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DR. FREDRICKSON: Are there any questions or comments from the Committee? 
Thank you very much. 
DR. SUZUKI: I am sorry, I didn't get to the crunch, which was to say, 
Well, what do we do about it? — and maybe that is for another time. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: We will proceed with the — Mr. Helms. 
MR. HELMS: Can I ask the witness what recommendations he has with 
respect to these Guidelines, or are they completely inappropriate and beyond 
the circumstances — 
DR. SUZUKI: I must say with respect to that, I have been incredibly 
impressed at how seriously people are taking the Guidelines and working to try 
to live up to them. I think it is a very healthy process. But I think that 
we delude ourselves in thinking that by establishing Guidelines we are somehow 
dealing with the issue, because I think the issues are far, far more profound 
than whether or not we are going to let a few bugs out, and I don't see any 
mechanism to deal with these other issues. 
MR. HELMS: What I am trying to get at here is would you recommend, 
if it were yours to recommend, the cessation of this work, or would you rather 
hold yourself up as a sort of a light in what you consider to be a dark, 
philosophical area that people can look at from time to time to see where 
they are going? 
DR. SUZUKI: I never try to hold myself up as a beacon for anyone. No, 
I have no recommendation at all about another moratorium or anything like 
that. What I would like, though, is the establishment — well, I had three 
recommendations at the end. I think that the scientific community has 
seriously got to get into the business of educating the public, and that is 
something that has been given lip service to for years and years, but in fact 
the scientific community's attitude toward popularizers of science is that it 
is a third-rate activity; I mean, it is an activity of third-rate minds; it is 
a vulgar activity, and something that you really don't pay much attention to. 
I believe that in the long run an educated public is one that is going 
to demand that at the least its politicians understand science and have 
positions on scientific issues. 
MR. HELMS: May I, since I happen to subscribe to some of those views 
very particularly, as you will see when I make some comments later on today 
— I would find it extremely useful if you would put on paper, so that we could 
have it as a committee, your recommendations for improving communications, 
because I think that is the bottom of the whole thing. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Dr. Shaw has a question. 
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