SOUTHERN CULTIVATOR. 
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received a specimen of the fruit from W. H. Thur- 
mond, Esq., at the Macon Fair, in 1852, and on reference 
to my note book of that date I find him credited with the 
Qescription 1 gave. 
I shall not be disappointed if it eventually turns out that 
the origin of the Mangum is at Montgomery, Ala., for there 
is a very striking resemblance between it and that known 
as the Carter Apple of that place, which is known to be 
an Indian seedling of very ancient date. As I have both 
the Mangum and Carter Apple grafted upon the same tree, 
I shall hope, in time, to be able to decide as to their iden- 
tity. 
I truly sympathise with our friend “Windsor,” in his 
bad success in cultivating and maturing his apples, and 
have little doubt I can add a speck of encouragemen to his 
despondency, as I think, from some hints he has inadver- 
tantly dropped, that if he persists in the course he is at 
present pursuing he will in the end be surprised at his 
own success, and laugh at the times past when he had the 
blues in relation to his failures. 
From what he says, I infer that his trees are jmung, 
vigorous, healthy and making annually a fine growth of 
wood ; well, if so, just keep them at it, for you are on the 
right course and no mistake about it; onljr do not expect 
too much and too fast from your oung trees ; they are do- 
ing all they can for you now, and in time will put you to 
the blush, in the return they will then give in good fruit. 
Now, their whole force and power is employed in making 
w’ood and trying to grow up to manhood, and as the wood 
making force or power, is antagonistic to the fruit mak- 
ing force or power, consequently, as they are making 
wood vigorously they are making poor fruit. When your 
U-ees become a few years older and larger, they- will find it 
more difficult to get a supply of food from the soil in which 
they grow; the consequence then will be, they will make 
short spurs and fruit buds in the place of long thrifty 
shoots, give you instead of the fruit that was without fla- 
vor, and which mostly rotted before or shortly after ripen- 
ing, an abundant crop of fair, large and good flavored 
fruit. 
I will here give an instance at point to sustain what I 
say ; — The young trees of the Nickojack or Siwunerou?- 
Apple uniformly produce fruit tliat is liable to rot either 
upon the tree or soon after being gathered, whilst that upon 
older trees is fair and solid, and will keep until May and 
June following. 
If our friend “W^indsor” wishes to test this theory, I 
will say to him, that if he will clear away the earth from 
about the roots of one of his trees next spring and cut 
about one half of them off and return the earth again, he 
will artificially produce that result : the tree then having 
lost a portion of its means of producing food necessary for 
making wood, will, rather than do nothing, prepare for 
producing a crop of fruit by making spurs and fruit 
buds. 
I would here, however, wish it to be distinctly under- 
stood that I only advise this as an experiment by way of 
illustrating the foregoing principle. Your proper plan is to 
encourage as rapid and vigorous a growth as possible in the 
shortest time possible. When you have done this, you 
nave done your part. If your trees then do not do their 
part, cut them down — we shall not fear it, how'ever. 
I have seen the Shockleij Apple from medium to large 
i^ze, and which w'ould rank as nearly best. 
The principal recommendation of the Apple is its 
great size and good keeping quality. In flavor, it will 
only rank as good. 
Pound or Amg.— Here you have me. I am well acquaint- 
ed with three distinct apples bearing the name of Pound 
and the name of King. The one I conceive to be the true 
King is a very large flat red apple, ripening in October 
and keeping but a short time, it is, however, of first-rate 
quality, and I will, without heritation, write it down in tke- 
class, best. It is also known by two or three other names 
Had I not spun out this article too long already to 
prove interesting to the readers of the Cv.ltivutor, I would 
say something in relation to the method of keeping fruit.? 
in our Southern climate. I will only say, in conclusion, 
that those who wish to keep fruit sound, fresh, juicy and. 
without rotting, must not expect to do so by placing it in 
closets and common rooms in their houses; it will answer 
at the North but not at the South. At some future tune i 
will give my views and experience on that subject. 
Why can we not get up a Pomological Society this 
summer'? I would suggest that we call a meeting of our 
Pomologists at Athens on the week of the commencement 
of Franklin College. 
My reasons for selecting Athens is, there is a larger 
variety of fruits to be found at that place than at any other 
in the State, which would greatly aid in the deliberations- 
of the Society; and my reasons for selecting Commence- 
ment Week is, that large numbers congregate there at that 
time who would not come at any other, and who v. ould 
bring specimens of fruits, and cuttings with them, which 
it would be impracticable to see, procure and distribute at 
any other time. What say you, Messrs. Editors'? 
J. Y.\n Bures, 
ClarksviUe, Go..., May, 1856. 
[We say, go ahead ! and herewith issue a call to all the 
Pomologists of Georgia and the adjoining States — amateur 
and professional — to be and appear at Athens, Ga., at 
College|Commencement, on the 6th day of August, 1856 j, 
(‘armed and equipped” with fruit and fruit buds of all the 
choicest varieties : and prepared both to give and receive 
all possible information on this most attractive and im- 
portant subject. See regular call in another column.— 
Eds, So. Cult.] 
HOLLY APPLE-EEPLY TO “WINESOE.” 
Editors Southern Cultiv.^tor — Tn the June number 
of your excellent periodical an article over the signature 
of “Windsor” intimates that the “Holly” apple, which I 
described in your March number, “may be identical wit:, 
the IMangum, as in other respects it seems a good deal to 
resemble the Mangum.” As this intimation touches me 
as a nurseryman, professionally, I must reply. You 
know, Messrs. Editors, how anxious I am to correct er- 
rors in our Pomological nomenclature, that it certainly 
would seem strange if I should recommend a well known 
variety as the Mangum or Seago apple under a new' 
name. Forty years of my life (the last nine of them ir. 
Georgia) were devoted to the study ofHorticulture ; but 
regi’et (not blushing, however,) to say that I have not yet 
been able to find out what “Windsor” learned by sever, 
year’s experience, viz: tlie resemblance in the description 
of these two apples. It may be, then, that the quality of 
their “keeping until March” would seem to him a sufficient 
reason for considering them identical. 
The Mangum or Seago apple is raised in abundance,, 
as well as in perfection in this section, and it is certainly 
not difficult to “catch one mature and well ripened,” for 
they are generally very fine. Indeed, “Windsor” must, 
as you say, have been very unfortunate in his search for 
apples,^or have some prejudice against Southern varieties, 
as he is also running down the “Shockley” apple, which, 
by competent judges, is always considered a fine winter 
apple, and deservedly so. I would inform “Windsor,' 
that the “Holly” apple has taken its name after Mr. Hot.lv 
of Georgia, on whose plantation it was found amongst 
hundreds of worthless seedlings. 
There is, however, reason to believe, that the “Carter’ 
