Section II 
DR. FREEMAN; Dr. Cohen? 
DR. COHEN: I would like to return to the point that Dr. Henningfield was 
just talking about and the point that 1 raised a few minutes ago. 1 think it 
is very important not to put the burden in the wrong place. 
If we are going to put the burden on consumers to respond to whatever 
design changes industry makes and then educate them each time industry 
makes a clever change, as to where they put the holes or what kind of paper 
they use or whatever, we are fighting a losing battle. 1 think that the best 
approach here is really to allow the industry, which is able to modify its 
product, to modify it in order to obtain the maximum benefit to their sales 
from a low rating. They have an incentive to do that, and so, if the panel 
deems it appropriate, 1 would suggest that coming up with a rating system 
that reports to consumers a number within the range, which is not at the 
midpoint of the range but is tilted toward those who do compensate, is the 
smartest thing that can be done because that, in fact, will offer guidance 
to consumers who after all should not have the primary responsibility for 
outsmarting the designers of cigarettes, and 1 think that it would also provide 
the cigarette industry an opportunity to modify their design in order to 
achieve the numbers that are most beneficial for them. 
DR. FREEMAN: Dr. Hoffmann? 
DR. HOFFMANN: Before we got this upper limit and extreme, we should ask 
Dr. Guerin how far we can go. We have heard yesterday that the low-tar 
cigarette smoker may take up to 60 to 65 mL per puff and up to 6 or 7 puffs 
per minute; is that possible with our current equipment? 
DR. GUERIN: Current instrumentation would have to be modified 
somewhat to reach some of the extremes in terms of volumes. 
DR. HOFFMANN: You can do more than 50 mL? 
DR. GUERIN: Right. 
DR. HOFFMANN: With the machine? 
DR. GUERIN: No, 1 said that you can, but it would require some 
modification. 
DR. HOFFMANN: New machinery? 
DR. GUERIN: To reach some of the extremes in terms of puff volumes, 
frequencies for a 20-port system would be too high. You can purchase 
systems of smaller capacity that have that flexibility. 
DR. HOFFMANN: But the standard machine we have now cannot go 
through these extremes? 
DR. GUERIN: It would not be able to go through all the extremes without 
some modifications. 
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