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DR. DUVICK: We look on this as a possibility, but really a very faint 
possibility. My personal opinion is that it may never really be possible 
to use these techniques on complex higher plants. But there is a possi- 
bility, and we look on it from that point of view. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: We are not talking about any reality today of any 
kind? 
DR. DUVICK: No, we are not in as big a hurry to get things 
down as some other people are here. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: It takes longer for a tree to grow. 
Could I ask if there are any comments or questions from the 
If not, we will take a fifteen-minute coffee break. 
(Brief recess.) 
settled 
Committee? 
DR. FREDRICKSON: The Committee will reconvene. I would like to call, 
at his request, Dr. Adams back just for a moment. He wants to make a state- 
ment . 
Dr. Adams. 
DR. ADAMS: Thank you, Dr. Fredrickson. I have asked for the opportu- 
nity to make a brief statement concerning the report by Ms. Simring relative 
to Miles Laboratories. I have just been in correspondence by telephone with 
the Senior Vice President of Research for Miles Laboratories, who informs me 
that that work is not being conducted by Miles Laboratories, that it is 
being conducted in an academic institution that is supported by Miles Labor- 
atories, and for reasons given to me by Dr. Beers, they did not consider 
that that particular project came under the purview of the NIH Guidelines. 
DR. FREDRICKSON: Thank you, Dr. Adams. 
Mr. Helms. 
MR. HELMS: Could I have a clarification as to what you mean by "pur- 
view"? Would it have been, in other words, outside the Guidelines in the 
sense that it wasn't recombinant DNA research, or recombinant DNA research 
which would have been covered by the Guidelines had there been an NIH grant 
invo lved . 
DR. ADAMS: It would not have been covered under the NIH Guidelines 
if there were a grant involved because the investigator considered it non- 
novel recombinant DNA. 
MR. HELMS: So, in other words, even applying the Guidelines, it wouldn't 
have been a covered experiment. 
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