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Mr. Hutt. 
MR. HUTT: Could we have some clarification as to the intended appli- 
cation of the Guidelines to industrial research, because that has come up 
now on two occasions? 
DR. FREDRICKSON: I think again this is primarily a matter for roles 
and responsibilities. I think it is appropriate for this to have been 
raised because our question at NIH would be to seek the attitudes of both 
industry and nonindustrial people about any references within the Guide- 
lines that would intend to permit them to be applied under some circum- 
stances to industry. Obviously the matter of handling proprietary informa- 
tion and so forth is a key one to industry. It is not at this present time 
addressed in the Guidelines. I think we will have to reserve for tomorrow 
though, probably, the question of what might be the wisest thing to do in 
that regard. 
I think the same thing is true in a way for the distribution of HVl 
systems, Dr. Cape. You brought that up. NIH is gearing up to distribute 
HV2 and HV3 systems, and it will certainly attempt to do that probably for 
both the private and the public sector of research in this country, and it 
will also attempt to supply the world need insofar as it is possible and 
appropriate for us to do so. 
Mr. Beaty. 
MR. BEATY: Regarding your last statement, I have read where you will 
be distributing the HV3 and HV2 systems. Do you mean to include HVl as 
well? 
DR. FREDRICKSON: It is conceivable, yes, that we might include HVl's. 
Yes, I meant that we are considering that. 
Dr. Wright. 
DR. WRIGHT: I have a question for Dr. Gelfand. Are you suggesting 
that Chi-1776 is not strong enough for your purposes? 
DR. FREDRICKSON: I don't believe anybody can hear you, and I know you 
are not being recorded. Could you repeat the question? 
DR. WRIGHT: I am sorry; I will stand up. Are you suggesting that 
Chi-1776 is not a strong enough host organism for your purposes, or were 
you making that reference to E. coli K-12? 
DR. GELFAND: No. 
DR. WRIGHT: Are you contemplating using something stronger than E^ 
coli K-12? 
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