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MS. PFUND: Well, I would want to make sure that this list went spe- 
cifically according to each organism, and really made sure that it was 
not only non-novel, but also safe; and this requires, I guess, individual 
testing of each organism on that list. I think this is something that was 
recognized in the Senate bill to regulate research, where it did restrict 
the definition some, but it also recognized the ultimate responsibility to 
protect the health and safety. 
MR. HELMS: I also have one final point to raise. I would like to 
second Dr. Shaw's recommendation that you make some comments here, some 
specific recommendations, because I think the scientific community — viewing 
this as an outsider — has made a tremendous effort to communicate in really 
a new way with the public, and I don't think this has been altogether easy 
for them. The language is not easy to get over, and some of them have had 
to spend lots of hours with people like me trying to explain what is going 
on. So putting this in formal documents and making this communication easy 
is going to be a new process, and they are going to need some help. So I 
would agree that you should send your suggestions. 
MS. PFUND: I will be happy to elaborate on them later on. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Dr. Sinsheitner. 
DR. SINSHEIMER: Well, just one minor comment to Peter. It is not 
merely, as I understand Ms. Pfund, the fact that the Green Book wasn't 
available with the Federal Register . It is also that many of the refer- 
ences in the Green Book are to unpublished materials. 
MS. PFUND: Right. 
MR. HUTT: Well, those could have been discussed, summarized, et cetera, 
in the Federal Register preamble, Bob, and made available through NIH upon 
request, if indeed that was the basis for it. That is a common procedure 
in writing things of this kind in the Government. NIH could have circu- 
lated them as part of the process. That is what I am suggesting. 
DR. SINSHEIMER: Well, they could, but the more common procedure in 
science is to publish the material. 
MR. HUTT: Yes, and I don't oppose that. 
MS. PFUND: I agree with Dr. Sinsheimer, because NIH, the mailing 
list they have is not nearly broad enough as compared to the journals' 
circulation. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Thank you, Ms. Pfund. Ms. Pfund will be back later 
in subsequent portions of this program. 
I am now going to call upon the first of the public witnesses. 
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