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from amongst tlicmselves after the general business at the annual 
meeting. 
MEETINGS. 
The annual general meeting shall be held in December of each year 
to receive the report of the General Committee, for the election of 
officers, Committees, and the transaction of any other important 
business. 
The General Committee shall hold at least two meetings, and the 
Executive Committee shall meet as often as necessary, in each year. The 
Executive Committee to decide the dates and places for all meetings 
and conferences. 
NEW ROSES. 
Of the new Roses sent out this and last year I have grown the 
following in sufficient quantities, and with sufficiently close daily 
observation, to offer the following remarks upon them, in case it may 
interest some of the readers of “ our Journal.” 
Teas. — Chateau des Bergeries, Dr. Grill, Duchesse de Bragance, 
Luciole, Madame A. Etienne, Madame Honore Defresne, Madame 
Scipion Cochet, Mdlie. Elizabeth de Gramont, Princess Beatrice, Ye 
Primrose Dame, The Bride, Duchesse d’Auerstadt, Madame Hoste, 
Madame Joseph Godier, Mdlie. Henriette de Bauvan, and Princess de 
Sagan. 
Hybrid Teas .—Madame Joseph Desbois, Madame Carle, and Mdlie. 
Germain Caillot. 
Chateau de Bergeries .—Fairly vigorous in growth; the flower a 
pleasing, clear, palish yellow, but opens badly out of doors; with me 
not very satisfactory. 
Dr. Grill.—A good healthy grower; flower very pleasing in calm, 
bright weather, well-formed, opens well, fairly large in size, and is a 
pleasing garden Rose of salmon rose colour. 
Duchesse de Bragance .—A moderately vigorous grower, free bloom¬ 
ing, well formed, nearly globular flower of good medium size, clear 
Australian gold colour, rather paler on outer petals; under glass, say 
for March blooming, I have a good opinion of and value this Rose, 
then very pretty and an acquisition. 
Luciole .—A most unique, msthetic kind of Rose; most distinct 
flower; a mixture of carmine, rose, yellow and fawn ; fairly vigorous 
grower and free blooming; best under glass, and will, I think," be a 
good forcer; bud long, flower double, petals rather weak. 
Madame A. Etienne. —Fairly good grower and bloomer ; flower fine, 
distinct form ; colour clear, pale, rosy pink with whitish base of petals ; 
not so good a Rose as I at one time expected. 
Madame Ilonore Defresne .—A good vigorous grower; flower full 
and rather large ; colour deep clear yellow; outer petals reddish ; opens 
badly. 
Madame Scipion Cochet .— I think this is perhaps the best open 
ground Tea of the French Roses of last year, good grower, fairly free 
bloomer; flower large', well formed, opens well; and reminds me some¬ 
thing of Princess of Wales in form and colouring. 
Mdlie. Elizabeth de Gramont .—Seems a dwarf descendant of Gloire 
de Dijon, but quite different in colour, being bright reddish rose with 
yellow ; good dwarf; healthy grower of stout wood and short joints. 
Princess Beatrice. — A splendid Rose under glass, excellent for 
forcing; most lasting flower, and beautiful clear yellow, then good 
grower and healthy; not so good in the open with me. 
Ye Primrose Dame .—Moderately vigorous grower, best under glass; 
pretty well formed flower; pale yellow in centre, nearly white outer 
petals. 
The Bride .— The best and most beautiful Tea since Catherine 
Mermet, of which it is in every way a fac-simile, except in colour, which 
is a white with yellowish tinge; splendid. 
Duchesse d'Auerstadt. - My plants of this have grown so strongly I 
have seen no flower shcots as thick as my little finger, and 6 feet long, 
chocolate red coloured shoots and leaves; a strong climber evidently. 
Madame Iloste .—The best French Tea of this year in my opinion, 
and a decided acquisition ; good healthy grower, flower deep petalled, 
large, and moderately full, opens well, blooms freely, colour whitish, 
with yellow at base of petals at times. 
Madame Joseph Godier. —This is something like Dr. Grill, and not 
remarkable in any way, but a pleasing garden Rose. 
Mdlie. Henriette de Bauvan. — This seems to me as if it might be a 
seedling of Madame Eugene Verdier Tea, growth in shoots and flowers 
remind me strongly of that Rose. So far I canr ot say I expect great 
things of this last Rose of Lacharme, but I hope it may turn out better 
than I now expect. 
Princess de Sagan .—This Rose seems to me merely a crimson China, 
both in growth and flower. The colour is a rich deep shaded velvety 
crimson, but I have seen no flower larger or tetter than a flower of 
Eugime Beauharnais. 
Madame Joseph Desbois and Mdlie. Germain Caillot .—Very similar 
in the flower, which is very like that of Captain Christy. Rather 
uncertain growers I have found both of them ; but the flowers are 
beautiful, and I think both will appear on the exhibition table at 
times. 
Madame Carle. — A distinct, moderately vigorous, short-jointed 
grower ; flower almost like a Camellia, varying in colour from that of 
Cheshunt Hybrid to a much brighter colour and more velvety. The 
flower is only moderate in size, and it is only a garden Rose. 
So far as a few plants only will enable me to form the beginning of 
an opinion, I am much pleased with Miss Ethel Brownlow, and think 
anyone may venture to add that Rose to their list.—S. S. 
THE MANETTI STOCK. 
Mr. J. W. Murfhy in last week’s Journal asks for an explanation 
of some paradox which he imagines to lie in my note of 20th inst. in 
our Journal. I stated that in my opinion, derived from my personal 
experience, the Manetti is worse than useless, for if most Roses cannot 
live without it, they will not live with it in many soils. The meaning 
of this is, if many Roses cannot make roots of their own and thrive on 
them, such w.ll die soon on the Manetti in many soils. 
I also stated, I even think some good Roses have gone out of culti¬ 
vation chiefly through Manetti, and instanced Olivier Delhomme. and 
further stated Marie Baumann hates that stock. How often from 
many quarters do we hear of Marie Baumann as a poor “ miffy ” 
grower. Now, I say from experience, grow it on the Briar, and then 
decide. With me Olivier Delhomme, a splendid Rose, durable and 
healthy on the Briar, or even on own roots, is miffy and soon dies on 
Manetti. I named the above merely as instances. 
Prophesying is not at all in my way, but it is well to note the 
tendency of things, and I certainly think this is to discard the Manetti 
for whole classes of Roses by many good Rose-growers. Compare the 
present with fifteen years ago in this respect.—S. S. 
It is time Mr. Murphy learnt to take his part in an argument with¬ 
out throwing out insinuations against his opponents. His reference to 
my “ fertile imagination ” can only bear one translation. 
Mr. Murphy must know that insinuating that I draw on my “fertile 
imagination ” for my facts will not make the Manetti the proper stock 
to grow Roses on, if it is not so already. Your correspondent mentioned 
my name in this matter in the first instance, or I should not have made 
any reply. In his remarks on page 287 he mixes me up sadly with 
another correspondent, and seems to expect me to answer for both. 
He gives a quotation, “ Most Roses cannot live, except when budded on 
the Manetti,” and asks me what I think of it. In reply, “ I think it’s a 
mistake.” 
Now Mr. Murphy says all the chief prizes won by nurserymen are 
won with Roses grown on the Manetti. Possibly this is so, but I do not 
see how this affects what has been said by me. Page 262 : “ It is noto¬ 
rious that Roses on the Manetti make a grand growth, and bloom well 
the first year with the nurseryman.” Let us see what Mr. William Paul 
says : “ That the plants grow more vigorously the first year we do not 
deny, but their subsequent decline is also more rapid.”—(Page 156, 1881 
edition, “The Rose Garden.”) Let us see what Mr. B. R. Cant says : 
“ The Briar cutting is my own especial pet.”—(“ Rosarian’s Year Book, 
1888, page 20.) The Rev. Mr. Pemberton says, “As cutbacks I do not 
like them .... when pruned .... they lose heart, and break very 
feebly.—(“ Rosarian's Year Book,” 1888, page 22.) 
Mr. Murphy says that many thousands of the Roses he saw at 
Newtownwards were old plants. I am afraid he is mistaken here ; it 
does not pay nurserymen to keep Roses many years. I should like to 
know how many prize blooms are cut from over-year plants, not neces¬ 
sarily at Newtownwards, but in all the nurseries in the kingdom. If I 
made a guess I should say not one-thousandth part. They all, or nearly 
all, come from the maiden plants. 
I should like Mr. Murphy to tell me how many Roses he has alto¬ 
gether in his collection ; how many he has which are seven or eight 
years old ; and how large, or rather how small, his blooms are. 
The Manetti is most certainly unsuited to my soil. There is nothing 
like experience ; and if anybody will plant side by side Roses on the 
Manetti, and the same on the Briar, I am content to await the result. 
Mr. Murphy asks, “ Would the nurserymen combine to disappoint their 
customers ?” &c. In reply to this, I say I see no signs of combining 
among the nurserymen, neither can I see any wrong in growing Roses 
on the Manetti. The public buys them with its eyes open, and according 
to Mr. Murphy prefers them. 
Why Roses are grown on the Manetti:— 
1, Because Manetti cuttings are easily made, and strike more 
certainly than Briars. 
2, Because the sap runs earlier in the season, enabling budding to be 
commenced early, and continues running late, enabling budding to be 
extended far into autumn. 
3, Because this stock is much easier to bud than the Briar, and takes 
more surely. 
4, Because the Manetti makes splendid plants, and gives fine blooms 
the first year. 
5, Because they can be sold cheaper than Briar plants, which suits 
the public. 
The fact that Manetti Roses perish should not, in my opinion, be 
laid to the charge of the nurseryman. It is not his fault; he grows 
Roses on Manetti because his father did so before him, and he does not 
feel disposed to change. When the public demands Roses on the Briar, 
then the nurseryman will provide them.—D. Gilmour, Jcx. 
A discussion has been raised in the columns of the Journal upon 
