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Mr. Roberts. It would seem to me from all of the testimony we 
have had, even from some of the people who are against any legis- 
lation, not opposing the giving of adequate, clean, sanitary quarters 
for animals, we find the majority of people are in agreement. The 
quality of research work would certainly not be downgraded by assur- 
ing animals of at least a minimum degree of comfort, care, and proper 
food. 
I think if we accomplish nothing else in this hearing but that one 
thing, we have gone quite a distance. 
Mrs. Dunn. That is right. 
Mr. Roberts. How we accomplish that remains to be seen but it 
would seem to me that even those who say that it would be so much 
redtape, we cannot do the work because of making out reports — I 
am not saying these people are insincere or that they are incorrect, 
necessarily — but I am trying to sit in the position of judge as to 
people’s opinions and it would seem to me that certainly as far as 
adequacy of proper facilities is concerned, most everyone is in agree- 
ment these cruel and inhumane methods ought to be discarded. 
Mrs. Dunn. Mr. Chairman ? the difference between the WARDS 
program and other programs is that we would set up an agency that 
need not be a big one but one that instead of coming in and finding 
out that something is wrong, it would go in and find out how it 
could help the situation in the same way that an institute plans and 
provides for a program for heart, cancer, or for anything else. Testi- 
mony has shown there is plenty wrong but it will be corrected only 
by intelligent planning. 
A number of medical witnesses asked for funds for animal care, but 
the way to really save funds would be to intelligently plan their ex- 
penditure in obtaining a high national standard of care. That is 
why the WARDS approach is different in that we are not an inspec- 
tion agency alone but a cooperating and building agency. 
Mr. Roberts. I think there are at least several programs that have 
worked well. I have not interfered with the right of local jurisdic- 
tions but have hoped instead that there would be a cooperative type 
of arrangement. 
The President recently signed a bill that came from this Sub- 
committee on Migratory Workers. This goes into 30-some-odd 
States. They make very little in the way of money but yet there is 
a gathering of crops throughout the country with billions of dollars 
in crops in value involved. 
We passed a bill which is going to cost the Federal Government 
very little and it provides a leadership in working with the local 
authorities. I think it is going to be a very fine program. 
I think perhaps we might look at that same system in considering 
this legislation. 
Thank you very much. 
Are there any questions, Mr. Nelsen ? 
Mr. Nelsen. No. 
Mr. Roberts. Is Dr. Rabstein here ? 
(No response.) 
Mr. Roberts. Dr. Eugene Marshall Renkin, of the Physiology De- 
partment of George Washington University ? 
(No response.) 
