 10 
. .5 10 12 
2 07 12 
2 05 42 
. .Did not finish. 
Q— S'art, 
3:06. 
..6 07 15 
2 01 15 
2 01 15 
..5 15 05 
2 09 05 
2 12 35 
..5 18 00 
2 12 00 
2 12 00 
. .Did not finish. 
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New York Y. C. 
Glen Cove, Long Island — Thursday, Sept. 28. 
Cara Mia finished first in the race between seven of the New 
\ ork Y. C. one-design 30-footers, sailed on Thursday, Sept. 28, 
and secured the cup offered by Mr. C. L. F. Robinson. Adelaide 
II. finished second and also received a cup put up by the donor 
of the first prize. 
Commodore Alker, of the Manhasset Bay Y. C., placed his 
steam, yacht Florence at the disposal of Mr. Oliver E. Cromwell, 
Chairman of the Regatta Committee, who managed the match. 
There was a good sailing breeze from the N.XV., and the boats 
went twice, over a 6-miIe windward and leeward course. The start 
was made at the buoy off Mott’s Point, and the windward mark 
was the buoy off the N.E. end of Execution. 
Neola II. nicely berthed, was first away, and she was followed 
by Nautilus, Cara Mia, Dahinda, Phryne, Adelaide II., and Alera. 
All but Alera held under the shore out of the tide, and gained 
thereby. Alera went off on her own hook and encountered the 
strong tide running out in the Sound, and suffered accordingly. 
Cara Mia worked into first place and led around the weather 
mark. Neola II. was next and Nautilus was third. 
On the spinnaker run back Neola II. regained first place, and 
was ahead at the end of the first round. Dahinda was third; then 
came Nautilus, Adelaide II., Phryne and Alera. 
Cara Mia’s owner seemed to get the most out of his boat on the 
windward work, and soon took the lead. Neola II. held her place 
until the run back to the finish, when she was passed by Adelaide 
II., which boat beat her out 10s. Cara Mia won by Im. 42s. The 
summary, start 2:10: 
Finish. Elapsed. 
Cara Mia, S. Wainwright 4 25 46 2 15 46 
Neola II., G. M. Pynchon 4 27 38 2 17 38 
Nautilus, H. W. & A. G. Hanan.... 4 29 12 2 19 12 
Phryne, FI. L. Maxwell 4 29 10 2 19 10 
Adelaide II., Adee Bros 4 27 28 2 17 28 
Alera, A. H. & J. W. Alker 4 33 43 2 23 43 
Dahinda, W. B. Duncan, Jr 4 33 16 2 23 16 
Friday, Sept. 29. 
The last racel for the 30-footers to be given by the New York 
Y. C. took place on Friday, Sept. 29. Dahinda got first, winning 
the prize offered by Vice-Commodore Henry Walters. It was a 
fluky day, and Mr. Oliver E, Cromwell stopped the boats after they 
had covered three legs of the course. 
The course was from Mott’s Point to Parsonage Point and 
return, toi be covered twice. When five starters were sent away 
at 2:10 the wind was S.E., making it a run to the first mark. 
The wind shifted to the W.S.W. soon after the start, and later 
veered to the S.S.W. and almost petered out entirely. 
It was a down-the-wind start, and the five boats got away well 
bunched, with spinnakers set. Dahinda, always smart in running, 
took the lead and continued to drop her four competitors. 
Almost from start to finish it was a case of almost constant 
shifting’ sail and trimming sheets. Those in the boats were kept 
guessing as to W'hat quarter the wind would next come from, and 
altogether it was a tiresome and tedious affair. 
While on the third leg the wind had let up to such an extent, 
that the boats were timed as finisliing at the Parsonage Point- 
mark. Dahinda beat Cara Mia 52s. Nautilus was third, 3m. 34s. 
behind Dahinda. The summary, start, 2:10': 
Finish. Elapsed. 
Dahinda, W. B. Duncan, Jr 4 60 35 2 40 35 
Cara Mia, S. Wainwright 4 51 27 2 41 27 
Nautilus, H. W. & A. G. Hanan 4 64 09 2 44 09 
Alera, A. H. & J. W. Alker 4 57 01 2 47 01 
Adelaide II., Adee Bros 4 57 51 2 47 51 
Newport Y. C* 
Subscription Race — Sunday, Sept. 24. 
The Newport Y. C. held a special race for catboats Sept. 24, for 
prizes offered by subscription at a meeting of the club held 
during the previous week. It was a heavy-weather race, there 
being a half gale from the S.W., and of the eight starters only 
six finished. Helen, which was regarded as a sure winner, broke 
down and had to withdraw. She was more than 5m. ahead at the 
time, and her withdrawal left a clear field to Vesper II., which boat 
beat Indian by the narrow margin of 34s. 
The start was made’ in Brenton’s Cove, and the course was to 
the spar buoy off Gould Island and return, a distance of about 8 
miles. 'This gave a run out and a beat back against v.dnd and tide. 
'The boats kept well together on the run out, but when they 
hauled on the wind for the beat back there was a battle for 
place, and Helen soon pulled ahead. When she broke down she 
had returned as far as the Training Station and had established a 
safe lead. The summary, start, 10:41: 
Finish. Corrected. 
Vesper II 12 40 00 1 59 00 
Indian 12 42 34 1 59 34 
Falconita 12 44 15 2 00 15 
Madge 12 46 CO 2 03 CO 
Vesper 1 12 52 05 2 09 05 
Windcloud 12 54 00 2 10 00 
Helen Did not finish. 
Nannie Did not finish. 
F. H. Young. 
Atlantic Y. C. 
Sea Gate, New York Harbor — Thursday, Sept. 28. 
In order tO' determine the winner of the Havens cup for Class 
Q boats, the Atlantic Y. C. held a post-season event on the after- 
noon, of Thursday, Sept. 28, over courses in the Lower Harbor. 
The winner proved to be Saetta, which finished a 11%-mile course 
21s. ahead of More Trouble. Cockatoo II. was 3m. 41s. away. As 
Saetta had previously scored two legs on the trophy, victory 
orought permanent possession of the same. 
The boats went twice over a triangular course from Sea Gate to 
the bell buoy on the end of Craven Shoal, thence to the bell buoy 
just to the northward of W est Bank Light, and home, leaving the 
turning buoys to port. The breeze held steady from the W. 
throughout the event. The first leg was a beat and the other two 
reaches. More Trouble invariably picked up on the reaches, but 
tost to Saetta on the windward work. The summary follows: 
Sloops — Class Q — Start, 3:05. 
Finish. Elapsed. 
Saetta, G. H. Church 5 36 50 2 30 50 
More Trouble, W. H. Childs 5 36 11 2 31 11 
Cockatoo II., H. Chubb 5 39 52 2 34 52 
Jamaica Bay Y. C. Plans. — The Jamaica Bay Y. C. 
is considering a proposition to build a bulkhead around 
its club house off Holland’s Station, and forming a basin 
for the yachts. The plan shown consists of twin cribs, 
each 25ft. wide, filled in with stones and sand pumped 
from the channel, forming a basin 257 by 200ft., with 
“L” extensions facing the channel to break the force of 
the wind, and prevent eddies from the inrushing tides. 
An opening looft. wide will be left for yachts to enter. 
This latter arrangement is expected to overcome troubles 
experienced in making landings at the float, as at present 
the strong tides in the channel make landings hazardous. 
The basin will, also m.ake a safe anchorage' for the yachts 
in storms. There will also be a marine railway at one 
end, Avhere boats can be hauled out for repairs, or where 
they can be taken out of the water and placed in WlTlte}’ 
quarters on the cribs, 
British Letter* 
The Rating Rule. — Now that the racing season is 
over the evergreen question of the rating rule has 
cropped up again in the yachting papers, chiefly in the 
way of letters from correspondents who are interested 
either practically or theoretically in the matter. Our 
present Y. R. A. rule holds good until the end of 1907, 
and it is undoubtedly the best rule, so far, that has been 
evolved, although designers seem to have been slow to 
take the fullest advantage of its good qualities, as has 
been clearly shown this year in the 52ft. class. It has 
been the custom to say that racing in this class has been 
closer than ever before, and that there was not much to 
choose between the four boats, but the table of winners 
shows this to be fallacious, and there is no doubt that 
Britomart and Sonya, as racers, are comparative fail- 
ures. If boats cannot be got into racing trim by the end 
of the season there must be something radically wrong 
with them, and there is something radically wrong with 
both of these boats. Sonya, although a beautifully roomy 
and comfortable boat down below, is too big-bodied, and 
Britomart is overdone in the way of reserve buoyancy 
and overhangs. Maymon comes out head of the list of 
the year, but she owes her place in some measure to good 
luck, and I am still convinced that the oldest boat, 
Moyana, is the pick of the quartette, for it seems certain 
that:, had she been as well served by fortune as Maymon, 
she would have been easily first, so far as first prizes are 
concerned. One hopeful sign about the present rule is 
that it encourages a fair amount of body, and a 52-footer 
has sufficient head room to make living on board a com- 
fort. Mr. Butler did not live on board of Maymon be- 
cause he happens to be a wealthy man and has . a large 
steam yacht, but Mrs. Turner-Parley and her daughter 
made Sonya their home during the racing season, and the 
owners of Moyana and Britomart did the same with their 
boats. A brief summary of their performances may be 
of interest here : 
Maymon. Moyana. Britomart. Sonya. 
Starts. 36 35 31 27' 
Finishes 34 30 26 20 
Firsts 13 12 6 6 
Seconds 11 8 10 7 
The present rating rule has two more years to run, so 
that even should an international rating rule be brought 
in it would not come in force here until Jan. 1,-1908. It 
is therefore doubtful whether any steps will be taken to 
enforce scantling restrictions until that date, as if that 
were done the present fleet of 52-footers and the 65- 
footer Zinita would be at once disqualified. It speaks 
volumes for the wonderful way these boats are built, to 
say that Moyana, Britomart and Sonya are all as fair 
now as when they were launched. Maymon has shown 
signs of structural weakness, though not to any great 
extent. Mylne, like his teacher, the late G. L. Watson, 
believes in composite construction, and there is no- doubt 
that these boats stand more strain and keep their shape 
better than any others, even when the construction is of 
the lightest description. 
The expense of light construction, however, and its 
drawbacks, when it comes to selling a boat, have proved 
too much for most owners, and been the death blow to 
the_ big classes, and hollow masts are another bogey 
which will have to go. In a letter to the Field of Sept. 9, 
Mr. Stothert reiterated what Sir Janies Pender stated 
in a letter to the Yachtsman of some weeks ago, viz., 
that owners w'ould not build in the big rating classes 
until the Y. R. A. had placed some wholesome restric- 
tions on flimsy construction. This will be done beyond 
doubt, but whether it will be now or in two years’ time 
is a matter of doubt. _ The rating rule itself seems to be 
quite satisfactory for boats of 52ft. rating and upward. 
Sornething must always be sacrificed to speed, and big- 
bodied boats will never be a success under the present 
rule. At the same time it is possible to have a success- 
ful 52-footer with 6ft. of head room, and on such a boat 
one can live with comfort. E. H. Kelly. 
Neola Sold. — Mr. George M. Pynchon has sold his 
sloop Neola to _Mr. J. Berre King. The boat will be 
raced by Mr. King’s son, Mr. Edward D. King. Neola 
■was built by the Townsend & Downey Company at 
Shooters’ Island from designs by Mr. William Gardner. 
She is built of bronze and is the sister ship to Weetamoe. 
K K 
Protests Withdrawn.— The protests filed with the 
New York Y. C. Regatta Committee by the owners of 
the 70“footers Yankee and Mineola after the race on 
July 8 for the Glen Cove Cups, have been withdrawn. 
at It 
Recent Sales. — The following sales . have been made 
through the office of Mr. Stanley M. Seaman : Auxiliary 
yawl Friartuck, by Mr. W. J. Brodie, of Cleveland, O., 
to Mr. Bernard Bloch, of Philadelphia, Pa. She is 46ft. 
over all, 32ft. waterline, 12ft. breadth and equipped with 
an eight horsepower Toquet engine. The yacht is now 
in Philadelphia and will be used for cruising on the 
Delaware River and Chesapeake Bay. Sloop Corneta has 
been sold by Mr. Eustis L. Hopkins, Larchmont Y. C., 
to Mr. George E. Darling, of the Rhode Island Y. C. 
She was designed by Crowninshield and built in 1899, 
46ft. over all, 30ft. waterline, 12ft. beam and 7ft. draft. 
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