truth, and one convert him, let him know that he which converteth the sinner 
from the error of his way shall save a soul from death.” Is that saving from 
physical death ? Then in the Epistle to the Hebrews I find this passage : — 
“ Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves, for they 
watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it 
with joy and not with grief.” Is that watching to preserve the life of the 
physical organism ? That soul and life are always interchangeable is an 
assertion that will not stand. I wish now to touch upon a point which will 
somewhat lighten this heavier argumentation. In the 29th section I find : — 
“Another point of inference is one in regard to space and time. The 
view taken in this paper would lead to the inference that the idea of space 
and time does not enter into the consciousness of spirits in Hades. The 
clockwork of the material world is there not only never seen, but even the 
gauge which the moral or psychical affections supply is wanting. There is, 
therefore, nothing, so far as we can conceive, to measure space or time with.” 
Now that is a yery curious speculation, and certainly it took me quite by 
surprise. Where is this Hades ? I find Christ saying to the thief : “ To- 
day shalt thou be with me in paradise”; and St. Paul says : “Absent from 
the body, present with the Lord.” Stephen, we are told, “ looked up stead- 
fastly into Heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the 
right hand of God.” And how do we know that, when disembodied, we may 
not see the whole universe of being ? I do not say that we shall, but where 
is the argument to prove that we shall not ? 
The Chairman. — But that would not be contrary to Mr. English’s views. 
Mr. Graham. — I think it would ; because if we saw the universe, we 
should see the revolution of the orbs, which would give us the idea of the 
lapse of time. Does the Pneuma retain memory ? because, if so, it brings back 
to us the past with our experience of the sequence of events, and of the lapse 
of time. Will not the spirit be conscious of time past as differing from the 
present ? Then, again, how do we measure time, or know of its existence ? 
Not so much by the revolution of the heavenly bodies, as by our own mental 
acts and emotions. We feel and think, and just as we feel and just as we think 
we have a consciousness of the lapse of time. Time appears to us long or 
short according to the strength and number of our emotions and thoughts. 
(Cheers.) 
Eev. J . H. Titcomb. — In the first place, I should like to adduce one 
argument against Mr. Gosse’s view, namely, that the word “Pneuma,” or spirit, 
simply has reference to the regenerated condition of man. In addition to 
the quotations given by Mr. Graham, I call to mind that text in the book of 
Ecclesiastes in which, speaking of death generally, it is said “ the spirit shall 
return unto God who gave it” — the Pneuma ( ruach ), implying that all 
created mankind possess the Pneuma (ruach) ; and that that is an essential 
and conditional part of man, which, after death, is disintegrated from the 
body, and goes to its rest. Then I should like to say one or two words with 
respect to the controversy opened by Mr. Row, namely, as to how far reason, as 
