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recreations, suche as owre Playes weare, whatsoever is rather ob- 
iected, then proved, to the contrarye. AH paynym and heathen 
iudgment, I have answered in the defence of my first reason, as 
for the ffathers and Cowncells, beeinge rightly vnderstoode, their 
forces are not bent agaynst vs. S. Cyprian 1 most eloquently, and 
godly, inveyethe agaynst the abuses of the Tragicke buskin in 
his tyme. so he dothe also in the same place, agaynst the evles 
of warr, of Judgment seates, of Judges, of Aduocates, of gowlde, 
and riches, shall we therfor conclude, there should be no warr, 
no trybunalls, no Judges, no advocates, no goulde, no riches; 
and likewise no Tragicke buskin in any sorte? no dowte the ffathers, 
as holy men of God, bothe in their Councells, and in their bookes, 
have decreed, and written, many zelous and most godly thinges, 
agaynst the theatrycall sightes of their tymes. but distinguisshe 
the tymes, the places, the qualytyes of the sightes and actors, 
and the vse, from the abuse; and it is evydent, by that which is 
sayde before, that we, and owre Playes are not reproched by them. 
And therfor I have not done the Vniuersytye wronge, in producinge 
the iudgment therof, to the approovinge of owre Playes. for 
thoughe, as you wryte 1 2 there weare some which weare not present , 
because thay disallowed them , some disallowed them , that weare 
present; yet, bothe thes putt together, if the greater parte may 
denomynate the whole, which did with their hartye applause 
approve them, I might withowte wronge, I ame sure, to the bodye 
of the Vniuersytye , <*p. 63> demand of Momus , Academiae tu 
iudicia nihili facisl which question, I saye agayne, I asked not 
you, or any man ells, whome you meane by Vs, but Momus only; 
the offendinge of whome, I see no reason, why we, or any should 
greatly esteeme of, or regarde, for my selfe, I may trulye saye, 
that I never requested any man to owre Playes; neyther did I 
neede; thay woulde cu/nme without biddinge, or sendinge for, 
more, and faster then somtyme we would willingely thay shoulde 
have donne. muche lesse needed thay to be pressed to them , with 
greate importunytye. I beshrowe them that did byd suche ghestes, 
whose roomthes, had byn better then their cumpanyes.-for of all 
men, I woulde thay that dislike Playes, had not byn at owres; at 
leste, I woulde thay had more truly, and more charitably, for 
1 Gager’s side-note: Ep. 1. 2. ep. 2. 
2 The more sorie am I, that you conclude your answere to this and all the 
former reasons with alleaging the iudgement of our Uniuersitie; [Side-note, 
from Momus, line 202: Academiae tu judicia nihili facis?] yea, with asking 
vs, whether we set nothing by it. Wherein first you doe the Vniuersitie wrong, 
in charging the body thereof with allowing that, which some were not present 
at, because they disallowed it, some disallow it who were present: as in part 
I knowe by a graue learned man, your good friend and mine, who shewed me 
his dislike of the representation of a [p. 26] morousnes and drunkennes, in 
Rivales both; the former, not in Rivales onely. [ Overthrow , pp. 25-26.] 
