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Second, I wanted to briefly comment on the point raised by Patricia 
King on exemptions. A decision to move towards industrial prototypes or 
a decision to release hybrid organisms are both decisions which take science 
out of the laboratory and into society, very clearly. I don't think that 
those are decisions that should be taken by any nonrepresentative group. 
At the very least, each such decision needs a separate environmental impact 
statement, and however these decisions are made, my own view is that they 
should be made by some form of representative process. 
Okay, one second for Dr. Davis. I really can't resist this. I simply 
want to refer Dr. Davis to an example from the history of science. For rough 
ly seven years Henri Carre [?], the French physicist, and Albert Einstein 
interpreted the same set of data, precisely the same set of data on two very 
different theories. Carre used the classical theory of electromagnetism, 
and Einstein used his own special theory of relativity for seven years. So 
I think one should ask on the basis of that, and that is not an isolated 
example at all, where is the objectivity of science? I am not saying that 
there is no objectivity of science, but it is a very much more complicated 
matter than you seem to suggest. I think it would be a very interesting 
question for historians of science to look back on the debates like the one 
we have had today, and ask what did they do? What became of the data that 
was used as a basis for the revisions? 
Thank you. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Thank you, Dr. Wright. 
Mr . Hut t . 
MR. HUTT: Dr. Wright, I just wanted to pursue your discussion of the 
British situation. I don't want people to be misled. I don't think we 
ought to be controlled or follow foreign precedent just because it exists, 
but I think it is useful as background information to understand what the 
rest of the world is doing. Is it your understanding that under the regula- 
tions or code of practice that exists in England, that there is experimenta- 
tion going on that would not be permitted in this country under our current 
Guidelines? 
DR. WRIGHT: I think that question has been dealt with already. Appar- 
ently there is, yes. I was just pointing to the fact that there are in fact 
regulations backing up that work. 
MR. HUTT: And those regulations to your knowledge have the force of law 
If people violate them they go to jail? 
DR. WRIGHT: Well, Dr. Kendrew at Lancashire said as firmly as Dr. Tooze 
is now shaking his head, that they had the force of law, right. 
DR. TOOZE: They will have the force of law in October of 1978, and not 
until . 
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