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I would like to see those things clarified. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: 
Any questions or comments for Mr. Dach? 
Dr . Ahme d . 
DR. AHMED: About the local biohazards committees, how is that spelled 
out in the Guidelines? Is there anything, or is it left up the the individual 
ins t itut ions ? 
DR. FREDRICKSON: I think we really are getting now to roles and respon- 
sibilities . 
DR. AHMED: The only reason I bring this up is because he wanted a 
comment about non-ins t itut ional representation on it. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Well, that is very much a role and a responsibility 
which we will take up tomorrow. You will find that much later on in the 
revision and in the old Guidelines as well. 
Mr. Hutt. 
MR. HUTT: Could you suggest the form of penalty that could be invoked 
for the more minor infractions? 
MR. DACH: I haven't thought this completely through, but I think 
that some minor monetary civil penalty might be imposed for people found 
to have willful violation of the laboratory practices. 
MR. HUTT: Under what legal authority could they do that? 
MR. DACH: I am unclear, and I am not sure what the extent of NIH's 
authority may be. I realize that. 
MR. HUTT: Well, would you, for example, think that a person who violated 
good microbiological practice could be fired, or at least not permitted to 
work any further on the experiment? 
MR. DACH: I think that is a very plausible suggestion. 
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FREDRICKSON: 
PFUND : Would 
FREDRICKSON: 
PFUND: Could 
FREDRICKSON: 
Any further comments or questions? 
Dr. Barkley care to address — 
Ms. Pfund, I don't think we can all hear you. 
Dr. Barkley address Leslie's last question? 
About the air from the P3 facility? 
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