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could just tell us how do the International and the Public Health Service 
codes match up? 
SPEAKER: I will have to get back to you later on that. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Okay. I wanted to get that information sometime as 
we go along. 
John Tooze? Is it in reference to this question, John? 
DR. TOOZE: Yes, to just what you have just said. I think there are 
accepted international procedures for the shipping of these organisms, and 
those are the procedures we referred to. They are published by the WHO. 
Since the United States is self-supporting, and your internal postal 
regulations and interstate policy is one thing. I think the point was just 
made that in Europe we have lots of national boundaries to cross. It would 
require the recipient of any molecule or organism to have the authority 
from the representative of the local safety committee that he has the appro- 
priate facilities. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Okay, we will get to this later, but thank you for 
your comment. Dr. Tooze. 
Any question for Ms. Pfund, specifically. 
MS. PFUND: Can I just make one more comment? I think you have got to 
recognize that the training in aseptic techniques is going to be one of the 
most effective ways of controlling the hazards of this research, so that 
later we will have to develop some mechanisms for enforcement of the require- 
ments here. I think perhaps in this section some provision could be made 
for establishing some kind of grievance procedure for people who may receive 
training but may be dissatisfied with the nature or extent of that training. 
That is just a possibility. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: That is a most pregnant suggestion you just made, Ms. 
Pfund. A grievance procedure against whom? The faculty? Do I misinter- 
pret ? 
MS. PFUND: I guess if the biohazards committee is going to be estab- 
lishing some of the procedures for the training, and since some of that will 
be done by the principal investigator, I would think the grievance procedure 
would go through the committee and then the committee would deal with the 
investigator in question. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: I see. I understand. Thank you very much. 
Now, Dr. Ronald Cape. Dr. Cape, do you have something on physical 
containment ? 
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