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found it so in my limited experience. We iind one thing, namely, that 
material forces act invariably, we find that the mind will not act as it ought 
to do. The unbiassed man sees a thing perfectly clearly which the biassed 
cannot and will not see ; and this shows that there is something more powerful 
than the function of the brain. The immaterial, undefined, unscientific will 
acts, after all, more powerfully than the material brain, and I can only say 
that the obstinate refusal of some of these great scientists to see how utterly 
unscientific they are when engaged upon theological questions, is one of the 
most curious proofs that there is a will, and that that will is utterly contrary 
to the mere physical laws, because it has an utter want of that reason which 
is found in the material world. 
Mr. J. Enmoke J ones. — After reading this paper yesterday I thought, Why 
is it that Prof. Tyndall has taken the views he has expressed l I knew that he 
was reared at the feet of Robert Owen. I knew he was chemical tutor in 
Owen’s educational establishment in Hampshire. What a lad gets into his 
brain when a lad, often continues right through his life. I therefore feel that 
his theological views having been saturated, as it were, into his very life’s 
core by Robert Owen, who was, you know, an atheist for a considerable time ; 
that may have influenced him in his thinkings and his doings. At 
the same time I cannot find fault with Tyndall, because he is a splendid 
examiner of the materials which the Creator has created. Tyndall is doing 
a mighty good, and if we will attend to what he is discovering, I have no 
doubt but that we shall perceive he is laying a foundation which will be 
of great use to the Church. In future time this will be seen. I do not see 
that the paper proves anything. 
Rev. C. L. Engstrom. — I should like to say a few words upon one point. 
I think that Prof. Tyndall has warred against good sense. Suppose I 
held his views and were arguing with one who held the views I really 
hold, I should be bound to say, “ You who believe that the world has 
not existed more than a few thousand years, must regard the instincts which 
are in yourself as implanted from without ; but I, who hold the world to 
have existed for endless years, must see that every universal instinct in the 
human heart or mind must have grown up from an agreement with the 
phenomena surrounding it ; and therefore, whenever I find such a universal 
instinct as a belief in God or a belief in free will, I, holding the development 
theory, must regard this as not implanted by some being for injurious 
purposes, but as the result of my nature having been brought, during 
millions of years, into exact accordance with surrounding facts. And there- 
fore, every universal instinct, including belief in God and belief in free will, 
is, if the development theory be carried to its fullest extent, shown to be 
absolutely and necessarily true.” 
Rev. J. Fisher, D.D. — I regard this as a very important paper. It has 
been said that Dr. Porter has proved nothing ; but I hold that he has 
proved a great deal. I think that the secret with regard to Prof. Tyndall’s 
launching out into various branches of philosophy, metaphysics, and 
theology, and making such sad blunders, is that it arises from what is 
