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way. Indeed the whole appearance of the Vine from then until now 
indicates unimpaired energies, and last midsummer no one could have 
told it had ever lost a drop of “ blood.” I had a drink of this latter, 
and it gave me the impression of being water, pure and refreshing. 
Some of it which was put into quart bottles, corked up, and kept for 
•a time, never changed in character. 
“ Non-Believer ” (page 80) speaks very boldly all at once ; but why 
did not he take the matter up when I asked your readers to predict 
what would be the result of our Vine losing so much sap ? We should 
have known by this time how much his teachings were worth on the 
subject. He sees from “Comber’s” note that I do not believe Vines 
are injured by bleeding, and armed with this knowledge of my opinions, 
he puts forth what he terms a challenge on the matter ; but this only 
•corresponds with the hackneyed phrase indulged in further on—“If they 
•decline the challenge, I and others of your readers will no doubt form 
•our own opinions,” and “ I never saw . . . and never knew anybody 
cither who did,” are expressions used by some writers in every gardening 
paper where they could get them in for the last twenty years, but now 
they only provoke a smile. Are they inserted for the amusement of 
-readers 1 —J. Muir, Marqavi Park. 
The Vines here were planted in the spring of 1881 in borders inside 
—viz., old Pine pits, as stated exactly by Mr. Challis on page 36, only 
these pits are divided by a 4^-inch brick wall, so that at any time one 
part could be renewed without disturbing the other. The Vines in one 
part of the pit received 680 gallons of water previous to starting them 
this year, the other half had 170 gallons, both in the same house. The 
lirst commenced bleeding (and are bleeding still) the same day as 
watered ; the others show no signs of bleeding. This I have tested two 
years, and must, I should say, prove that the watering helps the bleeding ; 
but if this lost sap, or water, has no nourishment for the coming foliage, 
and that is only supported by stored-up sap till the Vines commence 
making fresh roots, we may rest content that it is doing no harm, but I 
have always seen it in another light. The Vines in question have exceeded 
•our expectation, and have been cropped from the first. I have seen no 
great difference in the crop as yet, bleeding or no bleeding ; but this year 
I may be able to form a better opinion, as I am watching this closely 
and other treatment from the time of planting.— Black Prince. 
ELECTION OF CARNATIONS AND PICOTEES. 
THE ELECTORS’ RETURNS. 
[The names of the raisers of the varieties in the following lists have been given in 
the previous returns.] 
From Mr. THOS. MADDOCK, gardener to J. Ramskill, Esq., Lofthouse Hall, Wakefield. 
CARNATIONS. 
ScMrlet Bizarres. 
Admiral Curzon 
Jno. Hines 
Mars 
George 
Edward Adams 
Mercury 
Crimson Bizarres. 
J. D. Hextall 
Harrison Weir 
Eccentric Jack 
Jenny Lind 
Master Fred 
William Murray 
Pink and Purple Bizarres. 
Sarah Payne 
Squire Llewelyn 
Falconbridge 
Stanley Hudson 
Unexpected 
James Taylor 
Purple Flakes. 
Squire Meynell 
Mayor of Nottingham 
Squire Trow 
James Douglas 
Dr. Foster 
Juno 
Scarlet Flakes. 
Sportsman 
Clipper 
Annihilator 
Dan Godfrey 
Thomas Tcmes 
Bayley’s Junior 
Rose Flakes. 
Sybil 
James Merryweather 
Mrs. Dodwell 
John Keet 
George Henry 
Electric Light. 
PICOTEES. 
Heavy Purple-edged. 
Zerlina 
Mrs. A. Chs*ccllor 
Tiunie 
Mrs. Nivens 
Mr3. Lord 
Isabel 
Light Purple-edged. 
Her Majesty 
Ann Lord 
Master Nichols 
Minnie 
Clara Penson 
Alice 
Heavy Red-edged. 
John Smith 
Brunette 
Emily 
J. B. Bryant 
Master Norman 
Miss Small 
Light Red-edged. 
Thomas William 
Elsie Grace 
Violet Douglas 
Mrs. Gorton 
Sarah Elizabeth 
Mrs. Bowers 
Heavy Rose or Scarlet-edgrd. 
Mrs. Rudd 
Lady Holmesdale 
Edith Dombrain 
Miss Horner 
Miss Lee 
Louise 
Light Rose or Scarlet-cdged. 
Miss Wood 
Mrs. Adams 
Mrs. Allcroft 
Nellie 
Thomas Fleming 
Morning Star 
From Mr. GEOEGE RUDD, UndercliSe, Bradford. 
CARNATIONS. 
Scarlet Bizarres. 
Admiral Curzon 
Arthur Medhurst 
Edward Adams 
George 
Fred 
Mercury 
Crimson Bizarres. 
Master Fred 
J. D. Hextall 
John Simonite 
Eccentric Jack 
Rifleman 
Harrison Weir 
CARNATIONS.—Contih tied. 
Pink and Purple Bizarres. 
Falconbridge 
Sarah Payne 
James Taylor 
William Murray 
William Skirviug 
Squire Llewelyn 
Scarlet Flakes. 
Sportsman 
Clipper 
Annihilator 
Dan Godfrey 
John Ball 
Thomas Tomes 
Purple Flakes. 
Dr. Foster 
James Douglas 
Squire Meynell 
Florence Nightingale 
Mayor of Nottingham 
Sporting Lass 
Rose Flakes. 
John Keet 
James Merry weatiier 
Mrs. Dodwell 
Sybil 
Lovely Ann 
Electric Light 
PICOTEES. 
Heavy Red-edged. 
John Smith 
J. B. Bryant 
Lord Valentia 
Master Norman 
Dr. Abereromhie 
Morn a 
Heavy Purple-edged. 
Zerlina 
Alliance 
Mrs. A. Chancellor 
Tiunie 
Lizzie Tomes 
Isabella 
Light Red-eclged. 
Thomas William 
Elsie Grace 
Sarah Elizabeth 
Violet Douglas 
Mrs. Rower 
Clara 
Light Purple-edged. 
Ann Lord 
Minnie 
Mary 
Clara Penson 
Master Nichols 
Her Majesty 
Heavy Rose or Scarlet-edged. 
Mrs. Payne 
Mies Horner 
Mrs. Rudd 
Fanny Helen 
Lady Holmesdale 
Lady Louisa 
Light Rose or Soar let-edged. 
Mrs. Allcioft 
Miss Wood 
Miss Gorton 
Fairy Queen 
Nellie 
Mrs. Adams 
From Mr. S. Hartley, Leeds. 
CARNATIONS. 
Scarlet Bizarres. 
Admiral Curzon 
Arthur Medhurs* 
Fred 
George 
John Hine3 
Mars 
Sir J. Paxton 
Pink and Purple Bizarres. 
Falconbridge 
James Taylor 
Purity 
Rev. F. Tymons 
Sarah Payne 
Stanley Hudson 
Scarlet Flakes. 
Clipper 
Dan Godfrey 
John Ball 
Mr. Battersby 
Sportsman 
Thomas Tomes 
William Mellor 
Crimson Bizarres. 
Eccentric Jack 
Graceless Tom 
John Harland 
John Simonite 
Lord Milton 
The Lamplighter 
Purple Flakes. 
Blue Bell 
Dr. Foster 
James Douglas 
Lord Derby 
Mayor of Nottingham 
Squire Meynell 
Rose Flakes. 
James Merryweather 
Lovely Aun 
Mrs. Matthews 
Mrs. Tomes 
Sybil 
PICOTEES. 
Heavy Red-edged. 
J. B. Bryant 
John Smith 
Master Norman 
Mrs. Fuller 
Princess of Wales 
Lord Valentia 
Heavy Purple-edged. 
Alliance 
Lizzie Tomes 
Tinnie 
Zerlina 
Mrs. A. Chancellor 
Heavy Rore and Scarlet-edged. 
Charles Williams 
Edith Dombrain 
Fanny' Hellen 
Juliana 
Lady Homesdale 
Light Rose-edged . 
Mrs. Bower 
Mrs. Hornby 
Rev. F. D. Horner 
Thomas William 
Thomas Jivens 
Violet Douglas 
Light Purple-edged. 
Ann Lord 
Her Majesty 
Clara Penson 
Master Nichols 
Minnie 
Light Rose and Scarlet-edged. 
Miss Wood 
Fairy Queen 
Mrs. Allcroft 
Morning Star 
Bertha 
FERNS AND THEIR CULTIVATION. 
(Continued from page 103.) 
I believe good leaf soil will suit any Fern as well as peat, and 
in the case of Adiantums will not be so injurious. Take for instance 
that queen of the genus A. farleyense. I remember when A. farley- 
ense was new, and small plants were selling at from 20s. to 30s. 
each, we had several in splendid condition growing in strong loam, 
leaf soil, and sand. A gentleman who had seen our plants went to 
a nursery a few miles from Manchester and saw some very miserable- 
looking plants in declining health, and remarked to the proprietor 
about their want of vigour. “ Oh,” said he, “ farleyense is no use, 
