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JOURNAL OF HORTICULTURE AND G011AGE GARDENER. 
[ February 26, 1885. 
the only proper ones to arrange all the details therein.” The arrange¬ 
ment of external and internal details of vineries as recommended by me 
at pp. 24 and 26 certainly do answer my purpose, and, so far as the 
fixing of the hot-water p ; pes goes at any rate, that of a great many more 
besides, though, as Mr. Molyneux remarks and shows, it may not “ p’ease 
everybody.” I have not the slighted objection to anything I write being 
criticised or to being called upon to defend any expressed views. Mr. 
Molyneux says, “ What I said about arranging the pipes (sleeper-wise) 
was with the idea of advising persons to guard against the attacks of 1 red 
sinder.’” It is out of consideration for this troublesome insect that he 
objects to bot-water pipes being fixed as recommended by me and prac¬ 
tised by mo-t of the leading horticultural builders with the consent of the 
gardeners in charge. His reasoning on this subject I am afraid is calcu¬ 
lated to lead the inexperienced fruit-grower to the erroneous conclusion 
that it is the manner in which the hot-water pipes are fixed in vineries, 
and not the growing therein of Strawberries or French Beans, together 
with the management cr mismanagement, which causes red spider to 
attack the foliage. It would a'so appear that in order to prevent the 
ravages of this pest it is only necessary to distribute the pipes in the 
manner he describes. He very rightly “considers prevention in most 
cases to be better than cure.” Though unmindful of this admission and 
of his commendable dread of the attacks of red spider, and also by way of 
justifying his expressed preference for a cement pathway in vineries, 
he recommends that shelves on which to grow Strawberries and French 
Beans be suspended from the hip roof, concluding that this, together 
with the training of climbing plants—perhaps affected with mealy bug— 
up the back wall would serve a better purpose than furnishing the same 
with Vines. 
. reference to the use of liquid manure in evaporating troughs of the 
pipes to prevent the spread, if not the attack, of red spider, and at the 
same time benefiting the Vines, as explained at p. 113,1 need scarcely say 
that there is no mystery about its application from the time the Vines 
ftart into growth until (he Grapes commence colouring, except while the 
Grapes are in flower, when the ammonia arising therefrom might have an 
injurious effect. 1 hough Mr. Molyneux seems to doubt the efficacy of 
liquid manure thus employed, he makes use of it as a weapon of defence by 
saying that a greater number of troughs could be used on the pipes 
under the system advocated by himself, and that the ammonia arising 
from the liquid manure would be more equalised over the house in con¬ 
sequence. True, but according to his own showing there should be no 
occasion for using this red spider antidote, as the system which he advo¬ 
cates would appear to be an all-sufficient remedy against tbe attack of 
red spider. But I should think this supposition is more imaginary than 
real.— H. W. Ward. 
CHRYSANTHEMUM GOSSIP FROM FRANCE. 
In an article under the above heading which appeared in the Journal of 
Horticulture of the 12th inst. reference was made by me to tbe Inter¬ 
national ballot in favour of the Chrysanthemum instituted by the Horti¬ 
cultural So nety of Chalons. 
The ballot was duly carried through, and, having just received the 
monthly offi ial report of the Society, I find the result of the ballot set 
out in it. It will be remembered that voters were to select the names of 
wliat they considered to be the best fifty varieties, and the following is a 
list of those Chrysanthemums elected in the order in which the votes were 
given :— 
TriomphedelaRue des Chalets 
Erectum Superbum 
Gloire Rayonnaute 
Source d’Or 
Laciniatum 
Fair Maid of Guernsey 
M. Planchenau 
Bras Rouge 
M. Fremy 
Mme. Clbmeuce Audiguier 
Yellow Dragon 
La Charmsuse 
La Frisure 
Souvenir de la Reine Mercedes 
La Vierge 
Pink Perfection 
L’Automne 
Soeur Melanie 
Marguerite Marrouch 
Perle des Beaut es 
Fee Rageuse 
Pere Delaux 
L’lle des Planus 
Timbale d’Argent 
Belle Paule 
William Bull 
,, I n d ° P ro P ose to . make any observation on the above list except that 
the Committee have given us a list of fifty-one varieties instead of fifty ; 
but this no doubt is a printer’s error, considering that “ they order these 
things better in France.” 
Before concluding I might do worse than draw attention of English 
c italoguers to the careful manner in which the names have been spelled 
there being (so far as I am aware) in the original French list before me 
, y , e trifling orthographical errors, which are corrected in the 
above list.— A Lambeth Amateur. 
Royal Soleil 
Perle des Blanches 
M. Moussillac 
Marechal Soult 
M. Roux 
Richard Larios 
Alexandre Dufour 
Fabian de Mediana 
M. Crousse 
L’lnfante d’Espagne 
Dr. Audigubr 
Flamme de Punch 
Aimd Ferriere 
L’lncomparable 
Reine Margot 
M. Delaux 
M. Castex 
Empress of India) 
Mdlle! Cabrol 
Ladv Selbo ne 
M. Elie 
Dr. Masters 
M. Astorg 
M. Patrolin 
French Erection of Chrysanthemums. —Having been asked by 
the Secretary of our National Chrysanthemum Society to fill up a voting 
paper for the election of Chrysanthemums at Chalon sur-Saone, France, 
under the auspices of the Horticultural Society of thattown, I did my best 
to give a fairly representative list of fifty of the best Chrysanthemums as 
grown in this country. In the absence of any instructions to guide one in 
making a choice of varieties, the request being simply to name the fifty 
best Chrysanthemums, I selected twenty-five Incurved and twenty-five 
Japanese, making the selection principally from our standard exhibition 
varieties, but including a few popular sorts, as Mrs. George Rundle, 
Elaine, Golden George Glenny, &o., which would perhaps not be entitled 
to quite such a high position in a list of strictly exhibition varieties. The 
result of this election or plebiscite will, I think, rather astonish some of 
our Chrysanthemum exhibitors. The following are the names given in by 
myself : — 
Incurved. 
Alfred Salter 
Barbara 
Empress of India 
Golden Empress of India 
Golden George Glenny 
Hero of Stoke Newington 
Jardin des Plantes 
Jeanne d’Arc 
John Salter 
Lady Hardinge 
Lord Alcester 
Lord Wolseley 
Mr. Bunn 
Mrs. George Rundle 
Mrs. W. Shipman 
Mrs. Heale 
Nil Desperandum 
Prince Alfred 
Prince of Wales 
Princess of Teck 
Princess Beatrice 
Princess of Wales 
Queen of England 
Refulgence 
White Venus 
Japanese. 
Album Plenum 
Balmoreau 
Baronne de Prailly 
Boule d’Or 
Comte de Germiny 
Comtesse de Beauregarde 
Criterion 
Elaine 
Fair Maid of Guernsey 
Fanny Boucharlat 
Flamme de Punch 
Japonais 
Jeanne Delaux 
Madame C. Audiguier 
Madlle. Lacroix 
Marguerite Marrouch 
Meg Merrilees 
M. Ardene 
M. Astorg 
M. Burnet 
M. Tarin 
Mrs. Mahood 
Soleil Levant 
Thunberg 
Triumph de la Rue des Chalets 
The number of voters is not given. There would have been probably 
30 or 40, out of which possible number we find Madame C. Audiguier 
gets 17 votes, Flamme de Punch 11, and Marguerite Man-ouch 14, whereas 
Gloire Rayonante gets 22, Laciniatum 20, Bras Rouge and M. Fremy IS each. 
What does Mr. Molyneux say to this opinion of M. C. Audiguier? Then 
looking at Incurved varieties we find only eight mentioned at all, 
Souvenir de la Reine Mercedes heading the list with 15 votes, our Empress 
of India gaining only 9. Of the fifty varieties voted by myself, only 
eight have the honour of being mentioned at all. 
After the reports received of the grand Chrysanthemum Show held at 
Chalon-sur-Saone last autumn we should have looked for better results, 
especially from the neighbourhood where so many of our fine varieties 
have been raised.—N. Davis, Camberwell. 
[Mr. Davis also sends an elec'ion list similar to that given by “A 
Lambeth Amateur,” except that the number of votes is given in each 
case, varying from 25 for the first to 9 for the la-t. It will be observed 
that the election was for “ the best” Chrysanthemums, no distinction 
being made between Incurved and Japanese, and the resu’ts appear of 
little value to English cultivators.] 
FORCING HYBRID PERPETUAL ROSES IN POTS. 
Roses are always highly appreciated, and perhaps in a greater 
degree when forced into bloom during the winter and spring 
months than at any other period of the year. Rose culture in 
pots has extended with great rapidity during the past few years, 
and perhaps there never was a pe iod in the annals of lxorticu 1 - 
ture when so many persons were engaged in px-oducing Rose 
blooms early in the season at at the present time. This needs 
no proof, but the fact cannot be overlooked that many attempt 
forcing Roses and fail, ] artia'ly destroying their plants, and this 
more from an insufficiency of knowledge than for the want of 
accommodation. 
No attempt should be made to force a Hybrid Perpetual or 
any other Rose that is not thoroughly established in its pot, for 
all attempts to obtain success under these conditions will prove 
futi'e. Many pot plants in autumn or winter and force them 
into bloom the following spring, which not only proves disap¬ 
pointing, but is the cause of large numbers of plants being 
ruined annually. Plants potted in autumn, even if done early, are 
not in a fit state for forcing; the growth will be weak, and the 
flowers, if any are produced, will be small and worthless. This 
is not all, for the health of the plants will be destroyed, necessi¬ 
tating potting another batch of plants for the following sea¬ 
son to meet the same fate, unless a sacrifice is made for one 
season until the plants are thoroughly estab'ished in their pots. 
To grow Roses well in pots and to give the plants a fair chance, 
they 'should be potted in early autumn and grown through 
