Dr. Houde: Just to respond a bit, I don't have a big 
argument with Bill, but I think there is a perception among a 
lot of the people, people involved in the fishing industry of 
the Chesapeake, that those people who are exploiting the re¬ 
source would strongly like to believe that it's only a water 
quality issue or at least that the water quality dominates the 
problem. 
It clearly is a big problem and the multiple changes that 
we've heard about today in the Bay quite likely have caused a 
lowering of the potential of productivity in the Bay. People 
involved in exploiting the resource are very reluctant to accept 
that the yields are no longer going to be as high as they were. 
So it's a people problem. 
Mr. Eichbaum: I agree with you, and that's why I want to 
talk about both issues at the same time. Sort of secretly at 
home at night the people that work at OEP would say, "If they 
just managed the fish right, we wouldn't have any problem.'' And 
the people at DNR sit there at night and say, "If you give me 
clean water, the fish will be fine." 
And that's what we've got to cut through, it seems to me. I 
think we've made some progress in the last couple of years in 
that regard. And I agree with you that the constituency groups 
have all different kinds of perspectives. But I want to go out 
... in fact, we're going to do this with one of the fishing 
associations in Maryland next month. Verna Harris from DNR and 
I are going to go out and talk about living resources and water 
quality and try and make them understand the relationship. 
Dr. D'Elia: One comment I have, it's sort of one of the 
institutional-political quirks we have with the way the system 
works. EPA is really charged mainly with the responsibility of 
taking care of the Chesapeake Bay, and EPA's orientation has 
typically been a water quality orientation, and nobody is 
faulting them on it. 
NOAA, on the other hand, and I'm not trying to be solicitous 
of them for putting the seminar on, is interested more in the 
resources aspects of things. But NOAA hasn't been terribly 
involved. So for that reason we haven't seen the kind of 
involvement with stock assessment and things that are so badly 
needed. Can EPA cover the role adequately of fisheries 
stewardship? 
Dr. Morris: Not really. I don't think so. It's not our 
charge, and we're going to be funded for it. But I think the 
fact that NOAA and Fish and Wildlife Service are all now 
involved, that should help in getting these programs together so 
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