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DR. FREDRICKSON: Mr. Beaty. 
MR. BEATY: In the background of the proposed revisions on page 16, 
Category 35 for DNA viruses — 
DR. FREDRICKSON: This is in the Green Book? 
MR. BEATY: That is right. In transcripts of retrovirus genomes, you 
give either P4+EK1 or P3+EK2. Is the EK2 in the second case a mistake? In 
the Federal Register it is listed as EK3+P3 for that category. 
DR. ROWE: It was set for P3+EK3. That was my recollection. The 
minutes and all would have to clarify that. 
DR. 
FREDRICKSON: 
Mr. Helms. 
MR. 
HELMS: Will 
Dr. Helinski be back? 
DR. 
FREDRICKSON: 
Yes, I think he will. He is 
here . 
MR. 
save 
HELMS: All right, because my question was 
Dr. Rowe a sort of conflict of interest. 
really 
directed to 
him 
DR. 
FREDRICKSON: 
Would you like to address it 
to him 
now? 
MR. 
HELMS: Yes, 
I would. 
DR. 
FREDRICKSON: 
Dr. Helinski, do you mind? 
MR. HELMS: The 
the questions that 
question I have for you is to ask the 
have been asked previously, and that 
reverse of 
is whether 
some 
we 
have been too restrictive in these Guidelines, particularly with respect 
to viruses. I would like you to address yourself if you could, please, to 
the remarks that Dr. Tooze made earlier. I find it somewhat unfortunate 
that we have had to wait on these risk assessments. Now, there are other 
reasons, obviously, aside from the Guidelines — the legal problems and the 
labor problems and the rest of it. But one aspect that you can look at is 
whether it should have been set at such a high level of containment, whether 
it would have caused these problems in the beginning, or whether you would 
take — in other words, whether the European point of view is something that we 
should look at more closely — not because we are in competition with them, I 
might add, but because they are highly respected scientists. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Dr. Helinski. 
DR. HELINSKI: Well, to begin with, I am not an animal virologist, 
so far as the hazard aspects with animal viruses, I must admit at the out- 
set that I am very much dependent on people such as Wally Rowe and other 
animal virologists who have had input into our Committee. 
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